General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Clayton Moore]

Funny, I was watching a YouTube video the other day. It was Ahmed Tibi, MD, who has been a member of the Knesset in Israel for around a decade,* maybe more, and he was addressing the Knesset on Yom ha-Shoah and telling the story of a woman who survived Auschwitz because, although she had been "chosen" by Mengele at the ramp when she got to Birkenau, one of Mengele's assistants, a Jew, prevented her from being killed by fudging her files. She was sent for labor instead. When they encountered each other years later in Israel, she hated the doctor for being a collaborator; it was only then that she found out he's saved her life. They got married.**

He too did not look the other way.

Others, like Myklos Nyszli (sp?) collaborated more or less, but under the threat of death, which evokes the question (yet again) of whether Clayton has ever had a gun to his head.




*To the chagrin of our resident Jew-haters, Israel remains among a small minority of countries with Arab populations of 20% or more in which those Arabs can actually vote and be represented in the government.

** After the video, Tibi was interviewed by Yair Lapid (who may go on to be PM of Israel someday), and he discussed the need for Palestinians to appreciate what the Jews have been through as a people to understand why they are so invested in Israel, noting as well two things: (1) It is wrong to compare what the Palestinians have been through to the Holocaust, as the Holocaust was infinitely worse; and (2) Nevertheless, it is the duty of the Israelis to appreciate what they have put the Palestinians through, as it's the only way to achieve peace. Tibi is a good, good man, of inestimable character. There should be more Israelis, Jews and Arabs both, like him.

The legacy of Holocaust liars is so vast and diverse it is doubtful the doc was doing anything but pursuing his lifetime achievement merit badge for lying to perpetuate the Holocaust scam.

http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-.../12/quotes-from-elie-wiesel-on-holocaust.html
http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/



http://exposing-the-holocaust-hoax-archive.blogspot.com/2009/09/fun-facts-holohoax-for-dummies.html

3. At the same time, the director of the Auschwitz State Museum Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war!

4. But there's more. The International Red Cross reported that less than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German camps died of all causes, including old age. And of these, barely more than half were Jews. Most of these died in several typhoid epidemics caused by wartime conditions, which claimed many lives — including those of doctors, nurses and camp administrative personnel!

5. But even these deaths were too much for the German authorities. On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs."

*** When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged ‘gassings,’ the response was universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946: "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them."

***** In his book Legend of Our Time, New York, 1982, The Weasel explained:"Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are — although they never occurred."

****** The monstrous lies of this Jewish psychopath succeeded in creating a climate of rabid, anti-German hate which led to the death of millions. Here is a typical example of the genocidal daily fare served up to Soviet troops, taken from an Oct. 1944 leaflet to the Red Army: "Kill! Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn. Follow the words of Comrade Stalin and crush the fascist beast in its lair. Break the racial pride of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you brave soldiers of the glorious Soviet army!"

 

[A'isha]

That's because they view and deal with all non Jews as sub human. The rules of social and legal fairness that non Jews lived by in Germany were out the window as far as German Jews were concerned. That's why Germany wanted them out of Europe.

Back up that claim or retract it, Clayton.

 

[Spui]

The monstrous lies of this Jewish psychopath succeeded in creating a climate of rabid, anti-German hate which led to the death of millions. Here is a typical example of the genocidal daily fare served up to Soviet troops, taken from an Oct. 1944 leaflet to the Red Army: "Kill! Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither the living nor the yet unborn. Follow the words of Comrade Stalin and crush the fascist beast in its lair. Break the racial pride of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you brave soldiers of the glorious Soviet army!"

One wonders what the effect of the slogan ''The Jews are our misfortune!'' was on the German military and secret police.

 

[Spui]

*** When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged ‘gassings,’ the response was universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946: "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them."

Where had they been imprisoned? And if they were inmates from Auschwitz: why should they have witnessed the gassings?

***** In his book Legend of Our Time, New York, 1982, The Weasel explained:"Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are — although they never occurred."

You fail to provide a context for this excerpt: of course, you do not fail to provide a snear.

 

[LemmyCaution]

One wonders what the effect of the slogan ''The Jews are our misfortune!'' was on the German military and secret police.

Or this guide to "how to tell a Jew" (especially for SnakeTongue, one supposes): http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story3.htm

Or a chapter from this book: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/esser.htm

Or Robert Ley's understated description of Jews as "the pestilential miasma of the world": http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/pesthauch.htm

Or this discussion guide to help Nazi activists spread the word: http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/sprech44a.htm

 

[Clayton Moore]

Where had they been imprisoned? And if they were inmates from Auschwitz: why should they have witnessed the gassings?




You fail to provide a context for this excerpt: of course, you do not fail to provide a snear.

What's a snear?

 

[LemmyCaution]

The legacy of Holocaust liars is . . .

Please give a reference for the source document on which the Website that you copied from based this statement:

But even these deaths were too much for the German authorities. On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention facilities, issued an order stating categorically: "The death rate in the camps must be reduced at all costs.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Back up that claim or retract it, Clayton.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

Ultra-Orthodox young men curse and spit at Christian clergymen in the streets of Jerusalem's Old City as a matter of routine. In most cases the clergymen ignore the attacks, but sometimes they strike back. Last week the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court quashed the indictment against an Armenian priesthood student who had punched the man who spat at him.

Johannes Martarsian was walking in the Old City in May 2008 when an young ultra-Orthodox Jew spat at him. Maratersian punched the spitter in the face, making him bleed, and was charged for assault. But Judge Dov Pollock, who unexpectedly annulled the indictment, wrote in his verdict that "putting the defendant on trial for a single blow at a man who spat at his face, after suffering the degradation of being spat on for years while walking around in his church robes is a fundamental contravention of the principles of justice and decency."

"Needless to say, spitting toward the defendant when he was wearing the robe is a criminal offense," the judge said.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...-off-Israeli-frustration-with-Jewish-zealotry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ixBASYA9c

 

[Wroclaw]

Back up that claim or retract it, Clayton.

I'll second that: Back it up or retract.

 

[BravesFan]

Your own article acknowledges this is a very small extremist wing. Yet you treat as confirmation that ALL Jews view non Jews as subhuman.


You have not proven your point.

 

[Wroclaw]

One wonders what the effect of the slogan ''The Jews are our misfortune!'' was on the German military and secret police.

More importantly, the lines attributed to Ilya Ehrenburg were never written by him.

 

[A'isha]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669

You are aware that Jerusalem is not in Germany, right?

 

[Wroclaw]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669




http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...-off-Israeli-frustration-with-Jewish-zealotry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ixBASYA9c

You wrote this: "That's because they view and deal with all non Jews as sub human. The rules of social and legal fairness that non Jews lived by in Germany were out the window as far as German Jews were concerned.:

The people to whom you link above were Orthodox Jews.

There were virtually no Orthodox Jews in Germany in 1933. It was the home of Reform Judaism, for one thing, not to mention an enormous number of Jews who were either completely nonobservant or who had converted to other faiths. More than half of the German Jews who married in 1932 married non-Jews.

Wanna try again, Einstein?

 

[Spui]

What's a snear?

A misspelling of ''sneer''. I'm glad to see you refuse to dodge the larger issue.

 

[Wroclaw]

Funny. I've been translating the book The Jerusalem of Lithuania by Mark Dworzecki for "a friend" (we'll say), and he was a doctor. So were many of his friends who didn't survive Vilna during the war. Either they were shot or they died in Klooga (in Estonia).

Two reasons I mention this:

(1) Several doctors are mentioned who decided to join the Judenrat and, in a sense, collaborate. One such doctor, Gershon Gershoni, argued that at least they'd have some control over their fates.

(2) Jerusalem is indeed not in Germany. It's in Lithuania.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Elizabeth Dole, president of the American Red Cross, and wife of former Sen. Bob Dole, said that the official death records from Auschwitz from Soviet Archives listed 70,000 deaths from all causes.

 

[Spui]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...on-old-city-clergymen-becoming-daily-1.393669




http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...-off-Israeli-frustration-with-Jewish-zealotry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ixBASYA9c

One would expect an Israeli judge to uphold the indictment if contempt for gentiles were an essential part of Judaism.

 

[abaddon]

What's a snear?

He clearly meant "sneer" as well you know. Everyone throws a typo from time to time. Address the substance, not the typo.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Please give a reference for the source document on which the Website that you copied from based this statement:

Reitlinger's book, The Final Solution.

 

[BravesFan]

The only place I find this red Cross Dole Holocaust stuff is at denier websites, got any independent evidnce for your claims?