Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[RoboTimbo]

...And I might have wrongly given the impression (in the post above) that the facts I mentioned were the "only" reason I believe in Christianity -- in that case they would be a fallacy if they were the "only" reason. But anyone who has read all the other information I've given in my 2000 posts in this thread knows that they are not the only reasons I believe in Christianity.

You don't know what fallacy means, do you?

 

[Hokulele]

You don't know what fallacy means, do you?

I am sure he uses the same dictionary for looking up "fallacy" that he uses for the definition of "evidence".

 

[X]

You don't know what fallacy means, do you?

I am sure he uses the same dictionary for looking up "fallacy" that he uses for the definition of "evidence".

Which explains how he got an "A" in "logic".

 

[zooterkin]

Posted by carlitos

Thanks for posting that DOC. I found it very interesting.

Now, are you claiming that both Jesus and Caesar were Gods, or just Jesus?

Do learn how to quote properly, DOC, you've been here long enough.

Actually I took philosophy 101, of which logic was a part of, and I received an A.

You've claimed this before, but there is no evidence for it in this thread; much like the OP, in fact.

For the most part I can't talk to non-believers in here in spiritual terms so I talk in numbers and facts that the average person can understand. You can talk about fallacies until you're blue in the face but the average everyday person will look at the facts I mentioned and I know it will make them wonder why this man named Jesus in a small far off Roman province caused everything I mentioned.

Which, if true, is a sad comment on standards of education, and the need for people to be taught how to think critically.

 

[Lothian]

For the most part I can't talk to non-believers in here in spiritual terms

Sure you can. Although you are right in a way, such a conversation does not belong in a thread promising evidence

so I talk in numbers and facts that the average person can understand. You can talk about fallacies until you're blue in the face but the average everyday person will look at the facts I mentioned and I know it will make them wonder why this man named Jesus in a small far off Roman province caused everything I mentioned.

So you are fully aware that the posts you are putting out there are not evidence, rather fallacies, however you hope the average everyday person is ignorant and may be suckered in to believing you are providing evidence.

And I might have wrongly given the impression (in the post above) that the facts I mentioned were the "only" reason I believe in Christianity -- in that case they would be a fallacy if they were the "only" reason.

You have wrongly given the impression that you have evidence that the NT authors told the truth.

But anyone who has read all the other information I've given in my 2000 posts in this thread knows that they are not the only reasons I believe in Christianity.

When counting posts you may want to knock off some of these.

I have over 80 posts in this thread.

I don't have the time right now to go through my other 80+ posts.

And I asked you to list only 3 fallacious arguments in my 100 posts in this thread and which post they came from.

List one specific lie contained in my 163 posts and your proof that it is a lie.

But it is my belief God does give enough evidence (some of which I have pointed out in my 160+ posts) to rationally believe in Him,

Huh, haven't you read my 174 posts?

Would it be possible for me to post 200+ times in an evidence thread that has around 90 other posters without giving any evidence

And a lot of the evidence or reasons or whatever you want to call it that I've presented in my 200+ posts have been from the book posted in post #1.

You must have missed my last 215 posts.

And your comment about me not being well read in my faith is a joke that my 27 or so threads with thousands of posts will attest to.

Haven't you read my 259 posts..

I left over 400 posts in that thread.

Your welcome to read my 319 posts.

Your post might confuse someone who haven't read my 319 posts

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'll be happy if people read at least half of my 319 posts in here and they can judge for themselves.

I'll be happy if people with an open mind read at least half of my posts.

My 358 posts are out there for everyone to read and then they can make up their own mind.

Name one post out of my 395 posts in this thread where I lied. Of course you won't be able to.

there is also more evidence within my 400 posts.

Can living things without souls leave thousands of posts on the Randi website.

Sometimes I think you don't realize that my 650+ posts in this thread are out there for everyone to read.

And the evidence is the thousands of posts this soul puts forth the effort to leave.

Name one spambot that has left thousands of posts in the Randi threads?

Can physical living material post thousands of posts on a Randi site?

I've been on this site over 2 years and left over 2800 messages.

[And of course other information is brought out in my 460+ posts.

I believe it and in my 500 or so posts in this thread I given you some reasons why you should believe.

I've given my reasons based on facts in my 560 posts in this thread

My 500 posts in the following thread say otherwise:

My close to 3000 posts about Christianity have to have some substance behind them

Maybe 2 to 3 % at most of my 2900+ posts have to do with those topics

Is it really possible to make 634 posts in an evidence thread like I have in this thread without any evidence.

the good news for me is my #634 posts are out there to read.

And I guess my 650 posts are not enough for some people.

Sometimes I think you don't realize that my 650+ posts in this thread are out there for everyone to read.

Give one lie I have written in my 3000+ posts

If people read my 725 posts they will know mine.

I think I already said enough about Jefferson in my 500 posts in the "Thomas Jefferson's admiration and financial support of Christianity" thread.

Not even one of my 824 posts?

Which of my 844 posts in this thread have been shown to be wrong ?

Is it possible to leave 900 posts in an evidence thread without giving any evidence.

And you will find more in my 900+ posts in this thread.

If you read my 950+ posts in this thread you'll understand why .

my 1000+ posts in this thread are out there and they have little if anything to do with me.

Is it really possible to leave 1100 posts in a thread (like I have in this one) or to have threads like the following 74 page thread on Science if you don't read.

You've have the right to your opinion but my 1100 posts in this thread say otherwise.

Read my 1100 posts in this thread and you will find much evidence

And also my other 1100 posts.

My 1100 posts in this thread are out there

And my 1300 posts (several hundred with information) show that I have a different opinion than you.

Better yet read all 1200 of my posts

Maybe it might of made sense to ask such a question on page 5 or 6, but to ask it on page 199 of this thread is laughable to any unbiased person who has read all 1300 of my posts.

Thank you for your attempt to summarize my close to 1400 posts in 5 lines.

Another general opinion trying to discredit my 1400 posts in 2 sentences.

I've left well over 1400 posts.

If you read my 1400 posts maybe starting with post 7667 (pg. 192) you will find out.

Of course you won't be able to give one lie I've have supposedly made in over 4000 posts I've have made since I have been on the system.

And many of my 1500 posts answer your question about evidence.

Actually I'm dead serious about every one of my 4,414 posts.

And my other 1600 posts has more evidence for people to consider.

I couldn't have made 1600 posts without it.

Have you read my 1600 posts?

My 1600 posts are out there, people have the free will right to think of them as they choose.

My 1600 posts in this 10,000+ post thread are evidence of my honest debate.

The good news is that my close to 1700 posts are out there

So 1700 posts is not enough for you.

read my other 1900 posts for additional supporting evidence.

Partially does, yes. Read a definition of evidence in post 13; then read my other 1900 posts for additional supporting evidence.

 

[SezMe]

When counting posts you may want to knock off some of these.

Lothian, you need a hobby.

 

[Lothian]

Lothian, you need a hobby.

You don't like the one I already have?

 

[DOC]

Lothian, you need a hobby.

He and every one else needs to find the purpose God put them on this planet for. You won't have peace in your life until you do.

 

[paximperium]

He and every one else needs to find the purpose God put them on this planet for. You won't have peace in your life until you do.

Which god? Any evidence yet?

 

[CriticalSock]

351 pages of ..... what?

 

[DOC]

...But anyone who has read all the other information I've given in my 2000+ posts in this thread knows that {those few reasons given above} are not the only reasons I believe in Christianity.

When counting posts you may want to knock off some of these.

Originally Posted by DOC View Post
I don't have the time right now to go through my other 80+ posts.
Originally Posted by DOC View Post
And I asked you to list only 3 fallacious arguments in my 100 posts in this thread and which post they came from.
Originally Posted by DOC View Post
List one specific lie contained in my 163 posts and your proof that it is a lie.
Originally Posted by DOC View Post
But it is my belief God does give enough evidence (some of which I have pointed out in my 160+ posts) to rationally believe in Him,
Originally Posted by DOC View Post
Huh, haven't you read my 174 posts?
Originally Posted by DOC View Post
Would it be possible for me to post 200+ times in an evidence thread that has around 90 other posters without giving any evidence...

Lothian, since you listed my out of context responses again, I'll give a similar answer to the one I gave the last time you did this.
____

Actually the number of posts I have made (over 2000) is something for people to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 351 page thread with 14,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 351. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics as I have done? People who ask me why is your religion any different then all the rest, really have to think about that. And the members of other religions should think about that also.

Christianity does have a lot of evidence to support it and I think I have shown that in my over 2000 posts. And I believe there is even more evidence out there that will come out slowly but surely if people are patient.

 

[zooterkin]

I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 336. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics as I have done?

Are you going to bring any 'cold facts' that are relevant to the OP to this thread?

 

[paximperium]

Actually the number of posts I have made (over 2000) is something for people to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 336 page thread with 14,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 336. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics as I have done? People who state why is your religion any different then all the others, really have to think about that. And the members of other religions should think about that also.

DOC,
Please identify the 3 logical fallacies in your idiotic post. Are you sure you passed a "logic" course? Did you even take one?

 

[Lothian]

Lothian, since you listed my out of context responses again.....

Doc, I am pleased we are in agreement that your responses are 'out of context'.

 

[Lothian]

I'll give a similar answer to the one I gave the last time you did this.
Actually the number of posts I have made (over 2000) is something for people to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 336 page thread with 14,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 336. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics as I have done? People who state why is your religion any different then all the others, really have to think about that. And the members of other religions should think about that also.

In that case I will repost the replies you got last time you did this.

If you believe you have legitimately defended your religion you are delusional.
Information? Noise more like. You have made many posts. Not one has provided evidence that the NT authors told the truth. Every attempt you have made to defend your religion has been thoroughly debunked several times over.

This is laughable. So are you joining the ranks of Christian martyrs? Boiled in oil, crucified upside-down, flayed, drawn and quartered, burned alive...and courageously fought off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument. How many stars in your crown now?

Or let's compare with your list: blowing yourself up in sacrifice to your religion, setting fire to yourself in sacrifice to your religion, killed in the millions of men, women and children because of your religion...or courageously fighting off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument.

And, yes, I am quite sure that a Buddhist, Muslim or Jewish devotee could match and outdo your record should he or she wish to.

DOC, using your definition of cold facts and information, I think that quite a number of people in this thread could defend islam, buddhism or judaism for 326 pages or more, and do it well, even though they are not believers.

DOC, you haven't "legitimately defended" a single thing.
All you've done is tossed out fallacy after fallacy, while proving that you have absolutely no concept of why they are fallacies.

In short, the only thing your posts provide evidence of is your woefull lack of critical thinking skills.

By the logic in your post above:

- Jammonius has provided evidence that no airplane hit the twin towers on 9/11. After all, he thinks he's been succesfully defending his position for dozens of pages.

- Michael Mozina has provided evidence that the sun has a solid surface (mostly made of iron). After all, him and his acolyte think they've been succesfully defending that position for dozens of pages.

I could go on, but why bother?

You're not going to understant my point. Not until you learn about logic.

And, frankly, given the "grasp" (if such a term can be applied) of logic you've shown thus far, I don't for one instant believe you've taken a course on the subject. I think that is just another lie.

With 1900 posts, you should be able to show just one that has evidence that the NT writers told the truth. Which one is it?

Yeah, at least a Buddhist wouldn't try to convince us that 10 lashes would be "like a sunburn".

​

Not only will you win your case against those evil purveyors of antithetical logic courses, the judge should award you millions in punitive damages after he sees the evidence in this thread.

Hey! This thread is evidence for something after all!

Yeah... it's sad
You missed 'Christian'... Why? Are you pretending that you have 'defended your woo'?
No

You have do NOT have ANY info... you have nonsense... and lots of it

 

[dafydd]

He and every one else needs to find the purpose God put them on this planet for. You won't have peace in your life until you do.

I have no god or gods in my life and I live very peacefully in my log cabin in the woods.Stop making silly assumptions.

 

[joobz]

Actually the number of posts I have made (over 2000) is something for people to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 351 page thread with 14,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 351.

Doc, you are suffering from the delusion of the black knight.




your longevity at being wrong isn't proof of anything except your stubborn unwillingness to learn.

 

[X]

Lothian, since you listed my out of context responses again, I'll give a similar answer to the one I gave the last time you did this.
____

Actually the number of posts I have made (over 2000) is something for people to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 351 page thread with 14,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 351. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics as I have done? People who ask me why is your religion any different then all the rest, really have to think about that. And the members of other religions should think about that also.

Christianity does have a lot of evidence to support it and I think I have shown that in my over 2000 posts. And I believe there is even more evidence out there that will come out slowly but surely if people are patient.

*Snork*

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

That, by the way, is my considered and professional response to you post, DOC.

It seems we should add "defend" to the list of words DOC does not really understand.
It joins "evidence", "fallacy" and "logic".

 

[joobz]

He and every one else needs to find the purpose God put them on this planet for. You won't have peace in your life until you do.

DOC, if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that I am suffering internally, by all means believe that. I grant you to believe anything horrible about me if it helps you live with yourself on a daily basis. because the truth is it makes me sad to think that you really need to believe this to make your existence meaningful.

 

[amb]

Originally Posted by DOC View Post
...And I might have wrongly given the impression (in the post above) that the facts I mentioned were the "only" reason I believe in Christianity -- in that case they would be a fallacy if they were the "only" reason. But anyone who has read all the other information I've given in my 2000 posts in this thread knows that they are not the only reasons I believe in Christianity.

No DOC. You are infected by the god virus. That's why you believe in the absurd.