Why church is so dangerous !!!

[RandFan]

Rand, I see you are a missionary for your religion of nothingness and anti-biblical dogma. You are dedicating yourself more and more into trying to wreck the logic and reason of my threads...

Logic? Reason? Where? I see scripture quoting and preaching. This is a skeptics forum. Can you post an argument or offer something substantive?

So I may have to avoid responding to you...

Whatever dude.

...but as a supposed poster HERE, you can try to marshall your forces and your congregation with more accussations against me and the Lord. Your choice, your repsonsibility.

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[Kopji]

Just so nobody is confused... I am the one who has seen too many lives destroyed and wasted by listening to this kind of stuff to ever believe it again.

I once did, but it only leads one place - to the sacrifice of innocent lives to power the engine of 'spiritual authority' to serve the demands and whims of what is ultimately a lie designed to keep certain people in power, and others enslaved.

Yeah, I am lost. Yeah there are many who are smarter than I am, or write better, or sometimes even make more sense.

But those who believe God speaks to them, or call themselves more holy or revered than anyone else - that we should follow you - do not expect to preach here freely, to attract more innocent people to your distorted, dying, and narcissistic world.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Just so nobody is confused... I am the one who has seen too many lives destroyed and wasted by listening to this kind of stuff to ever believe it again.(((Learn to discern between Jesus and true principles and the man made dogma of the controlling religuious systems of this world. It takes discernment)))

I once did, but it only leads one place - to the sacrifice of innocent lives to power the engine of 'spiritual authority' to serve the demands and whims of what is ultimately a lie designed to keep certain people in power, and others enslaved. (((Exactly AMEN, AMEN... fight the bastards as Jesus did and liberate people to true liberation and freedom through Him...and stay away from changing rejection of the church system with acceptance of other political, institutional cults of domination and xontrol)))

Yeah, I am lost. Yeah there are many who are smarter than I am, or write better, or sometimes even make more sense. (((Not in this case, you are waxing poetic and TRUE, just add a little more discernment and you can help many people)))

But those who believe God speaks to them, or call themselves more holy or revered than anyone else (((AMEN, preach it brother, those dam bastards that think they are more righteous than others, are the dam scribes and pypocrites that keep arguing and eventually plotting to kill Jesus. Forget the self righteous and find the humble and caring and loving and hunmouress , the natural and the nirmal and the spiritual)))- that we should follow you - do not expect to preach here freely, to attract more innocent people to your distorted, dying, and narcissistic world.

(((But I am not into control or domination, but just the principles of love and freedom that only jesus and his spirit of love can achieve. So you are very very close Kopji, at l;east you hate the church system and see how dangerous it is. Good on you, you are half way theres. You know the negative, now discern and stand for the positive... LOVE and FREEDOM))))

 

[jond]

(((But I am not into control or domination, but just the principles of love and freedom that only jesus and his spirit of love can achieve. So you are very very close Kopji, at l;east you hate the church system and see how dangerous it is. Good on you, you are half way theres. You know the negative, now discern and stand for the positive... LOVE and FREEDOM))))

And yet you seek followers. How do you rationalize that? "Think for yourself, as long as you believe everything I say (even when my facts are incorrect)." Everyone who doesn't follow you is in a cult, but those who do are not? Is the ANY chance you might be wrong?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

And yet you seek followers. How do you rationalize that? "Think for yourself, as long as you believe everything I say (even when my facts are incorrect)." Everyone who doesn't follow you is in a cult, but those who do are not? Is the ANY chance you might be wrong?

Don't follow me, follow the Lord.

I am not supernatural, just a natural, normal, spiritual person like all of us.
Following a man will get you no where, following the Lord will get you somewhere. Didn;t you know this JOND. How long have I been with you and still you don;t know you have to think for yourself and follow by your own personal conviction and be a man and a woman with real conviction and courage.

Yes stop following the cults and nationalism and personal pride, follow the truths that get you somewhere.

SEE who will you follow.. http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Whowillyoufollow.html

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[SIZE=-1]I[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n the End-time, who are you going to follow, because you are not going to go through such Tribulation alone and by yourself. Scripturally, the Lord shall gather us and lead us, via His Two Witnesses. This because the Lord's End-time movement will consolidate the '[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Forsaken[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]' and outcasts of the LORD into a nation born in a day ( the day the A.C. claims himself to be God ). So who are you going to follow?

Will you select a church pastor, a born again President, or an internet guru. The choice is yours, but rest assured, you will make a choice one way or the other. For even if you decide to fight the A.C. single-handedly, you will have to make choices and decisions, alone and only according to your own personal [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Faith[/SIZE][SIZE=-1].. For you and your family whether in a group or church surely won't survive more than a month or so, living and working, and witnessing within the A.C. dastardly world government. The A.C. will force you to decide. It's either take His MARK or die ? Straight forward and simple, and you better not take his MARK !!!

If you understand that the Lord will not forsake us and leave us without leadership in the End Time, then what kind of leadership will you follow ? It will have to be strong leadership, and that leadership will not be chosen by groupie group consensus according to a popularity poll or voted on by the masses, unless that is what you are used to. So if you like playing it safe when it will cost you your life, so be it ... that's probably how you have decided almost everything before that time anyway.

But my parameters for who I will be following will be extremely precise. I want to make sure who and what principles my eternal soul and eternal life are going for. For if two candidates or witnesses, don't have the Power of Revelation’s [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Two Witnesses[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], then I say forget them. If they are con artists like most pastors, leaders, politicians, rabbi's and imman's, then forget them. If they can't set the captives free literally, forget them. If they can't give sight to the blind, like Isaiah prophesied, of what value are they? No more milk and toast, word manglers for me, even if they smile from one ear to another, with pre-arranged questions and supposed answers.

And I for one, won't follow anyone that is a horrible physical example. But from scriptures, I am looking for a warrior King Arthur or a Xena dictated by ancient prophecies from the Dead Sea Scrolls to ancient myths to Biblical prophets. Because if they don't have it physically and can't lead us into battle like Gideon did, forget them. I want proof of their spiritually and proof of their physical strength in the real world or forget it.

If they don't have the literal ROD and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Staff of the Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=-1],[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] what good are they? If they don't find the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]GRAIL[/SIZE][SIZE=-1], how are they going to provide? If they don't recover the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Ark and the Tabernacle[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] as stated by Maccabies, how in Heaven's Name, can they call down the power of God for our protectlon? For How can the Lord’s Spirit protect us and surround us, unless He himself this time selects our leadership and we follow them ?

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[RandFan]

(((But I am not into control or domination, but just the principles of love and freedom that only jesus and his spirit of love can achieve. So you are very very close Kopji, at l;east you hate the church system and see how dangerous it is. Good on you, you are half way theres. You know the negative, now discern and stand for the positive... LOVE and FREEDOM))))

"Love and freedom"?

Really?

• How much love was it for god to drown babies?
• How much love was it for Moses to order his men to kill children?
• How much love was it for prophets to declare women unclean because of a biological process associated with reproduction?
• How does freedom come into play when the bible condones slavery in both the OT and NT?
• How does freedom come into play when women are subjugated to men?

Inquiring minds would love to know.

 

[RandFan]

Yes stop following the cults and nationalism and personal pride, follow the truths that get you somewhere.

You are a member of a cult. You give your free will over to faith. You suspend disbelief and critical thinking to bronze age ideas.

People don't walk on water.
People can't turn water into wine through supernatural means.

To believe these things is to suspend critical thinking and skepticism.

 

[jond]

Don't follow me, follow the Lord.

I am not supernatural, just a natural, normal, spiritual person like all of us.
Following a man will get you no where, following the Lord will get you somewhere. Didn;t you know this JOND. How long have I been with you and still you don;t know you have to think for yourself and follow by your own personal conviction and be a man and a woman with real conviction and courage.

Yes stop following the cults and nationalism and personal pride, follow the truths that get you somewhere.

SEE who will you follow.. http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Whowillyoufollow.html

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I DO think for myself, which is why I'm certainly not going to follow you, or your insane notion of the Lord.

And you still haven't answered if there's ANY chance you might be wrong.

 

[Darth Rotor]

[*]How does freedom come into play when the Constitution condones slavery ?
[*]How does freedom come into play when women don't get a vote.

I might ask the same question in 1830.

As a further data point apropos of not much, consider who got elected in the first presidential election after the XIXth Amendment was passed.

Warren G Harding.

DR

 

[Foster Zygote]

I might ask the same question in 1830.

As a further data point apropos of not much, consider who got elected in the first presidential election after the XIXth Amendment was passed.

Warren G Harding.

DR

I'm all for amending the Bible.

 

[strathmeyer]

Strath, seeing I have taught you a number of phrases and concepts.... including the real world, and the difference between false and true skeptics, let me teach you the usual discussion board rules.

I am not sorry that I have ideas and opinions.

You're a pretty bad teacher, because I sure haven't learned anything. Consider how I seem to be constantly asking you questions, I don't think it's me... I think it's you. (Again these are subjective. They are opinions. I'm sorry that this is hard for you to deal with. Perhaps you could try reading slower? (It appears that you already skip whole paragraphs!))

Why don't you sum up for me, right here, what 'false skeptic' means and what 'real world' means. That way, it will be clear to everyone how ignorant I am; you will be able to point out your reply to this post, where you made everything so clear yet I was much too dumb to understand.

And I'm glad to let you know that there are no such discussion board rules.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I DO think for myself, which is why I'm certainly not going to follow you, or your insane notion of the Lord.

And you still haven't answered if there's ANY chance you might be wrong.

No, because I have personnally meet the Lord. I know He's REAL. You don't live by FAITH for twenty some years without knowing HIM.

For all you KNOW is that you don't KNOW, and I agree with you, you don't KNOW, and never will know until you meet HIM.

.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

People don't walk on water.
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[SIZE=-1]No one can walk on water ? Oh Yes Jesus did and Yes we can if the situation is right. All we need is faith like Peter had when keeping his eyes on Jesus. But now let's prove it from a scientific standpoint, because as we can find out plants can actually hear. They literally feel vibrations whether good or bad and react accordingly. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Music increases productivity[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) For it is no coincident that when the Lord cursed the fig tree that should have been producing it withered and died. The Lord's voice killed it, just as the Lord's voice can bring things alive as he did with Lazarus. For its the Lord's voice that created everything according to His Word in His Name. So when he spoke to the water, when the Lord spoke to the elements, they literally have to obey because they by design must obey the Lord. It isn't a possibility but an absolute commandment.

And we by the Lord's power have this exact same power to change the elements. We can change the weather, because it is subject to the Lord if we have the faith and it is in accordance with the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Lord's Will[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. if needs be we can change the weather straight-forward and simple. I can't, but at least I know it's possible and probable. I know that we have the power to move mountains and I don't mean mole hills, because by sacred geometry size does not matter, because by the golden section there is a multiplying of power outwards.

This is why the golden section is so powerful in its reproduction. You don't have to compare sizes and strengths only have a pure seed of real faith. Perfect [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Faith[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] without fear is all it takes, it's not pretense or show but just simple faith in the Lord's absolute power...and your faith must work because its the law of God and Nature.

And as the GOOD BOOK says 'All things hear His voice, they hear the vibrations that go to their core whether they are human, animals, vegetation, minerals, rocks, living or supposedly non-living because all things are really alive when it comes down to it. Everything is a vibration, all atoms are composed of sub-atomic particles, electrons protons that aren't static but moving and revolving and spiraling and vibrating. They respond to the Lord's vibration and they must obey because the microcosm is just as submissive to the Lord as the macrocosm. For if our prayers like Joshua's can literally stop the Sun from going down, then literally in the microcosm the same is true as well.

"On Earth as it is done in heaven", no difference, for all things are under the lord's command, and the Lord himself has told us to "COMMAND YE ME" (Isaiah 45: 11,12) SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Prophesying is Commanding[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] We are told to command the Lord concerning the works of His hands. In other words we are suppose to command the Lord in faith, to change His Creation to help us win the world for the Lord, or fight for the Lord as did Joshua. The power is still on and is suppose to be more powerful in the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]End-Time[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] rather than in the beginning. In the End-Time we will have to be able to 'literally walk on the water, not all the time but in my opinion sometimes.' When needed, we need to walk in faith just like Peter did.

It's not a pipe dream but a real life up-coming reality

In His Service

David Jay Jordan
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[RandFan]

I might ask the same question in 1830.

As a further data point apropos of not much, consider who got elected in the first presidential election after the XIXth Amendment was passed.

Warren G Harding.

DR

That's perfectly fine given that the bible isn't absolutely the inspired word of god.

I'm willing to judge the founding fathers and the writers of the bible given the times they lived. I'm not willing to do that if it is alleged that the bible is literal and without error.

 

[Hokulele]

People don't walk on water.

[SIZE=-1]No one can walk on water ? Oh Yes Jesus did and Yes we can if the situation is right. All we need is faith like Peter had when keeping his eyes on Jesus. But now let's prove it from a scientific standpoint, because as we can find out plants can actually hear. They literally feel vibrations whether good or bad and react accordingly.[/SIZE]

[a bunch of random blather]

How do you get from plants being able to hear (wrong), to people walking on water (wrong, unless it is frozen)?

 

[RandFan]

It's not a pipe dream but a real life up-coming reality

Why should anyone believe that this is so?

 

[bruto]

People don't walk on water.
quote]

((Excerpt))


[SIZE=-1]No one can walk on water ? Oh Yes Jesus did and Yes we can if the situation is right. All we need is faith like Peter had when keeping his eyes on Jesus. But now let's prove it from a scientific standpoint, because as we can find out plants can actually hear. They literally feel vibrations whether good or bad and react accordingly. (SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Music increases productivity[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) For it is no coincident that when the Lord cursed the fig tree that should have been producing it withered and died. The Lord's voice killed it, just as the Lord's voice can bring things alive as he did with Lazarus. For its the Lord's voice that created everything according to His Word in His Name. So when he spoke to the water, when the Lord spoke to the elements, they literally have to obey because they by design must obey the Lord. It isn't a possibility but an absolute commandment.

And we by the Lord's power have this exact same power to change the elements. We can change the weather, because it is subject to the Lord if we have the faith and it is in accordance with the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Lord's Will[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. if needs be we can change the weather straight-forward and simple. I can't, but at least I know it's possible and probable. I know that we have the power to move mountains and I don't mean mole hills, because by sacred geometry size does not matter, because by the golden section there is a multiplying of power outwards.

This is why the golden section is so powerful in its reproduction. You don't have to compare sizes and strengths only have a pure seed of real faith. Perfect [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Faith[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] without fear is all it takes, it's not pretense or show but just simple faith in the Lord's absolute power...and your faith must work because its the law of God and Nature.

And as the GOOD BOOK says 'All things hear His voice, they hear the vibrations that go to their core whether they are human, animals, vegetation, minerals, rocks, living or supposedly non-living because all things are really alive when it comes down to it. Everything is a vibration, all atoms are composed of sub-atomic particles, electrons protons that aren't static but moving and revolving and spiraling and vibrating. They respond to the Lord's vibration and they must obey because the microcosm is just as submissive to the Lord as the macrocosm. For if our prayers like Joshua's can literally stop the Sun from going down, then literally in the microcosm the same is true as well.

"On Earth as it is done in heaven", no difference, for all things are under the lord's command, and the Lord himself has told us to "COMMAND YE ME" (Isaiah 45: 11,12) SEE [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Prophesying is Commanding[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] We are told to command the Lord concerning the works of His hands. In other words we are suppose to command the Lord in faith, to change His Creation to help us win the world for the Lord, or fight for the Lord as did Joshua. The power is still on and is suppose to be more powerful in the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]End-Time[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] rather than in the beginning. In the End-Time we will have to be able to 'literally walk on the water, not all the time but in my opinion sometimes.' When needed, we need to walk in faith just like Peter did.

It's not a pipe dream but a real life up-coming reality

In His Service

David Jay Jordan
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You could put the whole matter to rest by mustering up enough faith to walk on water yourself. You can post the video on Youtube. You'd get the last laugh. All you have to do is what you declare can be done.

 

[slingblade]

And there's the beauty of it, too.

As long as it's in the future, as long as it's an "up-coming," non-dated, vaguely-about-to-happen event, he can't be wrong!

Genius!

 

[strathmeyer]

No, because I have personnally meet the Lord. I know He's REAL. You don't live by FAITH for twenty some years without knowing HIM.

For all you KNOW is that you don't KNOW, and I agree with you, you don't KNOW, and never will know until you meet HIM.

Davidjayjordan, why do you taunt us like this? Isn't making fun of somebody because you have something and they don't wrong?

If you personally know the Lord is real, why don't you tell us about it? It just seems wrong that you're keeping us all in the dark here. Why would you be so mean to keep it all to yourself?

 

[jond]

No, because I have personnally meet the Lord. I know He's REAL. You don't live by FAITH for twenty some years without knowing HIM.

For all you KNOW is that you don't KNOW, and I agree with you, you don't KNOW, and never will know until you meet HIM.

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Yes, I don't know. That's why I'm skeptical of all faith based rantings.

But your lack of ability to acknowledge that you might be mistaken is what makes you so dangerous. There is a chance you were merely hallucinating when you "met" him. Or duped. Or simply mistaken, as you are on so many of your math equations. But since you don't think you can possibly be wrong, you are leading your followers down a very dangerous path. And you need to be stopped before people get seriously hurt.