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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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joobz said:
I just received whiplash from this jump in logic.
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My neck kinda aches but I was bracing for it.

DOC using logical fallacies is as inevitable as a car crash when a drunk and blind person drives a car at 100mph during rush hour. However even that was more jarring than most.
 
DOC said:
There is a lot of evidence that the bible is true -- historical, archeological, geographical -- I guess you feel fulfilled bible prophecy is the best.
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To be perfectly honest DOC, given your abysmal track record, I see absolutely no reason to believe you have any idea what you're talking about. However... I am sincerely interested so, if you have ANY evidence then, please, do present it

DOC said:
And haven't you heard that Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map.
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:confused: What on earth (or elsewhere) has that got to do with the price of fish?

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That fact along with other Middle East countries who hate Israel would seem to make Armageddon a real possibility.
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Oh dear... it seems that you're still hell-bent on lying for your messiah... but... what the hell... I'll ask anyhoo...

How do you make that connection?

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And don't forget the nuclear weapons Iran will probably have soon.
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Noted, along with the other pressing issues that I must not forget:

  • A unicorn might win the 2042 Epsom Derby
  • An asthmatic lesbian dragon called Cinderella might light the flame at the 2176 Kingston Bagpuise Special Olympics
  • A leprechaun called Seamus O'Blivion might play the stunt-double of a reincarnated John F. Kennedy in the role Zaphod Beeblebrox in a 42-part dramatisation of Alice Through The Looking Glass
 
paximperium said:
My neck kinda aches but I was bracing for it.

DOC using logical fallacies is as inevitable as a car crash when a drunk and blind person drives a car at 100mph during rush hour. However even that was more jarring than most.
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Heavy on opinion, light on a reasoned explanation. Posts like these add nothing to the thread. No information at all.
 
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DOC said:
Heavy on opinion, light on a reasoned explanation. Posts like these add nothing to the thread. No information at all.
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The hypocrisy is most amusing.

You pretend to as if you've offered something of worth when if fact, you've offered nothing but lies and garbage. My quips are more profound than your "evidence".

Well, I will confess that your post have added significantly to this thread in offering up an example of a dishonest deluded Christian apologist. I've actually printed up several of your weaseling posts for theistic friends and family to read. Even to most pious among them refuse to defend you. Keep it up.
 
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six7s said:
To be perfectly honest DOC, given your abysmal track record, I see absolutely no reason to believe you have any idea what you're talking about. However... I am sincerely interested so, if you have ANY evidence then, please, do present it
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You must have missed my last 215 posts. The great thing about the Randi site is that all my 215 posts are out there for anyone who wants to take the time to read them and not be influenced by such opinionated (attack the messenger) posts as yours and others.
 
DOC said:
You must have missed my last 215 posts. The great thing about the Randi site is that all my 215 posts are out there for anyone who wants to take the time to read them and not be influenced by such opinionated (attack the messenger) posts as yours and others.
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Yes lets.

You may want to really really really really look up what Ad hominems are. Everyones opinion that you are a terrible debater who is unable to function without using logical fallacies and lies to support your delusion is a conclusion based on your behavior. In fact your 215+ post is the evidence open far all to see.
 
DOC said:
You must have missed my last 215 posts. The great thing about the Randi site is that all my 215 posts are out there for anyone who wants to take the time to read them and not be influenced by such opinionated (attack the messenger) posts as yours and others.
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Indeed, all you posts are recorded. However to save anybody the tedium could you outline which post it was that you provided evidence.
 
paximperium said:
Yes lets.

You may want to really really really really look up what Ad hominems are. Everyones opinion that you are a terrible debater who is unable to function without using logical fallacies and lies to support your delusion is a conclusion based on your behavior. In fact your 215+ post is the evidence open far all to see.
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Everyone, huh? Have you asked all 90 or so posters in this thread and the hundreds in my other threads? That says something about the logic you use.
 
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Also posts that attack me and add no new info to the thread are really an insult to the readers. Because it is obvious (to me anyway) they are designed to sway any readers who might not have the time to read the whole thread. In actuality you are insulting their intelligence because by giving a personal opinion that attacks me personally without a reasoned explanation with examples you are really saying to the reader:

"Hey your not intelligent enough to make up your own mind about the posts you need my no new info opinionated post to help you make up your mind for you."
 
DOC said:
You must have missed my last 215 posts.
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I may well have missed some of them, especially if they were in other threads. However, your posts in this thread have one thing in common; they're all a load of bollocks

Please, do prove me wrong by linking to ONE post, by you, in this thread that says anything of relevance to the OP

DOC said:
The great thing about the Randi site is that all my 215 posts are out there for anyone who wants to take the time to read them and not be influenced by such opinionated (attack the messenger) posts as yours and others.
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Yes, indeed. Alas, for you, the public nature of this forum is a double-edged sword, one that pares back the straw of your pathetic so-called evidence to reveal nothing more than a hollow husk of woo
 
Since, DOC invited the poll, it is acceptable.

Unfortunately, it proves nothing and serves as a mere distraction. Appeal to numbers is a fallacy regardless who commits it.

The point is DOC's arguments (actually they are Geisler's arguments) have been so completely destroyed as to not warrent further debate. DOC will, obviously, deny this. But his acceptance of reality is not a prerequisite for its truth.


DOC had asked the clear question of what kind of evidence would be required to prove the resurrection true. This question has been answered. It is now for him to provide such evidence.
 
Hokulele said:
Some bits, yes. All of it? Not likely.

And which of these apply to the concept that Jesus rose from the dead?
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I forgot about this gambit.

Yes, DOC. this is very important. In a list of claims, the truth of one claim doesn't prove or support the truth of a second independant claim.

For example:
1. "Hitler was the ruler of the third Reich and his poop cured cancer."
Saying, "Claim 1 is true, therefore claim 2 is true" is a fallacy. They are two independant facts and do not support eachother.

Now for practice: Tell me what is wrong with the following argument:
"My Notebook contains only truths. If it is written in my notebook that Hitler was the ruler of the third Reich and his poop cured cancer, then it must be true that Hitler was the ruler of the Third Reich and his poop could cure cancer."
 
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