Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

[dudalb]

I am not surprised that one of our resident Trump suppoters is also a David Irving fanboy.
And that Lipstadt has not been shy about showing her huge loathing for Trump is a factor with this guy as well.

 

[threadworm]

Actually there are some Holocaust Deniers who argue that the Jews were in fact a collective enemy of Germany and the world, as they were a collective Communist entity.

The old "Judea declares war on Germany" trope is frequently spewed.

I have long maintained that Holocaust denial is a product of its proponents' disappointment that it didn't happen as advertised. They aren't outraged at a hoax, they are furious because they think it didn't happen and they have been denied the piles of dead bodies they are desperate to see.

 

[Allen773]

Holocaust deniers are mad that there were survivors.

 

[Pacal]

In the late 50s and into the early 60s Willem Sassen, a Neo-Nazi living in Argentina, who knew Adolf Eichmann recorded many hours of interviews with him and eventually transcribed hundreds of pages of the interviews.

Eichmann denied that the transcripts were accurate renditions of what he said. And since the Prosecution was unable to get the recordings the Judges ignored the transcripts.

Recently,after a truly absurd series of events we finally get to hear them in any detail. In a new documentary.

We hear with Eichmann's own voice say crap like:

If we had killed 10.3 million Jews, I would say with satisfaction, ‘Good, we destroyed an enemy,'” Eichmann says in one of the recordings, referring to the total population of Jews in Europe at the time of the Second World War. “Then we would have fulfilled our mission.

There is also stuff about Jews being compared to flies etc.

These recording validate the accuracy of the transcripts.

Further this confirms that Eichmann was indeed a fanatical Anti-Semite and that he is a poor example of "The Banality of Evil".

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=b15bf6180200491ca05195ef03ddfaf9

Lets see Holocaust Deniers deal with this stuff right from the horses mouth so to speak.

 

[Hans]

In the late 50s and into the early 60s Willem Sassen, a Neo-Nazi living in Argentina, who knew Adolf Eichmann recorded many hours of interviews with him and eventually transcribed hundreds of pages of the interviews.

Eichmann denied that the transcripts were accurate renditions of what he said. And since the Prosecution was unable to get the recordings the Judges ignored the transcripts.

Recently,after a truly absurd series of events we finally get to hear them in any detail. In a new documentary.

We hear with Eichmann's own voice say crap like:


There is also stuff about Jews being compared to flies etc.

These recording validate the accuracy of the transcripts.

Further this confirms that Eichmann was indeed a fanatical Anti-Semite and that he is a poor example of "The Banality of Evil".

See:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=b15bf6180200491ca05195ef03ddfaf9

Lets see Holocaust Deniers deal with this stuff right from the horses mouth so to speak.

Won't they just say they were faked? I mean is there anyway to 'show' that it was E actually talking?

 

[Hercules56]

Won't they just say they were faked? I mean is there anyway to 'show' that it was E actually talking?

Eichmann was interviewed by a fellow SS Officer, long before he was captured by the Israelis.

He admitted to the gas chambers, the shooting pits, the "liquidation camps", Hitler's order to annihilate the Jewish people, the abandonment of the Madagascar Plan, the murder of at least 5 million Jews, the cremations, etc etc.

He acknowledges all of it, but claims he was only involved in the deportations.

He regrets nothing, says he was proud to do it.


interview starts on page 24 and continues on page 101.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0U0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

here is the 2nd part of the interview, and begins on page 146

http://books.google.com/books?id=90...er&rview=1&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Hans]

interview starts on page 24 and continues on page 101.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0U0EAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

here is the 2nd part of the interview, and begins on page 146

http://books.google.com/books?id=90...er&rview=1&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false

I read the first but the second link doesn't seem to work

 

[Hercules56]

I read the first but the second link doesn't seem to work

https://books.google.com/books/about/LIFE.html?id=900EAAAAMBAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Hans]

https://books.google.com/books/about/LIFE.html?id=900EAAAAMBAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Much appreciation for the link - a chilling story - just so casual and sickeningly 'gentlemanly' about mass murder.

I had never heard of the 10,000 truck episode. One thing he said, 'I had turned from a Saul to a Paul' I don't grasp this comparison.

 

[Hercules56]

Much appreciation for the link - a chilling story - just so casual and sickeningly 'gentlemanly' about mass murder.

I had never heard of the 10,000 truck episode. One thing he said, 'I had turned from a Saul to a Paul' I don't grasp this comparison.

I think this interview is ******* remarkable and such a valuable piece of history to have

 

[Hans]

I think this interview is ******* remarkable and such a valuable piece of history to have

I've sent it to a number of folks.

 

[zooterkin]

One thing he said, 'I had turned from a Saul to a Paul' I don't grasp this comparison.

It's a reference to the conversion of Saul to Saint Paul. Saul was persecuting the early Christians until he was converted by God, repented and became an evangelist. Eichmann is saying he could have said he repented of persecuting the Jews, but in fact he stands by his actions.

 

[Hans]

It's a reference to the conversion of Saul to Saint Paul. Saul was persecuting the early Christians until he was converted by God, repented and became an evangelist. Eichmann is saying he could have said he repented of persecuting the Jews, but in fact he stands by his actions.

Thanks!

 

[dudalb]

Someone once described Holocaust Denial of having two points
A.It Never Happened
B.And They Had It Coming To Them Anyway.

 

[Hercules56]

Someone once described Holocaust Denial of having two points
A.It Never Happened
B.And They Had It Coming To Them Anyway.

This is exactly what every Holocaust Denier in my experience has expressed: the Holocaust didn't happen but the Jews sure did deserve it.

 

[Pacal]

I have been re-reading Jeffrey Herf's The Jewish Enemy, Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, London, England, 2006 and in it is a plenitude of quotes from the German, Nazi, Press including the directives to the German press given by the Reich Press Chief Otto Dietrich.

A few quotes of the Press directives from a few pages of the above book.

The four apointees of world jewry, Churchill, Roosevelt (Jewish blood and first-degree Freemason), Stalin and Chiang Kai-shek, met in Tehran to activate their struggle for Jewry's world domination.

p. 237.

and

...the longer the war lasts, the more our struggle against Jewry must be intensified, so that the people recognize who truly the guilty pary for this war is..."

p. 237.

Also Goebbel's says in his diary:

...the Jews and friends of Churchill - which generally is the same thing - have all the news media, especially the newspapers, in their hands.

p. 239.

On january 30, 1944 Hitler in a an address to the nation said that a Soviet victory would result in:

...the complete extermination of the German nation ... and this goal is the openly pro-claimed intention of international Jewry!

p. 239.

In another directive of the Reich Press Office it refers to Jewish media power as that which:

...allows us to recognize the enormous international conspiracy of Jewry. It is the mission of the German press to present and describe this conspiracy

p. 240.

And later we learn that a supposed Western response to a Soviet annoncement:

... again makes clear that the Jewish question is the key to world history.

p. 240

and again

The intigator, supporter and leader of this war is, and will remain, the international Jew, that criminal race which now, as in centuries past, is to blame for the fact that the nations of the earth are arrayed against one another in war. An understanding among peoples of the earth can be hoped for only when this world pest is once and for all wiped out.

p. 240-241.


This only from a few pages of a book about Nazi propaganda which illustrates the paranoid, conspiracy, virulent and hateful thinking of so many of the Nazis. They quite literaly seems to have had Jews on the brain has a satanic, demonic force and not human beings in the slightest. I find it interesting that so many Holocaust deniers don't talk too much about this, unless they are talking to the like minded who will "understand". Of course a great many Holocaust deniers do in fact see the world in the same paranoid, idiot fashion.

Also the element of projection is blackly amusing i.e., the atribution of the desire for World Domination and Extermination to the Jews. When both of those aims were very much part of the Nazis ethos. Bluntly the Nazis seems to have been hysterics frightened by a mythical enemy.

The Nazis were quite honest about their delusional view of how the world operates.

And the two posters below are also illustrations of a totally bogus view of how the world works.