Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

You contradict yourself in the first sentence.

And the fact remains that not even Peter could replicate the feat, and nobody has since. Walking on water remains an unattainable ideal, and because of this, your statement that anybody can do it with enough faith remains entirely speculative until somebody proves that there is such a thing as enough faith to do it.

Peter did walk on water until he started looking down rather than AT JESUS.

Peter did walk on water, and we shall walk on it or through it once again, just as Moses and the first Children of Israel did.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/CrossingtheJordan.html

Are you guys and gals catching it how all areas of life are inter connected, whether prophecy, sexuality, science, etc etc..... not segregated as you were taught but integrated together as ONE.

 

[RandFan]

Peter did walk on water until he started looking down rather than AT JESUS.

It is mythology that Peter walked on water. These myths are also known as "faith promoting rumors". They are common to all cultures and people.

Peter did walk on water, and we shall walk on it or through it once again, just as Moses and the first Children of Israel did.

You bet. And then we will all ride on Mohammad's horse to Disneyland.

Won't that be fun.

 

[bruto]

Peter did walk on water until he started looking down rather than AT JESUS.

My bible says the wind whipped up and he became afraid and started to sink. Nothing about looking down rather than at Jesus. I guess I haven't got the DJJ revise version.

Peter did walk on water, and we shall walk on it or through it once again, just as Moses and the first Children of Israel did.

So Peter began to walk on the water, and then failed. Nobody has since succeeded. And no matter how cavalierly you redefine the act, it is not the same thing as walking through it as Moses did. There's still no evidence anywhere on earth, even if you accept the biblical account entirely at face value, that any human being can indeed muster up sufficient faith actually to walk on water.

http://www.....

Oh, that's right, if someone else puts your links up you condemn it as spam and threaten to report it, so I'd better edit that one out, eh?

Are you guys and gals catching it how all areas of life are inter connected, whether prophecy, sexuality, science, etc etc..... not segregated as you were taught but integrated together as ONE.

No, but I'm catching on that you understand almost nothing about almost everything, including what I or anyone else here was or was not taught.

 

[Hokulele]

Peter did walk on water, and we shall walk on it or through it once again, just as Moses and the first Children of Israel did.

I can walk on water. In New Hampshire. In January. Outdoors.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I can walk on water. In New Hampshire. In January. Outdoors.

Hokey, me thinks you stood there on the ice too long and are stuck there.

At least mentally. You got to get going bro, we got places to go and things to do, and you keep getting side tracked and stuck and complacent and attached to your staus quo.

Let's get a move on man. There's one sure fire, method of heating up your shoes, so they unstick from the ice. Try it, the ice might turn yellow, but at least you will be free at last, free at LAST.

 

[slingblade]

Oh, shut up.


I mean, really, just shut up.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

My bible says the wind whipped up and he became afraid and started to sink. Nothing about looking down rather than at Jesus. I guess I haven't got the DJJ revise version. So Peter began to walk on the water, and then failed. Nobody has since succeeded. And no matter how cavalierly you redefine the act, it is not the same thing as walking through it as Moses did. There's still no evidence anywhere on earth, even if you accept the biblical account entirely at face value, that any human being can indeed muster up sufficient faith actually to walk on water. Oh, that's right, if someone else puts your links up you condemn it as spam and threaten to report it, so I'd better edit that one out, eh? No, but I'm catching on that you understand almost nothing about almost everything, including what I or anyone else here was or was not taught.

You don't walk on water by whining and complaining about the water or your situation or how your fellows are sinmking as well. You learn by just doing it with FAITH, when necessary and when needed. Not for show but for GO.

Or you can move mountains...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FaithcanliterallymoveMountains.html

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[Darth Rotor]

Oh, shut up.
I mean, really, just shut up.

You do realize that this is David's version of making joyful noise unto the Lord. I suspect he can't carry a tune, so he makes up for it in this manner.

Me, I sing in the shower. It scares the dog less when I confine my baritone brilliance to that acoustic chamber.

DR

 

[cyborg]

You do realize that this is David's version of making joyful noise unto the Lord.

If only they'd spend more time producing some useful signal.

 

[slingblade]

I know this (insert pith) has me on ignore. Don't care. But I would like everyone to note that DJJ just tried to tell us that we could have something nice (i guess) if we have faith in his skyman.

I keep hearing that believing in God so you'll get something good is just a stupid reason to believe. I keep hearing that one shouldn't expect anything like that, that God isn't about giving you stuff.


THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP PROMISING US THESE THINGS?

 

[slingblade]

You do realize that this is David's version of making joyful noise unto the Lord. I suspect he can't carry a tune, so he makes up for it in this manner.

Oh, sweetheart, I know. It wasn't meant for him; he has me on ignore. It was meant to make me feel better, and it did.

Me, I sing in the shower. It scares the dog less when I confine my baritone brilliance to that acoustic chamber.

DR

I bet you sing nicely. I'd listen to ya.

 

[bruto]

I know this (insert pith) has me on ignore. Don't care. But I would like everyone to note that DJJ just tried to tell us that we could have something nice (i guess) if we have faith in his skyman.

I keep hearing that believing in God so you'll get something good is just a stupid reason to believe. I keep hearing that one shouldn't expect anything like that, that God isn't about giving you stuff.


THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP PROMISING US THESE THINGS?

Catch-22. You can have anything you ask for as long as you don't ask for it.

That little incident with the walking on water: DJJ sees it as a promise and even after all these centuries presumes that all it takes is just a little more faith than anybody has had so far. I see it as a typical religious bait-and-switch. Accept the biblical account or reject it, it's a bum deal either way. Jesus had to know perfectly well that Peter would sink. That's the whole point of the lesson. No faith is good enough, no prayer quite good enough to guarantee an answer. As long as the burden is on the faithful to be one step better than they ever can be, the consistent failure of faith to produce any useful work can always be blamed on them.

That's the problem with the Bible. If you don't believe it, it's not much use, but if you do, you have to cope with the evidence that God is a manipulative jerk.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I bet you sing nicely. I'd listen to ya.

My wife seems to disagree, as does my daughter, she of the lovely vocce soprano. So, if you listened, the audience would be two: you and my dog, who loves me no matter how I sing.

DR

 

[Hokulele]

Hokey, me thinks you stood there on the ice too long and are stuck there.

At least mentally. You got to get going bro, we got places to go and things to do, and you keep getting side tracked and stuck and complacent and attached to your staus quo.

Let's get a move on man. There's one sure fire, method of heating up your shoes, so they unstick from the ice. Try it, the ice might turn yellow, but at least you will be free at last, free at LAST.

Not a bro, not a man. Sorry, you are wrong again. However, quoting MLK Jr. is an improvement over the Blue Letter Bible.

 

[Hokulele]

My wife seems to disagree, as does my daughter, she of the lovely vocce soprano. So, if you listened, the audience would be two: you and my dog, who loves me no matter how I sing.

DR

[Simon Cowell] But this is a singing competition. Say "Hello" to the dog for me. [/Simon Cowell]

 

[strathmeyer]

No Strath, I am no different than you or anyone, for we are birds of a common feather, and anyone can KNOW the LORD.

Here's how, plain and simple.

But I can;t do it for you, you have to do it yourself.... in any way you determine. This is just a general guideline...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Salvation.html

Talk to you afterwards...

I see, it's my fault that your Lord has not revealed himself to me, because I have not made him reveal himself to me? Well then can you please tell me how to make him reveal himself to me? Oh, and since you are no different than I am, you can actually only describe how you made your Lord reveal himself to you. That will be enough.

Unfortunately, you seem to shimmy around all real questions, so I can only assume that I will have to continue on not having gotten your Lord to reveal himself to me, nor getting you to describe to me how to do so.

So who is at fault here, you or your Lord?

Oh, wait, you already explained it, it's my fault.

Well, since it's my fault, why won't you help me with my problem?

Oh, right, you are trying to help, by ignoring me and not answering my questions. It's embarrassing that I need this asplained to me so many times.

 

[slingblade]

And if the lord does reveal himself to you, call the cops. That's against the law.

 

[Darth Rotor]

And if the lord does reveal himself to you, call the cops. That's against the law.

So . . . .

The cops are asked to arrest and cuff a non existent being, but they haul strath away for being a loony

or

The cops try to cuff an all powerfull being, which just isn't going to work.

Why do you hate cops?

DR

 

[bruto]

You don't walk on water by whining and complaining about the water or your situation or how your fellows are sinmking as well. You learn by just doing it with FAITH, when necessary and when needed. Not for show but for GO.

Or you can move mountains...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/FaithcanliterallymoveMountains.html

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Which is of course not responsive in any way to what I said. Is there an account of Peter whining or complaining? No. He started walking, the wind whipped up, and he started to sink. What did he do? He called out....to the lord! He had utter faith in Jesus to save him from sinking, but not to prevent him from sinking. There goes that moving goalpost again. And no matter how you slice it or how many times you say it in different ways, that's the last account of anyone even getting that far. Of course you can always say nobody has done it yet simply because either their faith wasn't strong enough or it wasn't really necessary, but unless you can come up with further accounts of successfully completed faith-based walking on water, it is reasonable to conclude that Jesus set a goal nobody could complete, either by demanding unattainable faith or perpetually denying the necessity. All show, no go. Not one person, among the millions of good and devout believers who have perished at sea, has walked ashore to tell the tale. No go. No go at all.

 

[RandFan]

You don't walk on water by whining and complaining about the water or your situation or how your fellows are sinmking as well. You learn by just doing it with FAITH, when necessary and when needed. Not for show but for GO.

Or you can move mountains...

Humans have gone to the Moon, dug the Panama Canal, built the Great Wall of China, the Pyramids, split the atom, unlocked DNA, taken to the sky and performed many feats that were thought impossibe not that long ago.

Faith in the human spirit. Faith in the human mind and a rational view of the world. That's the faith we need.
Xerxes marched his army accross the Hellespont because of his faith in human inginuity and engineering. He didn't need god to walk on water and you don't either.

Stop relying on superstition and join us in the 21st century.