Why church is so dangerous !!!

[Davidjayjordan]

Because as mentioned a lot of atheists understand many truths and have rejected many lies and are trying to live outside the dam rules and dogmas of system education and worldly CHURCHES, allow me to possibly help in any and ALL being able to rejecvt churchianity in the hopes they can keep an OPEN MIND to integrative knowledge and DESIGN by the DESIGNER, with the ultimate aim of integrating not just principles but people in love and wisdom.

(From http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhyChurchesaresodangerous.html )

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[SIZE=-1]Churches and church people are not supposed to be dangerous. Right? Well not so, as Jesus’ own life verified. For who had the Lord of Lord crucified? Who secretly plotted to take him at night and secretly had a mock trial before the religious elders? And then who delivered him up to the Romans out of jealousy because he was teaching about a freedom that they couldn’t give the people?

Yea, Yea, but the Christian church is different aren’t they? Well yes, some of them within are surely the Lord’s sheep trapped in a religious system that they just can’t escape out of. But NO, the Christian church as a whole has become part of the world and part of the system itself. I mean this happened way back in the 5th century AD when the Roman emperor got converted and made the Christian religion the mandatory religion of the state.

And ever since then, the large church systems of this world have been oppressing the Lord’s sheep around the world and been instigators of not only horrible atrocities, wars and inquisitions, but the perpetrators of individual crimes against humanity.Sure they have done some good, and spread some truth around the world, and some of their missionaries who were truly Christian have done a great job in reaching the lost. But the vast majority have just been teaching Western values and church values rather than the principles of love, equality and freedom that the Lord taught.

And it is these church people and their hierarchy that have fought the Lord’s true sheep and shepherds ever since the beginning of time. How can I say this….Well didn’t ever the faithful martyr Stephen say this before the church religionists killed him

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ACTS 7: 51-54 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
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Jesus and all the Lord’s disciples taught that keeping the law was not enough to fulfill the law and that only God’s love could free us. And because this goes against the religious dogma of the holiness people of all ages, they have and will get angry as hell and even gnash with their teeth against those that teach about Grace of God.

How do I know, I had a pastor foam at the mouth in opposition to the tracts I was passing out, and then slug me, before his followers dragged him away. And it is these same sort of people who had me jailed three times for my missionary work because I wasn’t part of a recognized Christian church.

The Wiccans or New Agers didn’t try to throw me off a three story balconey, church people did, and they were supposed to be my own brethren in the Lord. So why are they dangerous, because when push comes to shove verbally and doctrinially they will call the system to put you away. They will call the Romans and accuse you of some trumpted up charge because they are of the system and think they break no laws and are totally righteous in the eyes of the world…without sin nor quile....and will use the system to stop your witnessing of religious truths

For the Lord himself said "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The time cometh that whosever killeth you, will think that he doeth God service. (John 16; 1) And they will "deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake, (Mathew 24: 9). They "are from beneath, I am from above, (they) are of this world, I am not of this world. If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed, And ye shall know the TRUTH and the Truth shall set you free. (John 8: 23,31,32)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

But the vast majority of church peopledon't want the truth because they are of the world and trust in the world and its systems rather than in the Lord and His justice.So are the churches dangerous, Yes. So if any dare to win anyone from a church to the truths of the Lord, it is very dangerous, for only the Lord can ever reach anyone in any fold and it will always take a total miracle by Him to reach His Sheep.

In My Opinion from Scriptures and true Life Experiences

David Jay Jordan

PS) But as with all cases we have to give each and every one a chance and not label them automatically just because they go to church or are trapped in a church, we all have been trapped in some sort of system or another, so we have to have patience with all individually until they prove otherwise. But as for the religious worldly church system ... it is hopeless as the Lord said.... IMO [/SIZE]

 

[c4ts]

Let that be a lesson to you, kids. Foreskins on the heart and ears mark your own deaths.

 

[Moochie]

Oh my, DJJ is surely going to hebben...

M.

 

[prewitt81]

Because as mentioned a lot of atheists understand many truths and have rejected many lies and are trying to live outside the dam rules and dogmas of system education and worldly CHURCHES, allow me to possibly help in any and ALL being able to rejecvt churchianity in the hopes they can keep an OPEN MIND to integrative knowledge and DESIGN by the DESIGNER, with the ultimate aim of integrating not just principles but people in love and wisdom.

(From http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...dangerous.html )

Why Churches are so Dangerous[SIZE=+1]


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[SIZE=-1]Churches and church people are not supposed to be dangerous. Right? Well not so, as Jesus’ own life verified. For who had the Lord of Lord crucified? Who secretly plotted to take him at night and secretly had a mock trial before the religious elders? And then who delivered him up to the Romans out of jealousy because he was teaching about a freedom that they couldn’t give the people?

Yea, Yea, but the Christian church is different aren’t they? Well yes, some of them within are surely the Lord’s sheep trapped in a religious system that they just can’t escape out of. But NO, the Christian church as a whole has become part of the world and part of the system itself. I mean this happened way back in the 5th century AD when the Roman emperor got converted and made the Christian religion the mandatory religion of the state.

And ever since then, the large church systems of this world have been oppressing the Lord’s sheep around the world and been instigators of not only horrible atrocities, wars and inquisitions, but the perpetrators of individual crimes against humanity.Sure they have done some good, and spread some truth around the world, and some of their missionaries who were truly Christian have done a great job in reaching the lost. But the vast majority have just been teaching Western values and church values rather than the principles of love, equality and freedom that the Lord taught.

And it is these church people and their hierarchy that have fought the Lord’s true sheep and shepherds ever since the beginning of time. How can I say this….Well didn’t ever the faithful martyr Stephen say this before the church religionists killed him

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ACTS 7: 51-54 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
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Jesus and all the Lord’s disciples taught that keeping the law was not enough to fulfill the law and that only God’s love could free us. And because this goes against the religious dogma of the holiness people of all ages, they have and will get angry as hell and even gnash with their teeth against those that teach about Grace of God.

How do I know, I had a pastor foam at the mouth in opposition to the tracts I was passing out, and then slug me, before his followers dragged him away. And it is these same sort of people who had me jailed three times for my missionary work because I wasn’t part of a recognized Christian church.

The Wiccans or New Agers didn’t try to throw me off a three story balconey, church people did, and they were supposed to be my own brethren in the Lord. So why are they dangerous, because when push comes to shove verbally and doctrinially they will call the system to put you away. They will call the Romans and accuse you of some trumpted up charge because they are of the system and think they break no laws and are totally righteous in the eyes of the world…without sin nor quile....and will use the system to stop your witnessing of religious truths

For the Lord himself said "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The time cometh that whosever killeth you, will think that he doeth God service. (John 16; 1) And they will "deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake, (Mathew 24: 9). They "are from beneath, I am from above, (they) are of this world, I am not of this world. If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed, And ye shall know the TRUTH and the Truth shall set you free. (John 8: 23,31,32)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

But the vast majority of church peopledon't want the truth because they are of the world and trust in the world and its systems rather than in the Lord and His justice.So are the churches dangerous, Yes. So if any dare to win anyone from a church to the truths of the Lord, it is very dangerous, for only the Lord can ever reach anyone in any fold and it will always take a total miracle by Him to reach His Sheep.

In My Opinion from Scriptures and true Life Experiences

David Jay Jordan

PS) But as with all cases we have to give each and every one a chance and not label them automatically just because they go to church or are trapped in a church, we all have been trapped in some sort of system or another, so we have to have patience with all individually until they prove otherwise. But as for the religious worldly church system ... it is hopeless as the Lord said.... IMO

[/SIZE]Nope

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Prewitt, please reframe from posting on my threads, as all you say is NOPE. And you have done it consistently about four times now.

Are you sure you are all there.

You obviously have apparrently a right to POST, but I thought there was suppose to be some type of appropriate response of some kind, rather than NOPE. Maybe you have been in the church system too much, and have turned into a zombie and shallow because they demand thast their pew sitters not think, not question and not live out what they aren't living out.

 

[Terry]

Prewitt, please reframe from posting on my threads, as all you say is NOPE. And you have done it consistently about four times now.

Are you sure you are all there.

You obviously have apparrently a right to POST, but I thought there was suppose to be some type of appropriate response of some kind, rather than NOPE. Maybe you have been in the church system too much, and have turned into a zombie and shallow because they demand thast their pew sitters not think, not question and not live out what they aren't living out.

Nope.

 

[prewitt81]

Prewitt, please refraime from psoting on my threads, as all you say is NOPE. And you have done it consistently about four times now.

Are you sure you are all there.

You obviously have apparrently a right to POST, but I thought there was suppose to be some type of appropriate response of some kind, rather than NOPE. Maybe you have been in the church system too much, and have turned into a zombie and shallow because they demand thast their pew sitters not think, not question and not live out what they aren't living out.

That's the only appropriate response to anything you say.

 

[jimlintott]

Because as mentioned a lot of atheists understand many truths and have rejected many lies and are trying to live outside the dam rules and dogmas of system education and worldly CHURCHES, allow me to possibly help in any and ALL being able to rejecvt churchianity in the hopes they can keep an OPEN MIND to integrative knowledge and DESIGN by the DESIGNER, with the ultimate aim of integrating not just principles but people in love and wisdom.

Wow.

How often do you get to read a sentence like that? I mean it is so long and so totally devoid of any meaning. This guy might be a politician.

Writing tip: If you are going to start a sentence with "Because as mentioned" you may want to have actually mentioned something and give context for the "because".

On the upside "churchianity" seems like a fun word.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

No Jim, life is not a word game, and churchianity is not a fun word nor a fun occupation or fun to be IN. It is deadly serious as it has killed thousands and millions physically and spiritually, and so it is not something to treat frivilously and superficially.

Try to be more serious and deep, in your writings Jim. or maybe that is just the way you are. Hopefully not, as I shall give you the benefit of the doubt to start with.

Churches kill ... they are dangerous, even if you all like them and approve of them.

 

[baron]

Churches aren't dangerous.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Prewitt, please reframe from posting on my threads,

If you will refrain from posting illiterate drivel, I am sure Prewitt will refrain from terse responses to diarrhea of the keyboard.

Because as mentioned a lot of atheists understand many truths and have rejected many lies and are trying to live outside the dam rules and dogmas of system education and worldly CHURCHES, allow me to possibly help in any and ALL being able to rejecvt churchianity in the hopes they can keep an OPEN MIND to integrative knowledge and DESIGN by the DESIGNER, with the ultimate aim of integrating not just principles but people in love and wisdom.

You have marked yourself with the number of the Braindead Beast. His number is your post count.

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

Churches aren't dangerous.

Maybe not, but cathedrals can be.

Four dead, killed by Il Duomo San Franceso di Assisi in 1997.

Part of the basilica's vaulted ceiling collapsed during the second jolt, and three bodies were removed from the rubble. A fourth body was still inside, said police official Rita Gaschella. At least two of the dead were Franciscan friars.

DR

 

[jimlintott]

Churches aren't dangerous. People are dangerous. An idea is benign until some person decides to act on it.

A church can only be as dangerous as the people in it.

The track record of the people who make up the churches is mixed. Which only goes to show that there is no such thing as a divinely inspired moral compass. Simply people acting on their own free will.

 

[steverino]

DavidJayJesusJordan- I love your website. It's amazing and seductive. I like how you use your partner, Trixie, as a "cock-tease" devise to get us interested in the Lord's messages, as you see them.
You are a true Willie Loman.

 

[Myriad]

David, either your revelations about the true nature of divinity ("integtrative knowledge of design and the designer," etc.) are self-evident, or they are not.

If they are self-evident, then there is no need for you to reveal them.

If they're not self-evident, but you cannot convince anyone to believe them, then you are wasting your time.

If you can convince anyone, that makes you a church. Which you say is dangerous.

Therefore, by your own premises, you are either irrelevant or dangerous.

But so what? All means by which humans unite in common cause are dangerous, because humans united in common cause are dangerous. Churches are dangerous. Political parties are dangerous. Government are dangerous. Armies are dangerous. Corporations are dangerous. Schools are dangerous. Police forces are dangerous. Fan clubs are dangerous. Research labs are dangerous. Educational foundations are dangerous.

Deal with it. Because the alternative, the absence of all human society whatsoever, is dangerous.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Ducky]

Because as mentioned a lot of atheists understand many truths and have rejected many lies and are trying to live outside the dam rules and dogmas of system education and worldly CHURCHES, allow me to possibly help in any and ALL being able to rejecvt churchianity in the hopes they can keep an OPEN MIND to integrative knowledge and DESIGN by the DESIGNER, with the ultimate aim of integrating not just principles but people in love and wisdom.

(From http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/WhyChurchesaresodangerous.html )

Why Churches are so Dangerous[SIZE=+1]


[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Churches and church people are not supposed to be dangerous. Right? Well not so, as Jesus’ own life verified. For who had the Lord of Lord crucified? Who secretly plotted to take him at night and secretly had a mock trial before the religious elders? And then who delivered him up to the Romans out of jealousy because he was teaching about a freedom that they couldn’t give the people?

Yea, Yea, but the Christian church is different aren’t they? Well yes, some of them within are surely the Lord’s sheep trapped in a religious system that they just can’t escape out of. But NO, the Christian church as a whole has become part of the world and part of the system itself. I mean this happened way back in the 5th century AD when the Roman emperor got converted and made the Christian religion the mandatory religion of the state.

And ever since then, the large church systems of this world have been oppressing the Lord’s sheep around the world and been instigators of not only horrible atrocities, wars and inquisitions, but the perpetrators of individual crimes against humanity.Sure they have done some good, and spread some truth around the world, and some of their missionaries who were truly Christian have done a great job in reaching the lost. But the vast majority have just been teaching Western values and church values rather than the principles of love, equality and freedom that the Lord taught.

And it is these church people and their hierarchy that have fought the Lord’s true sheep and shepherds ever since the beginning of time. How can I say this….Well didn’t ever the faithful martyr Stephen say this before the church religionists killed him

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ACTS 7: 51-54 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
Jesus and all the Lord’s disciples taught that keeping the law was not enough to fulfill the law and that only God’s love could free us. And because this goes against the religious dogma of the holiness people of all ages, they have and will get angry as hell and even gnash with their teeth against those that teach about Grace of God.

How do I know, I had a pastor foam at the mouth in opposition to the tracts I was passing out, and then slug me, before his followers dragged him away. And it is these same sort of people who had me jailed three times for my missionary work because I wasn’t part of a recognized Christian church.

The Wiccans or New Agers didn’t try to throw me off a three story balconey, church people did, and they were supposed to be my own brethren in the Lord. So why are they dangerous, because when push comes to shove verbally and doctrinially they will call the system to put you away. They will call the Romans and accuse you of some trumpted up charge because they are of the system and think they break no laws and are totally righteous in the eyes of the world…without sin nor quile....and will use the system to stop your witnessing of religious truths

For the Lord himself said "[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The time cometh that whosever killeth you, will think that he doeth God service. (John 16; 1) And they will "deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake, (Mathew 24: 9). They "are from beneath, I am from above, (they) are of this world, I am not of this world. If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed, And ye shall know the TRUTH and the Truth shall set you free. (John 8: 23,31,32)[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

But the vast majority of church peopledon't want the truth because they are of the world and trust in the world and its systems rather than in the Lord and His justice.So are the churches dangerous, Yes. So if any dare to win anyone from a church to the truths of the Lord, it is very dangerous, for only the Lord can ever reach anyone in any fold and it will always take a total miracle by Him to reach His Sheep.

In My Opinion from Scriptures and true Life Experiences

David Jay Jordan

PS) But as with all cases we have to give each and every one a chance and not label them automatically just because they go to church or are trapped in a church, we all have been trapped in some sort of system or another, so we have to have patience with all individually until they prove otherwise. But as for the religious worldly church system ... it is hopeless as the Lord said.... IMO [/SIZE]

Nope.

 

[Darth Rotor]

David, either your revelations about the true nature of divinity ("integtrative knowledge of design and the designer," etc.) are self-evident, or they are not.

If they are self-evident, then there is no need for you to reveal them.

If they're not self-evident, but you cannot convince anyone to believe them, then you are wasting your time.

If you can convince anyone, that makes you a church. Which you say is dangerous.

Therefore, by your own premises, you are either irrelevant or dangerous.

But so what? All means by which humans unite in common cause are dangerous, because humans united in common cause are dangerous. Churches are dangerous. Political parties are dangerous. Government are dangerous. Armies are dangerous. Corporations are dangerous. Schools are dangerous. Police forces are dangerous. Fan clubs are dangerous. Research labs are dangerous. Educational foundations are dangerous.

Deal with it. Because the alternative, the absence of all human society whatsoever, is dangerous.

Respectfully,
Myriad

*claps*

DR

 

[Steve]

Churches kill ... they are dangerous, even if you all like them and approve of them.

I was actually in a church as recently as last June. My daughter's preschool was in one and they had a "graduation ceremony" for the kids. I saw no dead people there and I am quite sure that no-one died during the ceremony or during the following reception, so you must be wrong.

 

[fuelair]

Prewitt, please reframe from posting on my threads, as all you say is NOPE. And you have done it consistently about four times now.

Are you sure you are all there.

You obviously have apparrently a right to POST, but I thought there was suppose to be some type of appropriate response of some kind, rather than NOPE. Maybe you have been in the church system too much, and have turned into a zombie and shallow because they demand thast their pew sitters not think, not question and not live out what they aren't living out.

Are you a sock puppet by chance - only two people I have seen on this try to tell others how to post on their threads. You do not get to tell anybody how to post as long as they are following JREF rules and you are trolling. Have an interesting day and suck it up!!

The only appropriate response to poor concepts, poor thinking and or abject (silliness) is exactly what you are getting or DFTT.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Churches aren't dangerous. People are dangerous. An idea is benign until some person decides to act on it.

A church can only be as dangerous as the people in it.

The track record of the people who make up the churches is mixed. Which only goes to show that there is no such thing as a divinely inspired moral compass. Simply people acting on their own free will.

Jim me thinks you are naive as to how churches work, for a pastor or minister is not free to be an individual but must speak and teach the praty line just as in politics.

Any deviation will lead instantly to excommunication and a career will be lost forever. Free will is not an ideal for pastors nor for the congregation and hence they must all follow or be kicked out or have private secret lives on the outside.

On this Jim, I may have a lot more experience than yourself.

Thay have done some pretty vicious things to me..... that endangered my life, as well as imprisoning me. They are vile and hateful and HATE FREE WILL. Trust me on this or go to church and find out how they manipulate.