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[leftysergeant]

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet. How does this keep intact long enough to transfer it's energy THROUGH, thicker, denser, more massive material?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NIST-Hollow-wing.jpg[/qimg]

Tap, tap, tap...

This thing on?

The weight and velocity allow the wing to over-load the joints of the columns. DERP!

Aluminum does penetrate steel surfaces at sufficient speed. The observable phenomena that occur in this time/space continuum show that your theories lead to unsupportable conclusions.

 

[abaddon]

Once you declare that the physical evidence is faked, you aren't actually following the evidence.

Someone quote that, if you don't mind.

Pleasure.

 

[abaddon]

Don't worry about me, this is a test to see whether any single one of you knows what you're talking about.

Who is testing you?

 

[leftysergeant]

Don't worry about me, this is a test to see whether any single one of you knows what you're talking about.

We do. This threat is full of statements and displays that demonstrate that you do not. You question the word of fire and crash investigators as to what a crash site or a fire scene should look like, you question construction laborers and ditch diggers as to how certain types of soills behave. You question the word of structural engineers as to how a building will resist an aicraft impact.

And you have demonstrated no credentials for your expertise or proofs or demonstrations of your theories. You are dribbling weak sauce all over the board.

 

[LSSBB]

The pat answer from someone who has no idea what he's talking about.

Empty response and insult all you got?

How much energy does it take to break a perimiter column?

 

[TheRedWorm]

Pleasure.

Thanks.

 

[Courier]

This is priceless.

Now a jet is comparable to a hurricane.

The air of a hurricane is moving at 100 mph. This air, can tare apart wood.

The water of a tsunami may be moving at only 30 mph, and yet it can tear apart wood structures.

Please explain how lighter and less dense substances can tare apart stronger and more dense substances.

Cause it happens ALL the time.

 

[JohnG]

If I used spellcheck on every post it would slow me down and then what would you talk about?

On average you post more often within in a single hour than I post in an entire day. I think it would be in your best interests to slow down a bit.

You know you don't have to completely derail your life just because a few dozen strangers on an obscure internet forum disagree with you, right? Surely you could be doing something better with your time?

 

[Courier]

Soft lead can fly straight through much harder and stronger steel, if moving at a fast enough speed.

Why? Because force is a combination of mass AND velocity. This is why the planes were able to cut through the steel beams of the WTC and Pentagon.

 

[DGM]

Soft lead can fly straight through much harder and stronger steel, if moving at a fast enough speed.

Why? Because force is a combination of mass AND velocity. This is why the planes were able to cut through the steel beams of the WTC and Pentagon.

It would be interesting to hear him explain how explosives destroy things. That's only expanding gas.

 

[TJM]

Steve, I did read it. I practically had to arrange a sling to keep my jaw from dropping to the floor,

I know, right?

I've heard of the "Towers were vacant" conspiracy before, but this D&B database spin is entirely new to me and elevates the conspiracy to new levels of previously unexplored stupid. It's actually kind of refreshing, in its own way.

 

[yankee451]

Soft lead can fly straight through much harder and stronger steel, if moving at a fast enough speed.

Why? Because force is a combination of mass AND velocity. This is why the planes were able to cut through the steel beams of the WTC and Pentagon.

Terminal ballistics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics

 

[DGM]

Terminal ballistics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics

You really should read what you link.

An early result is due to Newton; the impact depth of any projectile is the depth that a projectile will reach before stopping in a medium; in Newtonian mechanics a projectile stops when it has transferred its momentum to an equal mass of the medium

This does not support what you're trying to claim.

 

[Courier]

With enough force driving it, lead can blow through steel, water can blow through wood, and air can tare apart concrete.

Its called "Physics", something that 9-11 Truthers fail to appreciate.

This conversation reminds of when years ago 9-11 Truthers argued that the WTC towers were built like a solid tree, and that the top 1/3rd couldn't collapse the lower 2/3rds.

 

[DGM]

With enough force driving it, lead can blow through steel, water can blow through wood, and air can tare apart concrete.

Its called "Physics", something that 9-11 Truthers fail to appreciate.

This conversation reminds of when years ago 9-11 Truthers argued that the WTC towers were built like a solid tree, and that the top 1/3rd couldn't collapse the lower 2/3rds.

It's sort of sad. He claims we don't know what we're talking about, then post a link that proves us right.

I'm waiting for him to post a link to Newtonian mechanics and call disinfo.

 

[Courier]

It's sort of sad. He claims we don't know what we're talking about, then post a link that proves us right.

I'm waiting for him to post a link to Newtonian mechanics and call disinfo.

It doesn't really matter anymore, as we have won the war against 9-11 Truth.

Their movement is dead, mostly due to their own failures.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Redwood
Steve, I did read it. I practically had to arrange a sling to keep my jaw from dropping to the floor, but I did understand it better than you. Your soulmate "Steve WarRan" (are you sure it isn't you?) alleged they did not have a Dun & Bradstreet listing, ergo they aren't real. If they are real, a Dun & Bradstreet listing is irrelevant.

So all these firms are part of the Vast Conspiracy? Tell us what you think are their motivations. What would it take to get all these people to risk imprisonment, vilification, and execution to take part? Usually, it's money, power, sex, ego, or payback. Rarely, it's ideology. What do you think it is for Oppenheimer? How about Union Bank of California or AT&T?

If you are not the "Steve WarRan" of the article, you can take comfort in that you have found a soulmate. You both should seek out professional help ASAP.

You appear to be the victim of obsession. If it's chemical/neurological in origin, it's treatable.

You guys really don't understand this stuff do you? All the squirming, all the condescention, it's all compensation isn't it? Wow.

Original posted by AJM8125

I've heard of the "Towers were vacant" conspiracy before, but this D&B database spin is entirely new to me and elevates the conspiracy to new levels of previously unexplored stupid. It's actually kind of refreshing, in its own way.

Steve, please enlighten poor ignoramuses such as AJM and me how a putative lack of a Dun & Bradstreet rating shows that firms such as Union Bank of California, Oppenheimer Funds, or AT&T did not have actual offices in the Twin Towers. You were the one who brought it up, remember?

33 Firms Said To Be Operating in the South Tower of the World Trade Center Were Unknown to Dun & Bradstreethttp://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/201...-in-south.html

Obviously, if it proves these firms don't really exist, you win. If they do exist, and you can't explain how a lack of a Dun & Bradstreet listing proves they didn't have offices in the Twin Towers, you can ask your soulmate "Steve WarRan" to explain it for you. Are you absolutely sure that you and he aren't the same person? Could he be your alter ego, unrecognized by your conscious mind? Do you ever suffer blackouts? Do you ever wake up in a strange place, with no idea as to how you got there? This can be treated also, just like obsession resulting from neurological/chemical problems.

 

[Animal]

Terminal ballistics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ballistics

 

[yankee451]

You really should read what you link.



This does not support what you're trying to claim.

I'm not the one claiming that a jet's wing is like a water-jet, nor a bullet. That'd be you guys. Water jets need to be coherent for the same reason a bullet does, both of which have the benefit of applying their velocity and mass at a tiny point of inpact. Because the wing's thin aluminum sheeting is spread out over a wide point of imact, the same principles are not in play. It is not solid, and the fuel may add weight but not mass and density to the aluminum.

It is not solid, it is hollow. So what holds it together? If it doesn't support my argument, why don't you show me the argument that supports yours. MIT had to roll up all the aluminum into a big ball and reform into a hollow aluminum machete in their model. I didn't see the figures in the NIST model, can you point them out to me?

Show me how this:

Can shear this:

It can't, and the 9/11 Crash Test will prove it.

 

[yankee451]

Steve, please enlighten poor ignoramuses such as AJM and me how a putative lack of a Dun & Bradstreet rating shows that firms such as Union Bank of California, Oppenheimer Funds, or AT&T did not have actual offices in the Twin Towers. You were the one who brought it up, remember?



Obviously, if it proves these firms don't really exist, you win. If they do exist, and you can't explain how a lack of a Dun & Bradstreet listing proves they didn't have offices in the Twin Towers, you can ask your soulmate "Steve WarRan" to explain it for you. Are you absolutely sure that you and he aren't the same person? Could he be your alter ego, unrecognized by your conscious mind? Do you ever suffer blackouts? Do you ever wake up in a strange place, with no idea as to how you got there? This can be treated also, just like obsession resulting from neurological/chemical problems.

Brilliant. We share the same first name, so we're obviously the same person. I linked to a document of his, so now I espouse everything he's ever written and should answer for his work because, after all, we're named Steve.