Why church is so dangerous !!!

[bruto]

No, because I have personnally meet the Lord. I know He's REAL. You don't live by FAITH for twenty some years without knowing HIM.

For all you KNOW is that you don't KNOW, and I agree with you, you don't KNOW, and never will know until you meet HIM.

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If that were actually true, it would not be faith that you're talking about, would it?

As it happens, many people live by faith for much longer than 20 years without gaining direct proof of anything or expecting it. That is, after all, what makes it faith. Faith is more than deferred expectation. At least some intelligent people of faith know the difference between faith and insufficient evidence, and live comfortably with the concept that the things they have faith in require faith precisely because they cannot be proven.

What kind of faith demands corroboration? If you lacked the revelatory experiences you report, would you lose your faith? Is there a timetable? Are you sure you even know what faith is, or is this just another word you've redefined to suit your eccentric views?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Davidjayjordan, why do you taunt us like this? Isn't making fun of somebody because you have something and they don't wrong?

If you personally know the Lord is real, why don't you tell us about it? It just seems wrong that you're keeping us all in the dark here. Why would you be so mean to keep it all to yourself?

No Strath, I am no different than you or anyone, for we are birds of a common feather, and anyone can KNOW the LORD.

Here's how, plain and simple.

But I can;t do it for you, you have to do it yourself.... in any way you determine. This is just a general guideline...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Salvation.html

Talk to you afterwards...

 

[Davidjayjordan]

If that were actually true, it would not be faith that you're talking about, would it?

As it happens, many people live by faith for much longer than 20 years without gaining direct proof of anything or expecting it. That is, after all, what makes it faith. Faith is more than deferred expectation. At least some intelligent people of faith know the difference between faith and insufficient evidence, and live comfortably with the concept that the things they have faith in require faith precisely because they cannot be proven.

What kind of faith demands corroboration? If you lacked the revelatory experiences you report, would you lose your faith? Is there a timetable? Are you sure you even know what faith is, or is this just another word you've redefined to suit your eccentric views?

Those with evolutionary athiestic faith go on absolutely no evidence, me, I prefer real results especially when my family's daily bread came from such FAITH. And so real faith produces results... and gets rewarded.

SEE Whole chapter

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr011.html

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

or maybe

SEE How to get real FAITH in a REAL person called Jesus from His real words

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/HowtogetFaith.html

Hoping you get this real FAITH...

 

[Davidjayjordan]

You could put the whole matter to rest by mustering up enough faith to walk on water yourself. You can post the video on Youtube. You'd get the last laugh. All you have to do is what you declare can be done.

Bruto Bruto, our worldly one... the Lord's miracles of walking on water are not done for show but for go... when needed in HIS TIME when no other avenue is available.

Its only done via His SPIRIT and has nothing to do with our power but HIS. How long have I been with you, and still you don;t know the difference. Bruto

 

[The_Fire]

Atheism according to DJJ:

Atheist: Atheism is not a relgion.
DJJ: Yes it is.
Atheist: No it isn't. Atheism is the lack of religion.
DJJ: ATHEISM IS RELIGION BECAUSE I SAY SO!

DJJ and Science:

Scientist: Here are my evidence why evolution took place and why ID is utter Carp.
DJJ: God designed everything.
Scientist: Where are your evidence?
DJJ: My evidence is my faith.
Scientist: Science is not religion.
DJJ: SCIENCE IS RELIGION BECAUSE I SAY SO!
Scientist and Antheist: *Sigh*

 

[RandFan]

Those with evolutionary athiestic faith go on absolutely no evidence, me, I prefer real results especially when my family's daily bread came from such FAITH. And so real faith produces results... and gets rewarded.

So evolutionary scientists who are paid for their contributions to evolution and thereby can feed their family is evidence that they are correct.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It works equally well for Muslims, Mormons, Jews, Gentiles, Satanists, Wiccans, David Koresh, Marshal Applewhite, Jim Jones, etc.

SEE How to get real FAITH in a REAL person called Jesus from His real words

Also called mythology.

Hoping you get this real FAITH...

Every religious person on earth has it. It is what led Cat Stevens to Islam. This so-called "real FAITH" seems to be a function of geography and familial ties.

Why is that?

 

[RandFan]

Bruto Bruto, our worldly one... the Lord's miracles of walking on water are not done for show but for go... when needed in HIS TIME when no other avenue is available.

Its only done via His SPIRIT and has nothing to do with our power but HIS. How long have I been with you, and still you don;t know the difference. Bruto

Then again it is likely just silly superstition. Since it can't be demonstrated it is likely just a tall tale like the one where the prophet Mohamed flew to heaven on a winged horse or some such nonsense.

 

[bruto]

Bruto Bruto, our worldly one... the Lord's miracles of walking on water are not done for show but for go... when needed in HIS TIME when no other avenue is available.

Its only done via His SPIRIT and has nothing to do with our power but HIS. How long have I been with you, and still you don;t know the difference. Bruto

Actually, I seem to recall from the Bible that when Jesus Christ walked on water, it was indeed done for show, specifically to bolster Peter's faith. Maybe you'd better reread that passage. It's in Matthew somewhere. I left my Cruden upstairs, but I'm sure you can find the chapter and verse.

 

[bruto]

Those with evolutionary athiestic faith go on absolutely no evidence, me, I prefer real results especially when my family's daily bread came from such FAITH. And so real faith produces results... and gets rewarded.

SEE Whole chapter

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr011.html

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

or maybe

SEE How to get real FAITH in a REAL person called Jesus from His real words

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/HowtogetFaith.html

Hoping you get this real FAITH...

As usual and as expected, you missed my point entirely.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I'm all for amending the Bible.

Ah, so you're a Mormon?

DR

 

[Foster Zygote]

Ah, so you're a Mormon?

DR

Nope, I'm a Norman.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Actually, I seem to recall from the Bible that when Jesus Christ walked on water, it was indeed done for show, specifically to bolster Peter's faith. Maybe you'd better reread that passage. It's in Matthew somewhere. I left my Cruden upstairs, but I'm sure you can find the chapter and verse.

It wasn't for show, but as a teaching method to Peter and ALL and to us that nothing is impossible if we keep our eyes on the Lord. It was definitely for GOING..

And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me

Mat 14:31And immediately Jesus stretched forth [his] hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

Jesus didn;t do things for show or for pride, but for teaching us that all things are possible for Him and with HIM....

Thanks for that, Bruto !!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Bruto and ALL, you see it is the scribes and pharisees that do things before men, for SHOW to be seen by them for pirde and prestige and position sake. But Jesus said we were to do things for others, even secretly if need be.... just for their sake and not to be seen.


Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,


Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Beware of the evil leaven of the church people, for they love their position in the world to be seen of men.

Run brethren from them, avoid the devoid.... stay free and liberated..... their doctrines will seep into you and they shall try to bind you with the religion of man.

 

[RandFan]

It wasn't for show, but as a teaching method to Peter and ALL and to us that nothing is impossible if we keep our eyes on the Lord.

The problem is that it can't be replicated. It's just a story, like Mohammad's winged horse. You don't believe Mohammad's story but you believe this one. Both are silly magical thinking without ANY evidence whatsoever. You are just selective in which mythology you choose to believe. Please note that the mythologies that people believe are a function of geography and familial ties.

Why?

FACT: If there is a god, and he/she has a plan of salvation that is found in Christian theology then god's plan of salvation is arbitrary.

That is not an arguable position for a reasonable person.

How can a just and merciful god be arbitrary?

More questions for you to ignore Djj.

 

[RandFan]

Run brethren from them, avoid the devoid.... stay free and liberated..... their doctrines will seep into you and they shall try to bind you with the religion of man.

All religions are religions of men. All enslave.

Question: If I hold a gun to your head and tell you that you are free to do whatever you want but I will shoot you if you don't do what I say, are you free?

Question: If god holds hell over your head and tells you that you are free to do whatever you want but you will suffer for all eternity if you don't do as he says, are you free?

Answer: No and No.

It's comforting to know that there is no valid reason to believe in such an arbitrary and capricious being.

Thank goodness.

 

[bruto]

It wasn't for show, but as a teaching method...<snip>

You contradict yourself in the first sentence.

And the fact remains that not even Peter could replicate the feat, and nobody has since. Walking on water remains an unattainable ideal, and because of this, your statement that anybody can do it with enough faith remains entirely speculative until somebody proves that there is such a thing as enough faith to do it.

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Those hard wooden pews are dangerous to my back.

 

[supercorgi]

the logic and reason of my threads

 

[Kochanski]

The only truly dangerous thing around here is drinking anything while reading DJJ's posts.Fluid in keyboards is nasty business

 

[Jesus Baby Daddy]

Can you remember way back in grade school...
Sometimes you'd see a group of students in the hall standing around a "special" kid and laughing. The "special" kid is telling funny stories and laughing and thinking he's entertaining the whole group of kids. What he doesn't realize is that the kids arn't laughing at his jokes, but at him.
This whole thread has given me that feeling.