Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[Blaupunkt69]

I'm no expert on grainy photos but I'd imagine varying degrees of damage at the impact zone could in part be attributed to the concrete floors and steel trusses behind the outer columns.

 

[yankee451]

I'm no expert on grainy photos but I'd imagine varying degrees of damage at the impact zone could in part be attributed to the concrete floors and steel trusses behind the outer columns.

One of the problems I have is identifying the floors. Looking to the left of the gash they appear to be missing.

As far as the damage getting progressively worse left to right, note that both gashes start at floor level, followed by nine gouged and bent columns, followed by a hole.


South Tower

North Tower

 

[beachnut]

From what university did you graduate, and when?

Clemson, Engineering, 74; AFIT Masters Engineering, 82. Undergraduate Pilot Training, Moody AFB, GA, 75; KC-135 Upgrade Training, 76 (A big old water injected Boeing Jet); USC, Aircraft Accident Investigation School; KC-135 Instructor Training, 86. ATP, Long Beach, 94. First physic class, Coach Stubbs, 69; College Physics, excepted final, 70. Chemical Engineering class, 71. First Scud Attack by Idiot Saddam, Blew windows out of office from half mile, 91, Operations Officer, Riyadh Saudi Arabia; need some more?

You're obviously not a structural engineer, nor an architect.

I am an engineer, and a pilot. You called me a liar for telling you what I am. Got some evidence?

The red arrows indicate the edge of the cladding. The columns are bent.

Columns bent, by an aircraft impact. That is why they don't show signs of blast damage by your fantasy missiles all used in Test.


Now some off-topic stuff, or what...

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/animated-arrow-burst1.gif

A fantasy gif. What did 60 Minutes say?
What? You have not contacted 60 Minutes so you can end the War?


What was your purpose of this thread besides bad mouthing police, and being debunked by your Wood-Stove?

 

[yankee451]

Nope, nothing flammable in that picture! This seems to be from before office computers were common. That mainly metal IBM Selectric was probably replaced by a computer. Lots of nice plastic to burn in computers and monitors. BTW, plastic burns with much more energy than does paper.

Enough to destroy 110 acres of concrete and 100,000 tons of steel?

How hot do stainless steel steam kettles burn? How about walk-in coolers?

You going to tell me the gas in the bus-sized generators of the mechanical floors were responsible?

What happened to all these items? They are not visible in any of the debris images. We already know there were no hot fires, so what happened?

Hey Steve, are you quoting yourself there? I notice that the first two firms on the list are Verizon and Union Bank of California. Are you claiming they don't exist? Amongst the others are Oppenheimer Funds, AT&T, Fuji Bank.... Are they fictional? Are they part of the Vast Conspiracy?

There are two Steves in this world, I was quoting the other one.

I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up".

And isn't this supposed to be about the landfill-type fires in the rubble? Try to focus, Steve!

I was responding to a question from a fan (pay attention):

So what made the hole in the tower?

 

[yankee451]

Clemson, Engineering, 74; AFIT Masters Engineering, 82. Undergraduate Pilot Training, Moody AFB, GA, 75; KC-135 Upgrade Training, 76 (A big old water injected Boeing Jet); USC, Aircraft Accident Investigation School; KC-135 Instructor Training, 86. ATP, Long Beach, 94. First physic class, Coach Stubbs, 69; College Physics, excepted final, 70. Chemical Engineering class, 71. First Scud Attack by Idiot Saddam, Blew windows out of office from half mile, 91, Operations Officer, Riyadh Saudi Arabia; need some more?

I am an engineer, and a pilot. You called me a liar for telling you what I am. Got some evidence?


Columns bent, by an aircraft impact. That is why they don't show signs of blast damage by your fantasy missiles all used in Test.


Now some off-topic stuff, or what...

A fantasy gif. What did 60 Minutes say?
What? You have not contacted 60 Minutes so you can end the War?


What was your purpose of this thread besides bad mouthing police, and being debunked by your Wood-Stove?

I apologize for calling you a liar, but your experiences don't make the evidence change.

Few men are as indoctrinated as military men. I mean no offense, but you gotta figure if killing was natural there would be no need for basic training, and PTSD wouldn't be an issue.

I say that because after going through your training you are TRAINED to think a certain way, so how can you be impartial to the evidence when your whole world revolves around the belief the USA are the good guys all the time? Aren't you supposed to defend against domestic enemies too though?

God forbid I could be right, but I thnk the evidence is there to support missiles being used at the WTC and at Shanksville. As a military man surely you can see the value of having undocumented missiles used at all sites. You'd only need one set of missile jockies to run the whole operation and you'd have plausible deniability. As a military man you know the gash fits the missile hypothesis like a glove, but because your identity revoles around your TRAINING, you ignore the evidence staring you in the face.

The implications keep you from seeing that our own leaders are the enemies. The only way 9/11 could have occurred is if it was run from the top down, as a military man you certinly must know that. The military are not that incompetent. They could have stopped those jets pronto, you know this, and the last ten years of invasions and encroachments on civil liberties should serve as proof in the pudding.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up".

Wow. No planes, no victims...now veering precariously close to no buildings. I can't even imagine what it's like to perceive the outside world in such funhouse-mirror distortion.

 

[Animal]

Enough to destroy 110 acres of concrete and 100,000 tons of steel?

How hot do stainless steel steam kettles burn? How about walk-in coolers?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/kitchen2.jpg[/qimg]

You going to tell me the gas in the bus-sized generators of the mechanical floors were responsible?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Gen1.png[/qimg]

What happened to all these items? They are not visible in any of the debris images. We already know there were no hot fires, so what happened?



There are two Steves in this world, I was quoting the other one.

I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up".




I was responding to a question from a fan (pay attention):

Google U failure once again. I guess so missed the troofer memo regarding all the steel being rushed off to China to be melted down to destroy the "Evidence"

I won't even bother with your strawman expectation of seeing specific items in the debris field photographs. Extremely weak....even for a troofer.

 

[GlennB]

I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up".

It would look like two vast office buildings with thousands of actors giving the impression that they were actually occupied.

 

[Animal]

It would look like two vast office buildings with thousands of actors giving the impression that they were actually occupied.

The poor troofer has grown the conspiracy to include everyone in the world except him.

 

[Sabretooth]

This has got to be an elaborate Poe.

I mean, purposely discounting the fact and opinion of science, physics, architects, engineers, firefighters, and witnesses to willfully believe planes didn't hit the towers? Twelve years later? Come on.

I suggest you let the troll die of starvation. No fact presented to him in 9 pages has changed his deluded opinion and it seems to be getting worse.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

This has got to be an elaborate Poe.

I mean, purposely discounting the fact and opinion of science, physics, architects, engineers, firefighters, and witnesses to willfully believe planes didn't hit the towers? Twelve years later? Come on.

I suggest you let the troll die of starvation. No fact presented to him in 9 pages has changed his deluded opinion and it seems to be getting worse.

I think it's a deliberate policy that Steve's adopted, a way of enabling him to deal with the "wtf" reaction he gets from everyone he talks to by simply not engaging with any evidence that anyone else puts to him.

I've posted this mp3 link before, but it's worth posting again - Jim Fetzer interviewing Steve/Yankee. I find it useful in gaining a little insight into the kind of character we're dealing with:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim fetzer real deal-steve deak.mp3

*WARNING* contains multiple instances of the J. Fetzer Maniacal Belly Laugh™

 

[yankee451]

It would look like two vast office buildings with thousands of actors giving the impression that they were actually occupied.

All it would take would be creative lighting and creative writing.

 

[dafydd]

I think it's a deliberate policy that Steve's adopted, a way of enabling him to deal with the "wtf" reaction he gets from everyone he talks to by simply not engaging with any evidence that anyone else puts to him.

I've posted this mp3 link before, but it's worth posting again - Jim Fetzer interviewing Steve/Yankee. I find it useful in gaining a little insight into the kind of character we're dealing with:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim fetzer real deal-steve deak.mp3

*WARNING* contains multiple instances of the J. Fetzer Maniacal Belly Laugh™

If I had given that interview I would have changed my name and gone into hiding.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

If I had given that interview I would have changed my name and gone into hiding.

I guess for no-planers the default setting is "any publicity is good publicity"

 

[DGM]

I think it's a deliberate policy that Steve's adopted, a way of enabling him to deal with the "wtf" reaction he gets from everyone he talks to by simply not engaging with any evidence that anyone else puts to him.

I've posted this mp3 link before, but it's worth posting again - Jim Fetzer interviewing Steve/Yankee. I find it useful in gaining a little insight into the kind of character we're dealing with:

http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim fetzer real deal-steve deak.mp3

*WARNING* contains multiple instances of the J. Fetzer Maniacal Belly Laugh™

Are you saying this is the same guy who's posting here?

I feel almost bad about engaging him. Damn, this makes me feel like a bully.

 

[yankee451]

Are you saying this is the same guy who's posting here?

I feel almost bad about engaging him. Damn, this makes me feel like a bully.

I feel unclean just for being here.

 

[yankee451]

Are you saying this is the same guy who's posting here?

I feel almost bad about engaging him. Damn, this makes me feel like a bully.

"google U fail" - are those technical terms like "OMG" and "WTF"?

 

[DGM]

I feel unclean just for being here.

"google U fail" - are those technical terms like "OMG" and "WTF"?

I would feel better knowing this was not you. That's why I asked. You see, when someone has a question they ask and then listen and evaluate the answer.

I don't know how to take your responses to a question not asked of you. Would you like to actually answer for Ape of Good Hope?

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Redwood
What makes you think Yankers knows what FEA is? He's from the School of Hard Knocks!

Oh, see? There's that respect again.

Yeah, only you geniuses know what a finite element analysis is. You don't have to be an engineer to know how to hire one.

In science and engineering, you earn respect, starting by demonstrating basic competence. So far, all you've demonstrated is a 1/4 mile high mountain of fail. A snotty attitude combined with complete ignorance of the subject matter earns contempt and ridicule.

Seriously Steve, take a deep breath, a step back, and look at the big picture. Even your fellow truthers think you're daffy. Seek help. You are in the grip of a bizarre obsession. It may be chemical/neurological. There are doctors who can treat this.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Redwood
Hey Steve, are you quoting yourself there? I notice that the first two firms on the list are Verizon and Union Bank of California. Are you claiming they don't exist? Amongst the others are Oppenheimer Funds, AT&T, Fuji Bank.... Are they fictional? Are they part of the Vast Conspiracy?

There are two Steves in this world, I was quoting the other one.

I think the point of it all is "what would it look like if they put a bunch of false front companies into empty buildings and blew them up".

Steve, there really is a Union Bank of California. Trust me. I live here in Sunny Southern California. Their offices are real, not holograms. There are plenty of others who can vouch for the reality of AT&T, Verizon, Fuji Bank, Oppenheimer Funds, and the others on the list.

The Trade Center buildings weren't empty. The tenants were real. Maybe besides hiring an engineer to run FEA programs for you, you could hire a private investigator to show that the tenants are real companies.