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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Another post that takes up space and adds nothing to the thread (and also violates Randi's rules). You seem to believe that people need to continually read your (real or phony) opinion about me for some reason. Your use of word stupid twice says a lot about you.
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DOC, thanks for the post. It made my point exactly as to your complete absence of intelligence and honesty.

It also insults the intelligence of the hundreds of people who come into my threads that have averaged 40.000 hits or so in my last couple of threads.

But the great thing about the Randi site is that my close to 3000 posts are out there for everyone read. And I have to believe that if anyone reads 1/4 of my 3000 posts and then reads your post they will see that you are one very bitter person. Hopefully you will find peace in your life someday.
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I consider it insulting that you would believe people reading your thread was stupid enough to buy your nonsense and you would have the gall to pretend that the popularity of your thread has nothing to do with people popping in and laughing at your silly attempts.

You are a joke DOC. That is the truth and it is very sad that you don't even see this simple fact.
 
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DOC said:
You should take the time, what is your source for your statement that archaeologists no longer rely on the Bible because it has been proven wrong too many times.
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And YOU should read some of the many many books that have been recommended to you.
 
Hokulele said:
I would say that a good percentage of those posts is the Wiki List of Martyrs spam. Or the Geisler book link spam. Or the "Look at my _____ number of posts" spam. Or...
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This thread in Humor called "The Twelvtyseventh person to post in this thread wins" has more posts than this thread. Clearly that means that it is more important.
 
DOC said:
So you have no proof that anything in the 27 books of the New Testament has been proven false through archaeology?
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Interestingly, my post was about the Old Testament so I am not sure why you restrict your question about the New one.

Anyway; there are 27 books in the NT:
* Matthew:
Start with a geneology of Jesus... One that contradicts the one given by Luke.
The Massacre of the innocent... That left no mass grave and historical record.

* Mark:
'But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'
The moon never produced its own light, no need to wait for the second coming.

* Luke:
Describe Jesus being taken on the top of a mountain and looking down at: 'all the kingdom of the world'. Make sense in the small and flat world of the ancients, not in the real one.

* John:
Mentions a city named Bethabara located beyond Jordan, one that that Archeology has yet to discover any sign of.

* Acts:
Paul is bitten by a poisonous snake while on the island of Malta... where no such snakes exist.

* Romans:
"Paul" explain how the gospels 'went into all the earth'. In the first century.

* 1 Corinthians:
Mentions how a seed must die before germinating.

* 2 Corinthians:
Mentions the creation myth as if it really happened.

* Galatians:
Contradicts the acts about Paul going to Jerusalem immediately after his conversion.

* Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians and Titus
All contradict each other or other parts of the Bible, about what it takes to be saved or if the laws of the ancient testament still need to be observed

* 1 Timothy:
Once again, the creation myth.

* 2 Timothy:
Mention Jesus being from the Davidian lineage... Which contradicts the myth of the immaculate conception.
Says that all scripture are divinely inspired, hence contradicting Corinthian.

* Philemon:
Nothing factually false, but a condoning of slavery...

* Hebrews:
The earth is build over foundations.

* James:
'For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind'

Peter:
Mentions the flood myth has if it was real.

* 1 John:
Nobody has ever seen God... Except all the ones that did...

* Jude:
References the mythical giants, the ones allegedly produced by angels mating with humans, as if they really existed.

* Revelation:
Jesus holds seven star in his hands.



So... Yeah, even a cursory look by somebody which, like myself, is nothing like an expert will bring quite a few contradictions and factual untruth...
By the way, mst of the references came from here.
 
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Simon39759 said:
So... Yeah, even a cursory look by somebody which, like myself, is nothing like an aspect bring quite a few contradiction and factual untruth...
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Whether or not you are right/DOC is wrong or vice versa, the prospect of hell just got a whole lot cooler!
 
Hokulele said:
I would say that a good percentage of those posts is the Wiki List of Martyrs spam. Or the Geisler book link spam. Or the "Look at my _____ number of posts" spam. Or...
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Maybe 2 to 3 % at most of my 2900+ posts have to do with those topics, but nice try.
 
Simon39759 said:
Interestingly, my post was about the Old Testament so I am not sure why you restrict your question about the New one.

Anyway; there are 27 books in the NT:
* Matthew:
Start with a geneology of Jesus... One that contradicts the one given by Luke.
The Massacre of the innocent... That left no mass grave and historical record.

* Mark:
'But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'
The moon never produced its own light, no need to wait for the second coming.

* Luke:
Describe Jesus being taken on the top of a mountain and looking down at: 'all the kingdom of the world'. Make sense in the small and flat world of the ancients, not in the real one.

* John:
Mentions a city named Bethabara located beyond Jordan, one that that Archeology has yet to discover any sign of.

* Acts:
Paul is bitten by a poisonous snake while on the island of Malta... where no such snakes exist.

* Romans:
"Paul" explain how the gospels 'went into all the earth'. In the first century.

* 1 Corinthians:
Mentions how a seed must die before germinating.

* 2 Corinthians:
Mentions the creation myth as if it really happened.

* Galatians:
Contradicts the acts about Paul going to Jerusalem immediately after his conversion.

* Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Thessalonians and Titus
All contradict each other or other parts of the Bible, about what it takes to be saved or if the laws of the ancient testament still need to be observed

* 1 Timothy:
Once again, the creation myth.

* 2 Timothy:
Mention Jesus being from the Davidian lineage... Which contradicts the myth of the immaculate conception.
Says that all scripture are divinely inspired, hence contradicting Corinthian.

* Philemon:
Nothing factually false, but a condoning of slavery...

* Hebrews:
The earth is build over foundations.

* James:
'For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind'

Peter:
Mentions the flood myth has if it was real.

* 1 John:
Nobody has ever seen God... Except all the ones that did...

* Jude:
References the mythical giants, the ones allegedly produced by angels mating with humans, as if they really existed.

* Revelation:
Jesus holds seven star in his hands.



So... Yeah, even a cursory look by somebody which, like myself, is nothing like an expert will bring quite a few contradictions and factual untruth...
By the way, mst of the references came from here.
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Other than the one in John -- which can easily be expained by either the city was aboandoned like so many cities over 2000 years are or it was destroyed in a flood by a nearby river or lake -- I see very few that have to do with archaeology which was part of my statement. And there are explantions for most of those as they pertain to the bible but would take a year to examine thouroughly. One should read Norman Geisler's Systematic Theology Volume 1 for many explanations. And I've already discussed many of the points you bring up. It would take a very long time to repeat myself so let's stick to the New Testament which is in the title of this thread.
 
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DOC said:
Other than the one in John -- which can easily be expained by either the city was aboandoned like so many cities over 2000 years are or it was destroyed in a flood by a nearby river or lake -- I see none that have to do with archaeology which was part of my statement.
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Completely true.

So I'm assuming you accept all the other examples provided about how the New Testament is wrong and invalid due to the overwhelming evidence provided by other fields of science ranging from paleontology, physics, biology and geology. So archeology does not support or discredit your Bible but all of science does.
 
paximperium said:
Completely true.

So I'm assuming you accept all the other examples provided about how the New Testament is wrong and invalid due to the overwhelming evidence provided by other fields of science ranging from paleontology, physics, biology and geology. So archeology does not support or discredit your Bible but all of science does.
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Other than the highly symbolic Book of Revelation what are you talking about?
 
DOC said:
If the Jews captured 500 hundred Roman soldiers when they revolted in 66 ad what would you have them do with the soldiers.

1) Kill them

2) Let them go free

3) make them slaves
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joobz said:
It's a non-sequitor question combined with a false set of choices. I'd say the right thing to do would be imprisonment or setting free.
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Do you think the revolting Jews had a prison that could hold, feed and guard 500 Roman soldiers. And remember, they had no guns back then, so guarding 500 professional soldiers would be extremely difficult.

Your second choice was to let them go free. What would stop them from returning to the remaining Roman army regroup and attack you again. This would be a military disaster.

So that leaves us with killing them or making them slaves. Since you believe slavery is not right under any circumstances, the only option that makes sense using your no slavery ever thinking would be to kill all 500 of them. Thus joobz I've shown that your no slavery under any circumstances thinking would lead to much death, and much more work for the victors. Thus the victors of the battle lose by having to do more work than they would of had to do and the 500 dead soldiers lose by being dead. Everyone loses in this situtation but Joobz who feels good because there was no slavery involved..
 
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DOC said:
Thus joobz I've shown that your no slavery under any circumstances thinking would lead to much death, and much more work for the victors.
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In other words, the ends justify the means.
So don't you think it's sad that your best argument you can come up with in defense of this point is that
Jesus was too powerless to tell the truth about morality.
or
Jesus was simply the product of his time.
 
DOC said:
Thus the victors of the battle lose by having to do more work than they would of had to do and the 500 dead soldiers lose by being dead. Everyone loses in this situtation but Joobz who feels good because there was no slavery involved..
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DOC, these same reasons exist today.
Are you saying it'd be better for us to kill or enslave our prisoners?

And yes, I feel slavery is a morally wrong choice. I see no example that justifies it's practice. This is why I think your religion is immoral.
 
DOC said:
Other than the one in John -- which can easily be expained by either the city was aboandoned like so many cities over 2000 years are or it was destroyed in a flood by a nearby river or lake -- I see very few that have to do with archaeology which was part of my statement. And there are explantions for most of those as they pertain to the bible but would take a year to examine thouroughly. One should read Norman Geisler's Systematic Theology Volume 1 for many explanations. And I've already discussed many of the points you bring up. It would take a very long time to repeat myself so let's stick to the New Testament which is in the title of this thread.
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Ok; let's focus on one element. what about we start with the massacre of the innocents, then?
Here, we have (allegedly) the slaughter of tenth of thousands.

Yet, no mass grave was ever recorded.
Yet, Josephus does never mention the thing.
Yet the Romans never mention it themselves. Surprising no? You'd expect them to say at some time during the Jewish revolt: 'Yeah, you are pissed at us being here, but look how it ended up the last time we left you alone...'.


Everything we observe is just as one would expect if it was a completely fictional event.
 
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