Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[GlennB]

Will you answer the question?

Are the USGS maps correct? Hot spots above 1100 degees fahrenheit? Yes? No? Dodge?

1100°F is totally unremarkable in an office fire. The USGS maps don't surprise me one bit. What's your point?

 

[GlennB]

Is this your way of saying yes the USGS maps are correct, that the ground was 1100 degrees. Under ground. No air to 'combust' all that slow-burning gasoline.

There was a subway system down there.
Gasoline burns very fast.
There were many other fuel sources.

 

[beachnut]

What is the point of the thread? Do you know?

Is this your way of saying yes the USGS maps are correct, that the ground was 1100 degrees. Under ground. No air to 'combust' all that slow-burning gasoline.

I'll take this as a "yes", as if I ever doubted it.

There were 220 acres of office materials to burn in the debris pile. The heat energy of the office material would be equal to more heat energy than the heat of 15,000 TONS of thermite; is that enough heat for your fantasy claims on 911. Not counting the cars and stuff in the basement. Cars burn hot, but you don't do education stuff.

The debris pile was as high as 1273.15 Kelvin. Why can't you do chemistry and fire science?

Oh, that is right... you despise education.

Agreed - ... I'm of the mind that higher education is simply higher indoctrination. There's a reason a doctorate sounds so close to indoctrinate.

You come to a debate no 911, unarmed.

You can't define your purpose of this thread besides hate of NYPD, and you have added FDNY to your list of bad guys.

 

[threadworm]

Is this your way of saying yes the USGS maps are correct, that the ground was 1100 degrees. Under ground. No air to 'combust' all that slow-burning gasoline.

I'll take this as a "yes", as if I ever doubted it.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had to go back and get my oxygen tank when I use underground car parks. They should have signs up to warn you, or at least remind you to take a deep breath before running for the stairs.

 

[yankee451]

1100°F is totally unremarkable in an office fire. The USGS maps don't surprise me one bit. What's your point?

Unremarkable that five days after an office fire wiped out three buildings, and even though the fire was visibly burning out and clearly extinguished in the destruction, it was still over 1100 hundred degrees without the benefit of fuel and air?

If you say so chief.

 

[yankee451]

There was a subway system down there.
Gasoline burns very fast.
There were many other fuel sources.

I understand - you want to believe in really hot fires. It's okay, I'll let you.

Even though the NYPD and the FDNY were wrong about the molten concrete and molten steel, there WERE really hot fires.

I feel you.

 

[Justin39640]

Are you saying the pile was a vacuum?

 

[yankee451]

Are you saying the pile was a vacuum?

I'm saying there are already two examples of official stories being proven to be bogus, official stories which also happened to be supported by the oh-so loudmouthed truth movement, almost as if they were trying to discredit genuine researchers.

Given the above, wouldn't the really smart people of the world, you know, science-types like you people keep feigning to be, wouldn't they need something more than just a museum exhibit or a YouTube video to convince them the fires were "really hot"?

See where I'm going here or do you need me to draw you another picture?

 

[yankee451]

There was a subway system down there.
Gasoline burns very fast.
There were many other fuel sources.

Gasoline burns fast and then it's gone. The ground was hotter than gas burns days afterwards.

Are you able to even admit for a second that it just might be possible the "really hot fires" story is B.S.? Or do you need to believe that for some reason?

 

[GlennB]

Gasoline burns fast and then it's gone. The ground was hotter than gas burns days afterwards.

Are you able to even admit for a second that it just might be possible the "really hot fires" story is B.S.? Or do you need to believe that for some reason?

The gasoline would make a very fine accelerant to ignite the acres of combustibles that were previously untouched by the WTC fires.

600°C plumes of gases exiting the debris pile from fires just below the surface at a few points doesn't surprise me at all. Why does it surprise you?

And what's your point? There were no fires? The fires shouldn't have been that hot? Please explain.

 

[Kid Eager]

Unremarkable that five days after an office fire wiped out three buildings, and even though the fire was visibly burning out and clearly extinguished in the destruction, it was still over 1100 hundred degrees without the benefit of fuel and air?

If you say so chief.

Evidence that there was no fuel and air?

What leads you to believe that it was extinguished?

What leads you to believe that the temperature was not possible? 630 celsius is less that the temperature of a smoldering cigarette.

 

[Spanx]

http://www.treehugger.com/clean-tec...l-fire-started-in-1962-still-burns-today.html

 

[Sunstealer]

Wow - just wow.

 

[Mudcat]

No air to 'combust' all that slow-burning gasoline.

Do yourself a favor. Unless you're aiming to get yourself a Darwin Award, don't handle fire as long as you believe it's the air that's going through combustion.

 

[Slowvehicle]

I'm not sure what that means.
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from your earlier post (highlighting added)...

Hint: "miistaken" is the same as "incompetent".

...thank you for admitting to your incompetence.

 

[Justin39640]

Will you answer the question?

Are the USGS maps correct? Hot spots above 1100 degees fahrenheit? Yes? No? Dodge?

Actually, you said 800 kelvin before. That would make it just under 1000 degrees fahrenheit. Why would someone put out data the refutes molten steel as proof of molten steel?

 

[yankee451]

Actually, you said 800 kelvin before. That would make it just under 1000 degrees fahrenheit. Why would someone put out data the refutes molten steel as proof of molten steel?

 

[Justin39640]

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hot-Spot-temps.png[/qimg]

More evidence of no molten steel. Good job. You showed them! (exactly what, I have no idea?! /Dangerfield )

 

[beachnut]

220 acres of office material to burn; Ignored for Fantasy; Debunked by Wood-stove

Unremarkable that five days after an office fire wiped out three buildings, and even though the fire was visibly burning out and clearly extinguished in the destruction, it was still over 1100 hundred degrees without the benefit of fuel and air?

If you say so chief.

http://yankee451.com/about-me-2/

220 acres of office material to burn; Ignored for to push your hate of police and firefighters, plus the most idiotic fantasy.

Steel melts at 1425-1540C 2600-2800F 1700-1800K. Darn, what was the goal of this attack on police? What is the point of your thread as you move off topic?

Without air? There is oxygen in the pile, not a lot, but exactly the amount of air to keep fires extra hot and long lasting. The gasoline stuff, is your diversion to ignore 220 acres of office material burning for months. Why be illogical?
Who has a wood stove? What do you do to get the fire hot and keep it running for hours instead of minutes? You cut back the air and limit the exhaust; oops, like the debris pile. oops

Guess who has a wood stove?

Here you are sitting next to your wood stove. How hot does wood burn in the stove? I get my wood stove to 1600F, 1200K with good wood.
To get the highest temperature and longest burn, I have to cut back the air to the minimum. Almost no air, like in the debris pile, just enough to slowly burn. What do you do, leave it wide open and burn your charge in 10 minutes? I burn my for 10 hours on one charge, make up to 1600F, 1200K. What is your point?

Steel melts at 1425-1540C 2600-2800F 1700-1800K. Darn, what was the goal of this attack on police?

Ironically, you are standing next to your wood stove and are completely ignorant why fires can burn for months with 220 acres of office material to burn. No idea why limited air fires are hotter than open air fires. Irony.

Hot office fires burning in debris pile, not hot enough to melt steel, but they HOT. 1020K, 750C, 1400F (no melted steel)

What is your point? You sure love your fantasy, and fail to use common sense, as you sit next to the very thing that debunks your current nonsense.

 

[yankee451]

More evidence of no molten steel. Good job. You showed them! (exactly what, I have no idea?! /Dangerfield )

So you're saying you believe the USGS maps to be accurate?