Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

Also provided by the intrepid police department who are actively indoctrinating school children to believe blatant falshoods, we have this "proof" of a jet.

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Kid Eager said:
Outrageously? I look forward to evidence of the outrage that your alleged discovery generates.
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Are you saying concret CAN melt without melting steel, and then turn back to concrete? Were they lying or incompetent? Hint: "miistaken" is the same as "incompetent".

Kid Eager said:
Interestingly, if one were to apply the same standards of faux-outrage to the claims you have made in the 3 threads-of-a-feather, why would anyone believe anything that you say about anything?
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I expect no one to believe anything anyone says without checking the facts. I welcome it, but I notice no one does that around here.
 
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yankee451 said:
What else were the police "mistaken" about?

According to the same guys who claimed the concrete melted and then turned back to concrete without melting the guns encased therein, a jet wheel impacted this column, breaking all the bolts simultaneously, flying it 700 horizontal feet while it fell 1000 vertical feet to gently land on the concrete without shattering it. This panel weighs between 4 and 6 tons.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/column-right.jpg[/qimg]
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See, there's that pesky "evidence" thing again....

I can't see any words in the caption that substantiate your claim.
 
yankee451 said:
Are you saying concret CAN melt without melting steel, and then turn back to concrete? Were they lying or incompetent? Hint: "miistaken" is the same as "incompetent".
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Again, I fail to see any evidence of outrage. Nice attempted deflection, though.

BTW - you appear to be suffering synonym failure.

I expect no one to believe anything anyone says without checking the facts. I welcome it, but I notice no one does that around here.
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I love the smell of irony in the morning... I'm sure you weren't able to type that final sentence with a straight face.
 
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5th-grader points out mistake at Smithsonian

Is fifth-grader Kenton Stufflebeam smarter than the Smithsonian?

The 11-year-old boy, who lives in Allegan but attends Alamo Elementary School near Kalamazoo, went with his family during winter break to the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History in Washington.

Since it opened in 1981, millions of people have paraded past the museum's Tower of Time, a display involving prehistoric time. Not one visitor had reported anything amiss with the exhibit until Kenton noticed that a notation, in bold lettering, identified the Precambrian as an era.

Kenton knew that was wrong. His fifth-grade teacher, John Chapman, had nearly made the same mistake in a classroom earth-science lesson before catching himself.
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It happens!
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/23926074/...-points-out-mistake-smithsonian/#.URcqoPLAGso
 
So where did this tripe of the hot spots and "molten concrete" and "molten metal" come from?

From the "authorities" who sold us wars as "payback" for their own actions.

From the USGS:

Simple temperature derivation from derived reflectance is illustrated in Thermal Figure 5a and b. Here the hot spot is assumed to fill the pixel. The thermal response of hot spot A (from Thermal Figure 4) shows the AVIRIS response higher than the 800 kelvin curve. The 800 Kelvin temperature is a lower limit to the temperature. While the upper limit might be the 900 Kelvin curve, we see the slopes do not match. As temperatures increase, the peak in Black Body emission moves to shorter wavelengths and the slope of the curve decreases at positions on the short wavelength side of the peak (the case here).
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
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800 kelvin = 980.33 ndegrees fahrenheit.
http://temperatureconversion.us/TCK/piart.php?art=6009

From the FDNY: "Molten Steel"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBNkw2Vvi28

From FEMA:

"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified. The rate of corrosion is also unknown. It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure."
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
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The question is simple; did the NYPD lie about the molten concrete?

There are two options they either lied or they were "mistaken".

Now if I were to be caught lying in one of their courts, they call this perjury. Fortunatley for the authorities, they hold all the cards, which means this isn't nor will it ever be a court trial, but even if hell froze over and there was a trial, it must be considered a deliberate lie in order to be called perjury:

In order to be considered perjury, testimony must satisfy two conditions. The first is that the lie committed must be deliberate, rather than accidental or unknowing. If the witness believes that he or she is telling the truth, the testimony is not perjury, although it may be confusing. The second condition is that the testimony must be material to the trial, having a direct impact on the outcome. If the witness lies about something which is not material, this is frowned upon, but it is not perjury.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-perjury.htm
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Given the choices, they either deliberately lied or they were mistaken. Sure it's possible that FEMA, the FDNY, the NYPD and the USGS were mistaken about the "really hot fires" and the rivers of molten metal, but shouldn't these folks know better than most? There seems to be a trend of mistakes there, which was reinforced by the news and the images of the smoking rubble for months on end. "Really hot fires" were all the rage, so it seems very unlikely that so many so called authorities could be so wrong about the same topic.

But as stated above, "if the witness believes he or she is telling the truth, the testimony is not perjury". From the responses it appears the true-believers are hanging their hats on the "oops" option. It was a simple mistake. The concrete didn't melt. The steel didn't melt nor flow in rivers. It was all a bad misunderstanding by the very people we trust to not make mistakes like this. That would be a grossly incompetent mistake.

So were they deliberately lying or were they outrageously incorrect due to a mistake?
 
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Photo of light, a light bulb, debunks Thread OP

yankee451 said:
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From the FDNY: "Molten Steel"
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LOL, you show a light bulb for you melted steel fantasy?

Your FEMA quote is about corroded steel, not melted steel. You failed to read the report. Quote-mining failure.

Are you deliberately spreading lies, or super bad at research and science.

You are blindly posting failed lies from 911 truth.
 
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Kid Eager said:
See, there's that pesky "evidence" thing again....

I can't see any words in the caption that substantiate your claim.
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You mean you don't know the official story?

Do the math - find an online calculator and calculate how much steel was there.

1/4" thick mild steel plate weighs 'so much" per square foot. Figure out how many square feet including spandrels, and come up with a weight. It's not rocket science. I've done it, and until you check my work you'll just have to take my word for it.
 
Kid Eager said:
Again, I fail to see any evidence of outrage. Nice attempted deflection, though.

BTW - you appear to be suffering synonym failure.



I love the smell of irony in the morning... I'm sure you weren't able to type that final sentence with a straight face.
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Answer the question.
 
yankee451 said:
You mean you don't know the official story?

Do the math - find an online calculator and calculate how much steel was there.

1/4" thick mild steel plate weighs 'so much" per square foot. Figure out how many square feet including spandrels, and come up with a weight. It's not rocket science. I've done it, and until you check my work you'll just have to take my word for it.
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Once again, an absence of evidence, plus some strange digression.
 
yankee451 said:
Also provided by the intrepid police department who are actively indoctrinating school children to believe blatant falshoods, we have this "proof" of a jet.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/6310312271.jpg[/qimg]
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From what I can tell (and I'm far from an expert) it looks like an axial flow turbofan engine with an annualar type combustion section... What's your objection?
 
Moving on.

Because the NYPD either lied or was grossly incompetent about the molten concrete, and because the FDNY numbskulls started a rumor about molten steel (and the distified bodies too, don't forget that!), why do you believe a little color on an infrared map is legit?

Can anyone answer why the USGS maps should be trusted at this point?

Was the ground really 8-900 kelvin in places days afterwards? Wouldn't that also imply "really hot fires"?

Are the USGS maps accurate? Yes or no.
 
Gish Gallop at speeds faster than free-fall

yankee451 said:
Moving on.

Because the NYPD either lied or was grossly incompetent about the molten concrete, and because the FDNY numbskulls started a rumor about molten steel (and the distified bodies too, don't forget that!), why do you believe a little color on an infrared map is legit?

Can anyone answer why the USGS maps should be trusted at this point?

Was the ground really 8-900 kelvin in places days afterwards? Wouldn't that also imply "really hot fires"?

Are the USGS maps accurate? Yes or no.
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Now, you insult the FDNY, and you are using your real name???
Fantasy
http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

No melted steel on 911.

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The temperature scale? lol, you have no idea what the temperature scale is.


What is the point? Don't forget burning plastic, wood, curtains, paper, tons of paper, and tons. 220 acres of office stuff.
 
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