General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Sabretooth]

It's not my job to disprove your "Final Solution" conspiracy theory, it's your job to prove it, and you are failing.

That is the dumbest form of logic I've ever heard.

Tell you what...why don't you prove that I didn't just eat a delicious homemade Reuben.

 

[dudalb]

I don't think there is Crackpot Theory on the face of the planet that SHC does not buy into.

That, or his is just a very persistent Troll.

 

[Wroclaw]

Do you know any picture which clearly shows Sonderkommandos being forced to perform the absurd job of kill and cremate they own religious/ethnic group?

Have you ever had a gun to your head?

 

[Nick Terry]

Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard. A Critique of the Falsehoods of Mattogno, Graf and Kues.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com.br/​

No, not primary evidence for a mass extermination plan. Just a blog of holocaust believers angry with the overwhelming lack of scientific evidence to support their faith.

That would be the 'overwhelming lack of scientific evidence' which we somehow managed to write 571 pages about, and which features the longest discussion of mass graves and open air cremation at the Reinhard camps of any work currently available on pages 383-517? As in, 134 pages worth of such discussion?

 

[OCaptain]

Logical fallacy. Argumentum ad populum. Appeal to popularity. "It's true because everybody believes it's true!".

There is no such thing as a "historical consensus" when it comes to the Holocaust. It's been hotly debated ever since 1945.

Sorry, try again.

Only among the mentally ill, deniers, and neo-nazis.

 

[SnakeTongue]

Link

And now?

This video was of course taken by the germans. It was found by the allies. But hey, since you are the one, who now claims that this one is staged: PROVE IT! Who staged it, who are the actors in the video, when was it staged, and so on and on, you have absolutly nothing.

You do realise, that even the video was recorded inside the museum, the film that is shown is still real?

Not just a room, a room, that was about to being filled with the fumes of two cars. THIS is called gassing, it's exactly what you wanted.

I guess that car was not produced before 1945.

As well, that film was edited.

Clearly, the quality of the first part showing the sick patients was not produced at the same moment with the part which shows the vehicles.

The pipe coming of the car is not even attached to the original exhaust pipe...

No scenes of gas chambers...

I know, sometimes it's fun to mock people, who post insanely stupid stuff, but here it's just silly.

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[uke2se]

SnakeTounge, your ignorance hurts me physically. Please stop.

 

[nomuse]

Freaking amazing. Because there are no guards in a photograph (which was carefully taken when no guards were looking), there are no guards?

Seriously? They are behind barbed wire with no where to run, their food as well as their continued survival dependent on the whims of their guards, and you are going to say that unless a gun was at their heads every single instant they weren't actually under duress?

I had to revise this post six times. It was that hard not to express in plain language what I felt of the stupidity and failed empathy on display.

 

[Clayton Moore]

That would be the 'overwhelming lack of scientific evidence' which we somehow managed to write 571 pages about, and which features the longest discussion of mass graves and open air cremation at the Reinhard camps of any work currently available on pages 318-517? As in, 199 pages worth of such discussion?

Open air cremation of humans. An absolutely insane fabrication.

 

[000063]

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I guess that car was not produced before 1945

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Based on what, exactly? You were asked to prove the video was faked, and all you can do is speculate and If and Maybe and Clearly this and that. I especially like how not showing the people in the chambers apparently means they didn't exist. And of course the emaciated prisoners disembarking wasn't shot simultaneously with the car running. It was shot a few minutes later, after they were sealed into the chamber. Because when we see them, they are outside.

Open air cremation of humans. An absolutely insane fabrication.

Reflexive baseless incredulity noted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/10/hindu-cremation-pyre-appeal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cremation_Act_1902#Open_air_pyres

 

[Spui]

SnakeTongue: Here's a picture of Russian soldiers at Stalingrad. Can you find any NKVD officers threatening to kill these men unless they keep advancing?

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSstalingrad2.JPG

 

[Matthew Cline]

Much can be gleaned from the fact that all these posters guard the Holycaust 24/7 as if it were the Holy Grail. Certainly "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

They're hiding/protecting something of great value that's for sure.

Really? So, for example, the number of people online who spend time arguing against the claim that vaccines are the primary cause of autism is actually evidence for that claim?

@SpringHallConvert: Are there any commonly accepted historical claims about WWII which have been adequately proved? Maybe it's also impossible to prove or disprove that the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Japan at the end of the war.

 

[A'isha]

Really? So, for example, the number of people online who spend time arguing against the claim that vaccines are the primary cause of autism is actually evidence for that claim?

Please don't get him going on the "autism is caused by vaccines" nonsense in this thread. He's already been expounding at some length about it in this other thread here in the CT forum.

 

[DGM]

Maybe it's also impossible to prove or disprove that the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Japan at the end of the war.

Nope, He believes that one so no proof is necessary?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

The government truthers aren't having an easy time in this thread pimping their ridiculous "Final Solution" conspiracy theory. Notice how frustrated they get when the non-brainwashed challenge their pro-Zionist historical mythology.

"If you don't believe in our conspiracy theory, you are a Nazi Hitler-lover! Believe, or we will call you even more names than that!"

It's downright pathetic.

 

[DGM]

The government truthers aren't having an easy time in this thread pimping their ridiculous "Final Solution" conspiracy theory. Notice how frustrated they get when the non-brainwashed challenge their pro-Zionist historical mythology.

"If you don't believe in our conspiracy theory, you are a Nazi Hitler-lover! Believe, or we will call you even more names than that!"

It's downright pathetic.

What have you challenged?

 

[Moss]

Open air cremation of humans. An absolutely insane fabrication.

Funny that. Your truth requires hundreds of thousands of people to disappear without ever trying to contact their relatives. And the "died from diseases" variation still requires something to happen to those dead people. Hmmm...

 

[Matthew Ellard]

And then there's the teeny little selection of why the Allies would be bombing the supply trains for concentration camps, which would be, let's say, not a priority target. Looked at in a cold, logical light, the more Germans assigned to such camps, and the more people in them, the more they have to draw away resources from the front.

I absolutely agree. "Bombing" concentration camps is one of the silliest concepts the holocaust deniers have invented. It makes no sense yet they keep bringing it up.

A photo reconnaissance mosquito could just reach Poland before 30Dec1942 if it flew in a straight line over Germany (and its flak & air defence services), but imagine trying to find Treblinka from 10,000ft in rural Poland once the aircraft arrived. The aircraft would simply run out of fuel looking. The Brits were receiving better information from the Polish resistance around this time. The UK only had five ( I think) photo reconnaissance mosquitos at the time. Why waste a machine and a pilot for no purpose with no clear goal.

 

[Moss]

I absolutely agree. "Bombing" concentration camps is one of the silliest concepts the holocaust deniers have invented. It makes no sense yet they keep bringing it up.

A photo reconnaissance mosquito could just reach Poland before 30Dec1942 if it flew in a straight line over Germany (and its flak & air defence services), but imagine trying to find Treblinka from 10,000ft in rural Poland once the aircraft arrived. The aircraft would simply run out of fuel looking. The Brits were receiving better information from the Polish resistance around this time. The UK only had five ( I think) photo reconnaissance mosquitos at the time. Why waste a machine and a pilot for no purpose with no clear goal.

It also illustrates one point: The lack of traction Jewish interest groups had. Which would also be needed if one were to instigate a hoax the size Team Dead Nazi Whitewashing claims to have happened. If you add denier claims up 2 + 2 ends up as seventeen.

 

[The Dark Lord]

The government truthers aren't having an easy time in this thread pimping their ridiculous "Final Solution" conspiracy theory. Notice how frustrated they get when the non-brainwashed challenge their pro-Zionist historical mythology.

"If you don't believe in our conspiracy theory, you are a Nazi Hitler-lover! Believe, or we will call you even more names than that!"

It's downright pathetic.

The vast majority of Holocaust deniers are Hitler huggers. The rest are just really stupid. I'll let you pick which one you are.