Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[yankee451]

And if I did somehow manage to provide all this information you'd simply say it was all faked and any witnesses were liars (or worse), and what's more you know you would dismiss it out of hand, so why even bother asking for it? You think after all your "years of hard work and obsessive research" into this staggeringly stupid "theory" of yours that a box full of documents sent to you from a stranger on the internet is going lead to some life-changing epiphany on your part? Not bloody likely.

Why are you even here? You average writing over 63 posts a day and are (presumably) reading countless more posts from others at all hours of the day and night. Why is this a good use of your time? You clearly made your mind up about 9/11 years ago and certainly aren't here to accept criticism. Furthermore you have shown nothing but disdain and absolute contempt for anyone with actual expertise on the subject at hand. For God's sake, you have a Crash Investigator here and all you can seem to do is insult him, question his credentials and accuse him of being some brainwashed government stooge.

To quote Joseph Welch, have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Mock outrage will get you nowhere, but it will allow you to avoid critical thinking. I have learned quite a bit about the WTC and the tenants over the years, you might say I'm an expert. You aren't.

We have a crash investigator who has done nothing but insult me, so what? He hasn't lifted a finger to try to state his case beyond stomping around shouting"I'm a crash inspector!". I can understand his being upset, what with a non-credentialed, charming fellow like me showing him up, but I can't help it if he doen't know how to explain why the authorities and the Truth movement would insist the fires were so hot.

sI have a good explantion for it - they lied, which begs the question, what wiped out the buildings if it wasn't fires "so intense the concrete melted"?

 

[marplots]

I have called but only reached a recording. After this much time it would be tricky to get any answers without a visit anyway. It's on my list of tourist attractions in NYC though. Some day.

At least we know where the "hot fires" story came from.

Well, the item in question is on display. At least it's showing in the slide show on their website: http://www.nycpm.org/exhibitions/911/index.html

I can't read the sign though. Website also says they are currently closed because of Sandy. I'm really curious to know what they'd have to say about it.

 

[yankee451]

Well, the item in question is on display. At least it's showing in the slide show on their website: http://www.nycpm.org/exhibitions/911/index.html

I can't read the sign though. Website also says they are currently closed because of Sandy. I'm really curious to know what they'd have to say about it.

It's still up?

Dang - I honestly thought it was closed.

Here is the link to the closeup images of the exhibit from the archives - the way it once was. If they haven't changed the exhibit, if they're still claiming the fires were hot enough to melt concrete, well that'll definitely be worth a phone call.

http://archive.org/details/NewYorkPoliceMuseumWtcGunsMelted

 

[TJM]

Am I a part of the conspiracy?

Apparently I am.

I just checked Dun & Bradstreet, my company's HQ doesn't exist - 100,000+ employees - and high profile tenants of other buildings, which I knew were there yesterday, seem to have no D&B profile either. AT&T, Verizon, Bechtel... all planted.

 

[yankee451]

Apparently I am.

I just checked Dun & Bradstreet, my company's HQ doesn't exist - 100,000+ employees - and high profile tenants of other buildings, which I knew were there yesterday, seem to have no D&B profile either. AT&T, Verizon, Bechtel... all planted.

Eeek.

 

[leftysergeant]

Mock outrage will get you nowhere, but it will allow you to avoid critical thinking. I have learned quite a bit about the WTC and the tenants over the years, you might say I'm an expert. You aren't.

We have a crash investigator who has done nothing but insult me, so what? He hasn't lifted a finger to try to state his case beyond stomping around shouting"I'm a crash inspector!". I can understand his being upset, what with a non-credentialed, charming fellow like me showing him up, but I can't help it if he doen't know how to explain why the authorities and the Truth movement would insist the fires were so hot.

Actualy, you have two crash and fire investigators checking your work and dismissing your "evidence" as examples of your gross ignoranceof the subject matter.

I have a good explantion for it - they lied, which begs the question, what wiped out the buildings if it wasn't fires "so intense the concrete melted"?

Or they just had one of their own people analysizing the stuff and didn't bother to check with anyone from FDNY or the city engineering department to see if they were reading the evidence wrong.

 

[leftysergeant]

You don't know me, where are you coming up with this.

Aren't you the awesome architect who couldn't tell the difference between aluminum cladding and a steel column?

Aren't you the physics phenom who didn't know the wing would be struck with an equal and opposite reaction?

Don't you realize that this is bull ****** If the wing has more energy than a column or the ground can resist, it will just lose a little speed, perhaps shatter, but will keep right on going.

It's what makes swords, axes and bullets work.

 

[tsig]

If the fires in the sky were a thousand feet up, the molten concrete was a thousand feet down.

So, are you here to try to explain how the concrete melted, turned to lava and then back to concrete, aggregate and all without melting the guns? Lemme guess, you're going to wave-off the MUSEUM EXHIBIT that indoctrinated school children as a simple mistake. The kind of mistake academics make.

Why would the police lie like that?
Why would firefighters claim the steel ran like lava from a volcano?

Why would their stories match with the truth movment, when there never were such hot fires?

Are you going to tell me the USGS maps are accurate? What caused the ground to be 1000 kelvin many days after 9/11?

No, you're not here to discuss any of that.

Why not, according to your theory everybody is lying.

 

[tsig]

It's still up?

Dang - I honestly thought it was closed.

Here is the link to the closeup images of the exhibit from the archives - the way it once was. If they haven't changed the exhibit, if they're still claiming the fires were hot enough to melt concrete, well that'll definitely be worth a phone call.

http://archive.org/details/NewYorkPoliceMuseumWtcGunsMelted

So one flaky exhibit in a police museum breaks the case wide open.The truth movement is amazing, where else can you get so much out with so little facts in?

 

[Animal]

Don't you realize that this is bull ****** If the wing has more energy than a column or the ground can resist, it will just lose a little speed, perhaps shatter, but will keep right on going.

It's what makes swords, axes and bullets work.

That was my point....that the force applied by the wing was greater than the column could react to, thus the column failed and the mass of the wing continued onward.

But the poo flinger likes to take things out of context and quote mine as if that somehow provides evidence of his fantasy.

 

[Animal]

Actualy, you have two crash and fire investigators checking your work and dismissing your "evidence" as examples of your gross ignoranceof the subject matter.

Or they just had one of their own people analysizing the stuff and didn't bother to check with anyone from FDNY or the city engineering department to see if they were reading the evidence wrong.

The bigger problem is you, me and just about everyone else out there is tired of responding to the same tired old fantasies by troofers. Then you get a Google U. graduate that takes the short cut answers and tries to spin into some sort of proof that their woo is true.

 

[yankee451]

Don't you realize that this is bull ****** If the wing has more energy than a column or the ground can resist, it will just lose a little speed, perhaps shatter, but will keep right on going.

It's what makes swords, axes and bullets work.

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet. How does this keep intact long enough to transfer it's energy THROUGH, thicker, denser, more massive material?

Tap, tap, tap...

This thing on?

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet.

Repitition-ion-ion-ion

Tap, tap, tap...

This thing on?

Helloo-oo-oo-oo


Steve, putting your imaginary missiles to one side for a minute, what kind of explosives do you think the towers were rigged with?

 

[GlennB]

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet. How does this keep intact long enough to transfer it's energy THROUGH, thicker, denser, more massive material?

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NIST-Hollow-wing.jpg

Tap, tap, tap...

This thing on?

The same principle as this:

It's called impulse.

 

[TJM]

I'd still like to know if I'm part of the conspiracy or even if I exist at all, since my company isn't part of a database. Maybe I can go home early?

 

[threadworm]

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet. How does this keep intact long enough to transfer it's energy THROUGH, thicker, denser, more massive material?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NIST-Hollow-wing.jpg[/qimg]

Tap, tap, tap...

This thing on?

And the aluminium sheeting is wrapped around...?

 

[dafydd]

I'd still like to know if I'm part of the conspiracy or even if I exist at all, since my company isn't part of a database. Maybe I can go home early?

Don't you get your monthly check from the NWO?

 

[TJM]

Don't you get your monthly check from the NWO?

The NWO doesn't seem to have a Dun & Bradstreet listing either. I thought I was being paid through their Mexican cartel slush fund. Not so sure now.

 

[JohnG]

Mock outrage will get you nowhere, but it will allow you to avoid critical thinking. I have learned quite a bit about the WTC and the tenants over the years, you might say I'm an expert. You aren't.

We have a crash investigator who has done nothing but insult me, so what? He hasn't lifted a finger to try to state his case beyond stomping around shouting"I'm a crash inspector!". I can understand his being upset, what with a non-credentialed, charming fellow like me showing him up, but I can't help it if he doen't know how to explain why the authorities and the Truth movement would insist the fires were so hot.

sI have a good explantion for it - they lied, which begs the question, what wiped out the buildings if it wasn't fires "so intense the concrete melted"?

You have demonstrated in virtually every one the 855 (and counting) posts you've made since joining here last month that your claims of expertise are not only false but delusional. You are in the throes of a baseless obsession and are therefore incapable of rational debate.

 

[switchpoint]

Please demonstrate how aluminum sheeting is like a sword, or a bullet.

In the words of the late Mayor of New York City, Ed Koch "I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you".