General Holocaust denial discussion Part III

[LeoMajor]

The point is the women worked in and out of the camp. Totally inconsistent with the holohoax narrative where the gassings were a big secret.

So, Yad Vashem scratched that little bit of info.

Saggy, I will try to lay this out as simply as I can. Auschwitz was not one but three seperate camps - Auschwitz I, Birkenau (also called Auschwitz II) and Monowitz (also called Auschwitz III) prisoners worked on slave labor details in and out of AI and AIII but were mostly restricted at AII - which was where most of the gassings occurred.

This is irrelevant. because rumors spread quickly and everyone in the camp soon knew what was going on.

Anything else?

 

[smartcooky]

Yer funny, Saggy. Maybe I can petition Pyrro on your behalf, get you back on Skeptics. If nothing else you would provide an entertaining diversion......

You'd have to promise to behave yourself, I think. Pyrro's lightened up a bit, whaddya say, want me to put in a good word for you?

Absolutely you should!!

Posters like Saggy do a huge service for Holocaust scholars and proponents. They allow lurkers and those who are perhaps on the fence on the issue, to see just how intellectually dishonest Holocaust Deniers are.

 

[LeoMajor]

I don't think there is a cover-up, I demonstrated a cover-up.

SHAPE SHIFTING INTER-DIMENSIONAL CHILD MOLESTERS ARE PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT TURN THE FRIGGIN FROGS GAY!!!!!!!!

Despite my repeated requests for a discussion of the testimony of one credible Jewish eyewitness to the hoax, along with the corroborating testimony and physical evidence supporting the eyewitness account, none of the resident hoaxers has been up to the challenge.

I earlier pointed you in the direction of the testimony of Richard Glazar regarding the use of excavators at Treblinka. This was corroborated by testimonies by all German SS/T4 guards at Treblinka, order receipts for the excavators in question from the HSSPF Lublin office, and evidence of digging being done by excavators found by Polish investigators after the war.

You ignored it - perhaps because it was inconvenient for your mythology.

 

[LeoMajor]

What complete idiocy. Rationality takes a holiday at ISF, every day.

Here is one to ponder, 1+1 = 2. Now, tell me, why is that false?

Ok, ponder this: The Holocaust Happened. Tell me, why would that be false?

 

[smartcooky]

Here is one to ponder, 1+1 = 2. Now, tell me, why is that false?

Its false when you don't know the value of "1", you have utterly no clue whatsoever how go about ascertaining the value of "1", and you ignore everyone who tells you how to find the value of "1".

 

[BaaBaa]

...don't expect anyone to read such crap.

Have some irony: it's good for the blood.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Duplicate post.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I notice that Saggy has no problem with the idea of putting Jews into camps in the first place. It is only what happened in those camps that he is disputing.
Why is that, Saggy? Why should Jews have been put into camps at all?

 

[LemmyCaution]

I notice that Saggy has no problem with the idea of putting Jews into camps in the first place. It is only what happened in those camps that he is disputing.
Why is that, Saggy? Why should Jews have been put into camps at all?

And mocks the Jews who were put into camps . . . for being Jews . . .

 

[Nessie]

There is simply no lie the holocaust liars will not tell.

The game is over. The lies of the holohoax are absolutely astounding.

No one disputes some witnesses told lies. That you expand that to claim all lied is a lie. You then show yourself to be a very poor judge of what is evidence, by refusing to provide any evidence to back up your beliefs.

 

[Belz...]

For one thing, I'm making explicit the fact that I am the only person on the board who is willing to post evidence that the 'holocaust' happened.

Ah, so you're lying. Got it.

Then, after at some point, I will switch to the evidence of the hoax.

No you won't.

And, of course, I invite all the hoaxers to post evidence that the 'holocaust' happened. But, so far, ........ crickets ...... from the hoaxers.

Another lie.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Ah, so you're lying. Got it.



No you won't.



Another lie.

In fact, these are degenerate lies. Saggy is portraying himself (and his Nazi buddies) as helpless victims of a crime (the "Holohoax") that never happened.

 

[LemmyCaution]

No one disputes some witnesses told lies. That you expand that to claim all lied is a lie. You then show yourself to be a very poor judge of what is evidence, by refusing to provide any evidence to back up your beliefs.

In this case, Saggy accused the Auschwitz scholar Helena Kubica of lying, not witnesses. He has not explained the basis for his charge.

 

[Hans]

No one disputes some witnesses told lies. That you expand that to claim all lied is a lie. You then show yourself to be a very poor judge of what is evidence, by refusing to provide any evidence to back up your beliefs.

Many veterans of any war you care to pick also exaggerate or make up incredible stories. One of my Uncles as he got older had tales of experiences in Italy; he went from a battalion cook (which the records show he was) to an Infantryman, to a Machine Gunner, then an instructor, an instructor sent to Russia and in his late 80's was insisting he had gone to Russia and ended up commanding a Russian MG regiment that help to take Budapest.......nah

 

[Axxman300]

Saggy is the first person to make me feel sorry for the S.S. They go to all of that work raising the standards of antisemitism to an art, build all of those death camps, and actually exterminate Jews. Yet Saggy has no respect for old-school German industrial solutions for racial purity.

How can you be a Nazi apologist without celebrating their single largest achievement?

 

[Hans]

Saggy is the first person to make me feel sorry for the S.S. They go to all of that work raising the standards of antisemitism to an art, build all of those death camps, and actually exterminate Jews. Yet Saggy has no respect for old-school German industrial solutions for racial purity.

How can you be a Nazi apologist without celebrating their single largest achievement?

Yes he is an embarrassment to the Fuhrer. He is actually saying that the Nazis wouldn't kill Jews, but would kill Slavs and lots of other people, but not Jews....and of course Germans Hitler killed 6 million plus Germans.

Saggy you have failed him.....

 

[Degeneve]

I don't think there is a cover-up, I demonstrated a cover-up.

But, nevermind that ....


Despite my repeated requests for a discussion of the testimony of one credible Jewish eyewitness to the hoax, along with the corroborating testimony and physical evidence supporting the eyewitness account, none of the resident hoaxers has been up to the challenge.

So, if the hoaxers won't present the evidence for the hoax, I'll do it myself. And I use only 100% kosher sources, so we'll know the story is coming right from the horse's .... mouth, so to speak.

Let's look to Yad Vashem, on their Auschwitz Album page, which shows the only photographic evidence for the hoax at Auschwitz, "he only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau. "

Here we have ....

"Women and children on the Birkenau arrival platform known as the "ramp". The Jews were removed from the deportation trains onto the ramp where they faced a selection process - some were sent immediately to their deaths, while others were sent to slave labor"

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/GC8vkp5.jpg[/qimg]

With proof like this, who can doubt the hoax?

This picture represents only a very tiny element of proof within an overwhelming mass of documents, testimonies, factual and visual evidences, including mass graves in Ukraine, Belarus and Baltic countries.

By the way Saggy, still no answer on the fate of the Dutch Jews who were transported to Auschwitz? Or on the fate of the millions of Jews of the "Yiddishland" who disappeared between 1939 and 1945 without leaving a trace?

 

[Degeneve]

More

COMPELLING EVIDENCE FOR THE HOLOHOAX

Stanisława Leszczyńska

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/y4fVnPe.jpg[/qimg]

I gotta admit, this one surprised me .....

"Stanisława Leszczyńska (May 8, 1896 – March 11, 1974) was a Polish midwife who was incarcerated at the Auschwitz concentration camp during World War II, where she delivered over 3,000 children.[1][2] She is an official candidate for canonization (sainthood) by the Catholic Church.[2] Several hospitals and organizations in Europe are named after Stanisława; the main road at Auschwitz concentration camp museum is named after her; and so is a street in the city of Łódź.[3]"

From your own source: "Stanisława Leszczyńska was born to a Polish Catholic family of carpenter Jan Zambrzycki and his wife Henryka".

So she was not Jewish and probably never approached Auschwitz II camp and the gas chambers. And with respect to the women she delivered I am ready to bet none of them was Jewish.

 

[Nick Terry]

From your own source: "Stanisława Leszczyńska was born to a Polish Catholic family of carpenter Jan Zambrzycki and his wife Henryka".

So she was not Jewish and probably never approached Auschwitz II camp and the gas chambers. And with respect to the women she delivered I am ready to bet none of them was Jewish.

The women's camp at Auschwitz was located in Birkenau, so Leszczyńska was there. The 'gypsy camp' was also in Birkenau, and was the cause of many of the pregnancies since they were allowed to live as families. Polish Catholic and Belarusian Orthodox women gave birth to the rest of the identified newborns given camp registration numbers.

LemmyCaution cited Kubica's figure of 680 births registered, which is accurate compared to the exaggerated 3000 cited by a Catholic publication, as anyone whom owns the Auschwitz Chronicle/Kalendarium can easily work out skimming over 1943-1944. There were literally no babies registered at Auschwitz-Birkenau until the spring of 1943 when the Roma and Sinti began to be concentrated in the 'gypsy camp', which is also when Aktion 14 f 13 was suspended in the KZs and when at Auschwitz, selections of registered inmates who were not Jewish were largely discontinued.

The point about differential treatment of pregnant Jews and non-Jews stands, however. Pregnant Jewish women were usually killed, by 1944 there was an informal policy of forced abortions that was tacitly encouraged by certain SS men. I recently read testimonies by other Polish Catholic female doctors and nurses discussing this, and identifying Hungarian Jewish doctors who performed the abortions, so from mid-1944.

From the end of October 1944, there were no more selections for the gas chambers. This explains the whopping total of 8 Jewish babies registered at Auschwitz in late 1944.

 

[LemmyCaution]

>> Kubica's figure of 680 births registered, which is accurate compared to the exaggerated 3000 cited by a Catholic publication . . .

It struck me, reading Saggy's posts on this, how deferential he is to witnesses whose testimony - and exaggerations - fit his biases, even whilst arguing that all Holocaust witnesses are liars, lack credibility, etc. With his "friendly" witnesses, he accepts whatever they've said, without a moment's thought or hesitation; whereas with witnesses whose testimony undermines his claims, he dismisses everything they say, again without thought. The double standard is glaring.

Yet in both cases, he floats free of substance, making knee-jerk pronouncements and snide jokes so he can misuse elements of evidence to suit his purposes - without ever grappling with the range of evidence, what witnesses have said, when and why.

Saggy still hasn't explained his basis for calling Auschwitz scholar Kubica a liar. I asked him if he'd read her chapter in the Auschwitz history. I know, get serious, right?

For readers who care, here is the Nuremberg translation of Glucks' 27 April 1943 order, which I cited above and to which Nick Terry alludes:

The Reichsfuehrer SS and Chief of the German Police has decided after consultation, that in the future only mentally sick prisoners may be selected for action 14-F-13 by the medical commissions appointed for this purpose.

All other prisoners incapable of working (tubercular cases, bedridden cripples, et cetera) are to be basically excepted from this action. Bedridden prisoners are to be drafted for suitable work which they can perform in bed.

The order of the Reichsfuehrer SS is to be obeyed strictly in the future.

Therefore requests for fuel for this purpose are unnecessary.

I wrote above that I hadn't read this order; I found that I had . . . oops. I am sure I haven't read Kubica's other sources, on which I await Saggy's critical remarks.