Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[TJM]

Steve, please enlighten poor ignoramuses such as AJM and me how a putative lack of a Dun & Bradstreet rating shows that firms such as Union Bank of California, Oppenheimer Funds, or AT&T did not have actual offices in the Twin Towers. You were the one who brought it up, remember?

Just narrowing that down for you Steve, for the content you've failed to address.

Brilliant. We share the same first name, so we're obviously the same person. I linked to a document of his, so now I espouse everything he's ever written and should answer for his work because, after all, we're named Steve.

Hmmmm.... Trying to distance yourself from it now? That would probably be best....

 

[yankee451]

Just narrowing that down for you Steve, for the content you've failed to address.



Hmmmm.... Trying to distance yourself from it now? That would probably be best....

I've linked to other places too, even to the NIST! Gasp!

 

[marplots]

It can't, and the 9/11 Crash Test will prove it.

What is the 911 Crash Test?

 

[yankee451]

The weight and velocity allow the wing to over-load the joints of the columns. DERP!

Aluminum does penetrate steel surfaces at sufficient speed. The observable phenomena that occur in this time/space continuum show that your theories lead to unsupportable conclusions.

Ohh...nice wing imprints.

I was wondering which one would bring out the Kamikazes.

Who's going to be the first to bring up the straw through a tree in a hurricane? You? Come on, you know you want to.

 

[TJM]

I've linked to other places too, even to the NIST! Gasp!

Evasion noted.

 

[yankee451]

What is the 911 Crash Test?

Here's the video that describes the project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3a--hf7_s

The website is http://www.911crashtest.org

 

[yankee451]

Evasion noted.

Desperation identified.

 

[marplots]

Here's the video that describes the project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3a--hf7_s

The website is http://www.911crashtest.org

I think they need to load the column, don't they? I'm just guessing, but a column under load would react differently than not wouldn't it? Then there's the business of the joints and all.

Don't see this experiment accomplishing what they hope.

 

[mike3]

I was not trained to think a certain way. I was trained to fly in the best flight school in the world. We were trained to think better than the other guy, to be the best. You seem to be trained to think up failed fantasy; was that training free like my pilot training, you paid for?
LOL, who do you think stopped Calley's guys from killing more civilians in Vietnam, a pilot; taught to think for himself and trained to be morally right. Unlike you who spreads failed fantasy, with no moral compass, as you disrespect those murdered by terrorists.

You are the domestic enemy, murdering the truth and replacing reality with fantasy. You don't do military, like physics and the truth; backed with a disrespect for higher education, and book learning.

Is it possible to get to be as good a critical thinker as you without having to go into military and get into that kind of elite school?

 

[TJM]

Desperation identified.

Really.

Then perhaps you're now prepared to school me on your Dun & Bradstreet claim that you've been dodging since you brought it up?

 

[mike3]

Are you going to tell me the USGS maps are accurate? What caused the ground to be 1000 kelvin many days after 9/11?

Well, those piles still contained a lot of combustibles, for one.

And where are you getting 1000K (1340F) from? USGS says it was "over 800F", but doesn't say how much over:

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html

 

[dafydd]

What is the 911 Crash Test?

A Crash Test Dummies offshoot band.

 

[Travis]

Yankee451, I take it if I offer to accelerate some foam padding to 600mph you will have no problem letting your body be hit by it? After all, your body is denser.

 

[threadworm]

Yankee451, I take it I offer to accelerate some foam padding to 600mph you will have no problem letting your body be hit by it? After all your body is denser.

or go paintballing - those soft squishy pellets are obviously harmless.

 

[DGM]

I'm not the one claiming that a jet's wing is like a water-jet, nor a bullet. That'd be you guys. Water jets need to be coherent for the same reason a bullet does, both of which have the benefit of applying their velocity and mass at a tiny point of inpact. Because the wing's thin aluminum sheeting is spread out over a wide point of imact, the same principles are not in play. It is not solid, and the fuel may add weight but not mass and density to the aluminum.

I just wanted to quote this for anyone that has you on ignore.

It is not solid, it is hollow. So what holds it together? If it doesn't support my argument, why don't you show me the argument that supports yours. MIT had to roll up all the aluminum into a big ball and reform into a hollow aluminum machete in their model. I didn't see the figures in the NIST model, can you point them out to me?

I have shown you several times. You might ask yourself, what holds it together enough to allow the plane to fly? Take note how badly this wing wants to stay "coherent". It doesn't have to be indestructible, only strong enough to overload what it hit.



BTW: The NIST figures are quoted in the powerpoint you never read.

 

[Locknar]

As a reminder, please keep the discussion civil/polite, on topic, and address the argument vs attack the arguer (ie. rule 0, rule 11, rule 12).

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[switchpoint]

Don't worry about me, this is a test to see whether any single one of you knows what you're talking about.

I don't understand - how are you going to conduct and grade a test in a subject matter that you can't comprehend?

 

[Macgyver1968]

I just wanted to quote this for anyone that has you on ignore.



I have shown you several times. You might ask yourself, what holds it together enough to allow the plane to fly? Take note how badly this wing wants to stay "coherent". It doesn't have to be indestructible, only strong enough to overload what it hit.

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BTW: The NIST figures are quoted in the powerpoint you never read.

Cool video. Reminds me of dad. He was a stress engineer for Boeing on the triple 7. Helped design the engine strut (that critical part that holds the engine to the wing). They had a cool slogan on their t-shirts: "Destiny. It's not a matter of chance, it's a matter of choice". I thought that was a cool saying for a group of guys who if they fail at their job...hundreds of people die.

 

[leftysergeant]

Ohh...nice wing imprints.

I was wondering which one would bring out the Kamikazes.

Who's going to be the first to bring up the straw through a tree in a hurricane? You? Come on, you know you want to.

More importantly, you have a complete penetration by the aircraft fuselage. The fuselage is less dense that the wings. As I read the report, the wings did also pentetrate.
FAIL.

 

[Sabretooth]

With enough force driving it, lead can blow through steel, water can blow through wood, and air can tare apart concrete.

Its called "Physics", something that 9-11 Truthers fail to appreciate.

This conversation reminds of when years ago 9-11 Truthers argued that the WTC towers were built like a solid tree, and that the top 1/3rd couldn't collapse the lower 2/3rds.

IIRC, there is a cutting tool that uses a stream of high pressure water. The water is moving so fast, it cuts steel. I'll have to find that video...