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Split Thread David Gilroy: murder conviction goes to Scottish Review Commission

This part of the story is a bit horrifying isn't it. So he's killed her, presumably accidentally, and has now decided to dispose of the body. Gilroy is not a serial killer (and even serial killers take a few kills to perfect their 'art' / 'technique') so I doubt he would have the presence of mind to think about puncturing the body or weighing it down. It's just too grotesque for an amateur murderer to think about, isn't it? Just dump it (sorry Suzanne, to reduce you to an 'it') somewhere in the vast landscape of Argyll.

I'm sure this wasn't premeditated. He lost his rag in the heat of an argument and went for her. He had an instant decision to make. Immediately shout for help (affecting not to realise she's dead) and stick to the line that it was a sudden loss of temper and he didn't mean to hurt her. Many men have got off with light sentences for culpable homicide at worst when fielding that defence. Or try to get rid of the body and feign ignorance of her whereabouts. In that space of surely just a few seconds he went for the latter.

But he was in an almost impossible position. The middle of Edinburgh New Town, early in a working day, and he doesn't even have a car. He took the bus to work. Car parking around there is like gold hens' teeth. How is he going to get the body out of there? And yet he managed it. He even had the presence of mind to turn off her mobile phone or otherwise neutralise the risk of it ringing and drawing attention to her body.* The story about having to go home for minutes of a meeting was threadbare - even in 2010 these should have been on his computer, surely he didn't have just one paper copy. He didn't even have a door key to his house, so he took a taxi to his mother's house and asked her to give him a lift, with her key, back home. Once there, instead of just grabbing what he needed and saying, will you run me back to Thistle Street please Mum, he waved her off and declared he would take his own car back. To the worse location in the entire world for parking. I cannot stress this enough. Edinburgh hates cars.

I suspect he loaded his car up with stuff that would allow him to line the boot to keep DNA off the car itself. Duvet? Someone suggested an old tent? And back he went to Thistle Street, and somehow he got parked. And somehow he got her into the boot of this saloon car, in such a way that forensic examination of the car revealed not a trace of her. And this is the part that seems well-nigh impossible, the part that has people saying, surely this is a miscarriage of justice. Or did. But in the famous words of Sherlock Holmes, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be what happened.

That is a spectacular level of competence, from a standing start. I doubt if 1% of the population could equal that. So let's not assume he doesn't have "presence of mind" in abundance. Or that that didn't continue through the next day. (The manoeuvres of Tuesday were actually more difficult and more impressive than the Wednesday, in my opinion.

There is a particular point to this. Another poster said, why do all that risky car and body-shuffling on the Tuesday morning? Why not leave her where she was, go home on the bus at the end of the day, then come back in the evening with the car when the office was empty? Leaving aside the possibility that she might have been discovered during the day, I'll tell you why. Because if he had left her till the evening he could not have got her in the car. Rigor mortis would have set in while she was in position under the stairs, and she could not have been folded up to get into the boot. It is extraordinarily difficult to break rigor mortis. She had to be got into the boot before it set in. He obviously realised this, and that he had to work fast. Chapeau, frankly.

That evening he even took the family out for a meal while Suzanne must still have been in the boot of the car they travelled in. For sheer cool-headedness, that takes the biscuit. He must also at some point have managed to put some more equipment into the car, a change of clothes and/or protective clothing, perhaps some gardening tools. And he bought that air freshener.

So really, I wouldn't at all discount the notion that, if he was thinking about the pond, he realised the body would float if the body cavities weren't punctured, and punctured quite extensively. I've seen a lot of people recoil in "yuk" mode at a lot of things I did in my job, but I suspect he wouldn't have been one of them. I do think, though, that making a mess of the body in such a way that he might have transferred DNA on to his own person would have been something he thought twice about.

Dumping the body can work, as witness the Tony Parsons saga, and the Louise Tiffney mystery, but as the latter shows, an accidental discovery of the body in the place that is consistent with the police theory of how you did the murder can get you a life sentence. Even if it takes 15 years for it to be found. I think Gilroy would have been afraid of that happening to him, and have tried his best to minimise the possibility of an accidental discovery.


* I was wrong when I said turning his own phone off too early might have been his only real mistake. Omitting to continue to text Suzanne after she was dead was another clear mistake.
 
As for these photos, I have never been in the habit of crawling under my car, even when I had an ICE one. Could someone tell me what is revealed, and what is likely to have caused it, and whether it's definitely of recent occurrence or whether it could be historical? (Given what happened to me on the Hardknott Pass in the spring, I think he was bloody lucky not to have a puncture. Although if he had, maybe changing the wheel would have given him some excuse for the missing time.)
 
The BBC video Suzanne Pilley: The woman who vanished is not available anymore but here is a transcript.

In it, Detective Superintendent Gary Flanigan states

"Upon examining the vehicle, it was found that the suspension coil was fractured both at the top and the base. Not only was the front offside suspension coil damaged, the front nearside suspension coil was fractured, and the rear offside suspension coil was also fractured.

"When you put a that into context with the fact that there was longitudinal scrape marks on the under side of the vehicle and there was also vegetation clinging to the under side of the vehicle, it was in my opinion consistent with the vehicle having been driven off road."

Offside is the drivers side and nearside is the passenger side.

So, the front driver side suspension coil was damaged, the front passenger side suspension coil was fractured and the rear drivers side suspension coil was also fractured. There were longitudinal scrape marks to the underside of the car and vegetation was clinging to the under side.

More than likely driven off road.

His car failed its MOT on 8/4/2009 due to brake disc issues but there is no mention of any damage or corrosion on the suspension coils so the coils were intact on 8/4/2009. He could have been unlucky and the coils may have been fractured/damaged before 5/5/2010 due to potholes in the road but you have to be very unlucky to get a fractured coil on the front passenger side and rear drivers side of your car driving on main roads. You may get minor scrape marks on the underside of your car when driving on main roads but major scrape marks on the splash shield and vegetation clinging to the underside indicates off road driving.

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Then it passed on the same day after getting the front brake discs replaced.

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No mention of any repairs required to suspension coils.

The MOT expired on 7/4/2010 (he should not have been driving it on Tuesday 4/5/2010 and Wednesday 5/5/2010)

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Theoretically, could this be Suzanne? The distance from Inveraray to the Rubha Dubh is 26.3 miles and the AA time is 39 minutes. So if he turned left after going through the arch at Inveraray he could have got there and back in 78 minutes (1 hour 18 minutes). The missing time in that section is 1 hour 51 minutes. So that would have allowed 33 minutes to dispose of the body in a place that's not exactly deserted but hey, Wednesday afternoon, weekday, dull weather, you never know. So yes it's not impossible.

A photo of the spot from Google Streetview

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If he did that, his reasoning is far more convoluted than I had any notion of. Drive the northern route, do a very long double-back to the southern route (the route he was in the habit of taking, the route it would be assumed he would take but for the cameras at Doune and Tyndrum) and dump her pretty damn close to the road there. Then scarper back to Inveraray, assuming that the cops would figure out that he had gone by Tyndrum (he would tell them, anyway) and that the very idea of Loch Lomondside would be out of the picture.

If he did the same thing on the way back he would only have had 14 minutes at the Rubha Dubh, but again it's possible. Nevertheless he might well not have gone there, but perhaps gone somewhere else to dispose of tools, protective clothing, whatever.

If that's what he did, why the detour down the Loch Lomondside road on the way home, passing the Rubha Dubh on the way? Seems mad, why not floor it straight back via Glen Ogle, why go right back to drive right past the disposal location? Might be another cunning misdirection, because again who would suspect, etc. etc.

There is one point in favour of this theory. The extra mileage driven comes to 105 miles, if he went back to the same place in the evening. The police did fuel calculations that suggested (to them) that he had driven 124 miles further than his verified route. This very long detour is getting on for that estimate. Which I still think is dodgy as hell.

The huge problem with this plan is that it would leave him wide open to the possibility of accidental discovery of the body, in a place that's well frequented by tourists and holidaymakers. Exactly what has happened, if that is in fact her. I hope it is, because I really want her to be found, but I think it's quite unlikely that it is.

ETA: The BBC is saying in Loch Lomond. For reasons already discussed exhaustively, I do not think he disposed of the body in a loch, I don't think he would have been able to do that. So if that's the case again it speaks to this not being Suzanne.

 
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The BBC video Suzanne Pilley: The woman who vanished is not available anymore but here is a transcript.

In it, Detective Superintendent Gary Flanigan states

"Upon examining the vehicle, it was found that the suspension coil was fractured both at the top and the base. Not only was the front offside suspension coil damaged, the front nearside suspension coil was fractured, and the rear offside suspension coil was also fractured.

"When you put a that into context with the fact that there was longitudinal scrape marks on the under side of the vehicle and there was also vegetation clinging to the under side of the vehicle, it was in my opinion consistent with the vehicle having been driven off road."

Offside is the drivers side and nearside is the passenger side.

So, the front driver side suspension coil was damaged, the front passenger side suspension coil was fractured and the rear drivers side suspension coil was also fractured. There were longitudinal scrape marks to the underside of the car and vegetation was clinging to the under side.

More than likely driven off road.

His car failed its MOT on 8/4/2009 due to brake disc issues but there is no mention of any damage or corrosion on the suspension coils so the coils were intact on 8/4/2009. He could have been unlucky and the coils may have been fractured/damaged before 5/5/2010 due to potholes in the road but you have to be very unlucky to get a fractured coil on the front passenger side and rear drivers side of your car driving on main roads. You may get minor scrape marks on the underside of your car when driving on main roads but major scrape marks on the splash shield and vegetation clinging to the underside indicates off road driving.

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Then it passed on the same day after getting the front brake discs replaced.

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No mention of any repairs required to suspension coils.

The MOT expired on 7/4/2010 (he should not have been driving it on Tuesday 4/5/2010 and Wednesday 5/5/2010)

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Can you find the subsequent MOT record? Because the date we're interested in is 6th May 2010, which is beyond the period covered by this one. Or are you implying that it didn't have a valid MOT at the time of The Journey?

There is an earlier discussion, if we searched the thread, about the car's history with suspension coil problems. It had suffered one broken coil at some point in the past, and that was replaced. That is the only coil that wasn't broken when he returned from Lochgilphead on 6th May. There were four breaks, but one coil was broken in two places.

There has been some discussion about this, because the innocentisti, such as they are, maintain that the Vauxhall Vectra has a particular weakness for breaking suspension coils and thus all these breaks are not at all suspicious. Just the sort of thing that happens to your average Vectra owner, nothing to see here. They link to complaints on car forums about this, but frankly you find all sorts of complaints on car forums and these are not necessarily representative of the experiences of the vast majority of owners. One point raised was that it's not at all unknown for a broken suspension coil to go right through a tyre causing a catastrophic puncture. Gilroy was bloody lucky that didn't happen to him.

ETA: Here is the complaint about the suspension in Vectras, see post #262.


And that's another point about the Rubha Dubh. No off-road driving. Nothing to explain the state of the car. I don't think it's her. Anyway, the police will have her DNA on file, so they'll be able to tell soon enough.
 
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Too late to edit, but another point about the Rubha Dubh find. When I met with Stuart Houston what he told me implied very strongly that there was/is a CCTV camera on the A83 near Arrrochar, and that it had been examined, and there was no trace of Gilroy's car. If that is the case, he can't have doubled back through the R&BT as far as Loch Lomond, or he would have been caught by that camera.

Disappointing. The next best thing to her being found at the Allt Broighleachan picnic place (to justify our claim to be the ultimate sleuths) would be for her to be found somewhere, anywhere. Then her mother and sister would have some closure and we would know what happened. But this isn't it.
 
His car did get a rear shock absorber replaced due to a "serious fluid leak" for its MOT in 2008 but there is no mention of suspension coils (aka coil springs) being replaced on any of the MOT records. After replacement front brake discs were installed his Vectra passed it's MOT on 8/4/2009.

The next MOT was due on 7/4/2010 but his car was not recorded as having failed or passed an MOT in 2010 so his car "didn't have a valid MOT at the time of The Journey."

It would be interesting to know if he drove it between 7/4/2010 and 3/5/2010 to travel to Argyll for school pitch inspections etc or if it was parked on his driveway and didn't move between 7/4/2010 and 3/5/2010 and he intended to SORN it/scrap it/take it to an MOT station at a later date. I wonder if he told IML about any car issues he was having?
 

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I am certain I read about a suspension coil being replaced prior to The Journey, and that that was the only coil that didn't break. It would be normal to have something like that fixed when it happened and not wait until the MOT was due, so I wouldn't expect to see it in the MOT records.

I do remember however that it was reported somewhere that the police couldn't use Gilroy's own car to recreate his journey for timing purposes "because it didn't have an MOT". I assumed that this was connected to the damage that was presumably inflicted during The Journey, after all, the police had said that the car was "virtually undriveable" when they saw it at Corstorphine. I thought perhaps that it meant that the car would have failed an MOT if tested at that point, so they couldn't use it. But that's a funny way of putting it. An MOT is valid for a year, whatever you do to the bloody thing during that time. I drove around for nearly three months in a car that would have failed its MOT due to bodywork damage in an accident leaving a sharp piece of metal on one wheel arch, but it still had an MOT in that time.

So that would suggest that you're right, and the car wasn't tested in April as it should have been, and he'd been driving around illegally for nearly a month without one. So, lacking an MOT (and obviously it would have failed if they'd tried to put it in for one), they couldn't use it. That would make sense. I never heard that he was charged with this, maybe it was such a trivial matter compared to murder that they didn't bother.

I have always doubted this "virtually undriveable" story. He drove back from Tyndrum at more or less the speed the AA web site expected him to travel on that route. The AA times are quite relaxed, but they're not crawling. Everyone who has seen the description of these suspension coils says that the car would have driven like a washing machine with a dying motor, but the fact remains that it didn't seem to slow him down massively.

(Gilroy's story that the car was already damaged before he left is bizarre. Even if it was only one coil at that point, why the hell would you drive all that distance, into an area that isn't exactly littered with recovery garages, to keep a non-urgent appointment, in a car with something seriously wrong with it?)

The car was a 55 plate, so it was first registered between September 2005 and February 2006. If its MOT date was April this would suggest that it was registered in the latter part of that window, maybe February, unless he had let the date drift quite a lot. So it wasn't much more than four years old at the time. That is not an old car. It was high mileage, as one might expect given his job, and he seems to have been doing about 25,000 miles a year, but still, these damn things are good for longer than that. (People with old diesels are always telling me how they go on for ever and 250,000 miles is nothing and they'll never stop driving them in favour of this new-fangled electric rubbish.) It shouldn't have been ready for the scrap heap.

When I drove my own car on work business, at about the same time all this was happening, I had to sign declarations that the car was properly maintained and that I was performing a visual inspection before I drove it, every time (in your dreams). I had to give admin a copy of my certificate of insurance, or else. I don't remember if they also demanded the MOT certificate, not that I remember. But there would have been hell to pay if they'd discovered that any employee was driving a car on college business without an MOT to its name.
 
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The Vectra was first registered on 30/9/2005. It had its first MOT on 20/2/2008 (7 months early) and it failed (when it had covered 59052 miles) but it then passed on 21/2/2008 after repairs. It failed its next MOT on 8/4/2009 having covered 75370 miles but it passed the same day after repairs. On 7/4/2010 another MOT was due but was not done and nothing is recorded on the DVLA website.

There was no previous MOT history of suspension coil damage/fractures (a rear shock absorber was replaced in 2008 due to serious fluid leak) but there was MOT history on worn brake discs and barely legal tyres.

No MOT means he could not tax the car and his insurance would be invalidated so he probably knew his car would fail its MOT and in the meantime (probably due to financial reasons) decided to park it on his driveway. I think he took his Vectra to a garage prior to 7/4/2010 to check if any repairs were needed for the MOT. He got a long list of repairs for brake discs and new tyres and decided it was too expensive and he would park the car on his driveway in the meantime and take the bus to work.

How he was going to inspect schools and football pitches in Argyll without a car?

(Note: he had driven to Argyll 30 times in the previous year and always with a colleague)
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So the car was a bit less than five years old. It was high mileage for its age but nothing out of the ordinary. I wonder why it was MOTed early? It certainly seemed to have its share of problems. How did he put so much wear on it in the time he had it, was he really rough on cars?

I'm sure about the replacement of a suspension coil, it's discussed earlier in the thread. An MOT is not a record of every repair a car has had done to it, only of repairs which are noted as being necessary when it's presented for testing. If a coil broke and was replaced promptly in between tests, the MOT record would not show it. It happened. That replaced coil was the only one not broken when the car was inspected at Corstorphine.

This is speculation about his having decided to keep the car off the road. Edinburgh is the most car-hostile city I know and it's normal for people to take the bus to work rather than use their cars unless they have a pressing need of the car there for some other reason. He also used the car to take the wife and kids out that evening, remember? He'd have been unlikely to do that if he'd decided not to run it.

I think he was procrastinating about the MOT because, as you say, the car was going to need a lot of work. However, I don't think he wasn't driving it, I think he was just driving it without the MOT. It's entirely possible he had valid insurance and road tax. The car was registered in September therefore its road tax would have been due and paid the previous September, and would still be valid. Same goes for the insurance if the renewal date was September, which it probably was. His MOT had only lapsed a month previously.

He would have been in a bit of bother if he'd been stopped and found to have no MOT, but his tax and insurance would have been OK.
 
If you've no MOT your insurance is usually void too. Not sure if the police had the automatic in-car ANPR systems in 2010 as they do now, but he was taking a risk driving the Vectra. I'd be sweating even without a body in the boot!

I've been trawling old satellite scans to see when they removed the concrete surface water trough from the last downhill section of the track to the bridge. It was deep and wide, and no doubt removed when they upgraded the track for timber extraction. I crashed into it on my bike when returning to the bridge, having cycled over it on the way up - big though it was, I didn't see it until I was on it, the front wheel slammed into the opposite side of the trough, locked in the forks and I was catapulted off. Certainly big enough to cause catastrophic damage to car suspension (as it did to my front wheel), and if he was in a hurry to get off the track he could have forgotten about it too.

It's a small thing but if it was still there (having been covered over or shifted to one side rather than removed) then it may have paint traces to match a Vectra underside. Those photos of the car underside posted by NOTD appear to show, to my untrained eye, wide scrapes consistent with a concrete trough, rather than individual boulder bumps. Some real straws being clutched here though.

(Edit: no luck locating it on satellite views so far - views from around that time are in shadow from the trees. But if I assume it was removed for the track upgrade, it would have been there for Gilroy. I'm trying to find it to help me locate the position if I go back for a look. It was between the spur up to the picnic area and the bridge, but out of sight of the bridge).
 
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If you've no MOT your insurance is usually void too. Not sure if the police had the automatic in-car ANPR systems in 2010 as they do now, but he was taking a risk driving the Vectra. I'd be sweating even without a body in the boot!

I've been trawling old satellite scans to see when they removed the concrete surface water trough from the last downhill section of the track to the bridge. It was deep and wide, and no doubt removed when they upgraded the track for timber extraction. I crashed into it on my bike when returning to the bridge, having cycled over it on the way up - big though it was, I didn't see it until I was on it, the front wheel slammed into the opposite side of the trough, locked in the forks and I was catapulted off. Certainly big enough to cause catastrophic damage to car suspension (as it did to my front wheel), and if he was in a hurry to get off the track he could have forgotten about it too.

It's a small thing but if it was still there (having been covered over or shifted to one side rather than removed) then it may have paint traces to match a Vectra underside. Those photos of the car underside posted by NOTD appear to show, to my untrained eye, wide scrapes consistent with a concrete trough, rather than individual boulder bumps. Some real straws being clutched here though.

(Edit: no luck locating it on satellite views so far - views from around that time are in shadow from the trees. But if I assume it was removed for the track upgrade, it would have been there for Gilroy. I'm trying to find it to help me locate the position if I go back for a look. It was between the spur up to the picnic area and the bridge, but out of sight of the bridge).
The bridge replacement was completed in March 2018. The first round of tree felling (starting from after the bridge) began sometime between 31/12/2019 and 13/4/2020 and during this period another track (to the right of the track that leads to the picnic bench was added) It is possible the gate on the track to the picnic bench was installed during this period and the "concrete water trough" was covered over. If so, Gilroy would not have encountered the gate in May 2010 but he may have encountered the concrete trough. The image resolution on Google Earth is not good enough to see the trough. The track leading to the picnic bench has numerous potholes which would test a cars suspension coils as seen in these images from 2008 and 2010. Google Earth 31st December 2019.jpgGoogle Earth 13th April 2020.jpg
 
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I first went up there in May 2019, the new track was complete and the tree felling was well under way. The opposite side of the road had been cleared and the felling had started around the bridge and to the north-east of the bridge. The place looked really different from what I had already taken in from all my examination of photos and Google images from around 2010. The other track, that branches off from the original one to the right not that far above the bridge was already there, and I realised it was the completion of a track that was already there leaving the car park at Bridge of Orchy back in 2010.

Once I got past the junction of the new track with the old, the place suddenly turned into the place I'd seen in the 2010 images. OK I think there was some felling to the right still, but after a bit I'd climbed above that and we were back to "normal" except that the signposts had been renewed in a different style. When I got to the picnic place a lot of small conifers had been felled, and the big lone pine had had its lower branches lopped off. These removed branches had been thrown into the depression of the old watercourse just above the pond. Judging by how fresh the cut ends were, I think that had been done only a few days previously. (I don't know what the purpose of that was.)

I was also riding a bike and I came back down pretty fast. I didn't fall off and I didn't notice anything trying to make me fall off, so no concrete watercourse I don't think.

ETA: Here's the post where I began my account of that trip. The post is dated 15th May 2019, so I went on 14th May 2019. It was the closest I could manage to Gilroy's trip as regards time of year (and me waiting for a nice day). I have corrected a couple of minor errors.

Hi, Night of the Demon.

I only just saw these posts as I haven't been checking this part of the forum regularly enough. I went up to the B8074 yesterday and in fact I came to the opposite conclusion to you.

My thoughts have increasingly centred on something you mentioned in post 631. That Gilroy knew where he was going before he left Edinburgh. I can't get past the way he drove almost non-stop to Tyndrum, going through some pretty promising body-disposal countryside on the way. I drove up there trying to think like someone who had a body in the back of the car (as opposed to a bicycle), and was looking for somewhere to hide it. My parameters were that I'd wait until I was into the Highlands, but I had to find somewhere before Dalmally. (The reason for that latter restriction is that I believe he was running an interference pattern with his mobile phone designed to mislead investigators into thinking he'd driven over the Rest and Be Thankful, so he'd be looking for somewhere well before Inveraray.)

Under these circumstances I don't think for a moment I'd have driven through Strathyre, past the turnoff for Balquhidder and all round there without trying to find somewhere. I'm aware that he lost eight minutes on that part of the journey but that's not really long enough for a serious attempt to find a disposal site. It's more likely that he stopped to eat that sandwich he bought in Queensferry Road.

I also wondered if he'd stopped in Callander to buy an OS map, but that's problematic. The bookshop only sells second-hand stuff. I bought a rebound antique copy of Buchan's The Dancing Floor and had a chat with the owner. She said she occasionally gets local maps in, but they go fast as "people come in here wanting one for £2 rather than paying £10 for them in one of the other shops." I asked her about buying new maps and she said several of the other shops sold them. However I had trouble finding one. The tourist information centre only opens at weekends. The newsagent was shut, for no apparent reason. Another possible shop was also shut, "back in 2 minutes" yeah a likely story. I did find new maps in a fishing tackle shop but they didn't have the 1:25,000 377 one for Tyndrum, only more local ones.

So I doubt it that he was able to stop in Callander and buy a map in eight minutes. Also, although I suppose with his military background he could read a map, when did he read it? It takes time to pore over one of these things and decide where you're going to go. And yet if he did buy a map in Callander he immediately got back in his car and drove non-stop to Tyndrum. Does not compute.

So I think the eight minutes was probably a stop to eat the sandwiches. One thing that has struck me about all this is that he wasn't exactly speeding. The AA times are quite relaxed and yet he mostly drove to these times. He wasn't in a huge hurry on the road. Again this speaks to me of someone with a plan who wasn't running round in a panic looking for somewhere to go.

Almost by chance I passed the Green Welly at exactly 13:22 (I left the village here at 10:30 after buying a picnic, and because I went round the bypass straight on to the M8/M9 and didn't go anywhere near the city centre I was still over half an hour ahead of Gilroy's time until I spent over half an hour dicking around in Callander). I drove straight to the Allt Broighleachan, just glancing at the Achnafalnich track on the way. I got to the car park at the Allt Broighleachan at 13:47. It takes nine or ten minutes to drive there from the B8074/A85 junction.

I wasn't impressed by the Achnafalnich track when I saw it, but for reasons explained later I didn't stop to investigate it. There was much much more grass growth than in your pictures from early April and it actually didn't look as if you could get a car up it - there were no defined wheel tracks at all. My gut feeling, from behind the wheel of my own car, was that he wouldn't risk it. That Vectra was his life, right then. If he ditched it, he was toast and looking at a life sentence without any doubt. I wouldn't have taken my Golf up that track yesterday for any money. However I could be wrong and I keep a moderately open mind. I intend to go back and have a closer look.

Bear in mind that the road-end of the Allt Broighleachan track looked a lot different in 2010. I knew the car park was there because you can see it in the OS aerial view, but it definitely wasn't there in 2010 because there's no sign of it on Google Streetview and the Google van went up the B8074 in April 2011. Also, as you will have seen, there has been a lot of very recent tree-felling just there. The entire place is much more open and not only is there a new forestry road coming in over the Eas Urchaidh bridge, it seems to continue on the other side of the road.

I was expecting the new bridge because of what you can see on the OS aerial view, which is a lot newer than the map itself. There is a new forestry road being driven right along the north-west side of Glen Orchy from Bridge of Orchy, and although it wasn't at the Allt Broighleachan when the picture was taken you can see from the direction of the track and the cleared trees that it was heading for there. So I expected to see a new, wider track and a new bridge big enough to take the sort of vehicles that would come on the new road.

However I could also see from the OS aerial view that the new track joins the old track only about 0.5 km up from the bridge. Beyond that the place would be much as it was in 2010 (as can be seen from the photos Hugh Venables took on 1st June 2010). And so it proved to be.

There were several people in the car park when I parked, but they weren't going over the bridge. A guy with a Westie, taking it for a walk. Just tourists, and not many of them, stopped beside the B8074. Remember that car park didn't exist in 2010, the place was gloomy with mature conifers, and there was nowhere to park. There's no reason to believe there would have been people hanging around like that nine years ago.

So I got my bike out of my car and packed the picnic and my map and my camera, and (fortunately) put on a pair of decent walking shoes, and set off across the new bridge.

I hadn't gone far when a Forestry Commission landrover towing a trailer came past in the other direction. The driver and passenger waved and smiled. But bear in mind I was still on the new track at this point, and the landrover came along the new track - I saw it approach. I'm not counting any encounters below where the new track comes in, because that traffic is entirely driven by the recent developments and there's no reason it would have been there in 2010.

Above the new track it was still a bit different from 2010 for a short way, in that there's a lot of felling going on to the right of the track, on the east bank of the Allt Broighleachan. There was another new track (narrow) leading off through the felled plantation which might be an analogue of the track marked there on the OS map but I couldn't swear it was the same line. There was a sign saying don't go there, forestry operations. However, not far above that, everything became extremely peaceful.
 
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I first went up there in May 2019, the new track was complete and the tree felling was well under way. The opposite side of the road had been cleared and the felling had started around the bridge and to the north-east of the bridge. The place looked really different from what I had already taken in from all my examination of photos and Google images from around 2010. The other track, that branches off from the original one to the right not that far above the bridge was already there, and I realised it was the completion of a track that was already there leaving the car park at Bridge of Orchy back in 2010.

Once I got past the junction of the new track with the old, the place suddenly turned into the place I'd seen in the 2010 images. OK I think there was some felling to the right still, but after a bit I'd climbed above that and we were back to "normal" except that the signposts had been renewed in a different style. When I got to the picnic place a lot of small conifers had been felled, and the big lone pine had had its lower branches lopped off. These removed branches had been thrown into the depression of the old watercourse just above the pond. Judging by how fresh the cut ends were, I think that had been done only a few days previously. (I don't know what the purpose of that was.)

I was also riding a bike and I came back down pretty fast. I didn't fall off and I didn't notice anything trying to make me fall off, so no concrete watercourse I don't think.

ETA: Here's the post where I began my account of that trip. The post is dated 15th May 2019, so I went on 14th May 2019. It was the closest I could manage to Gilroy's trip as regards time of year (and me waiting for a nice day). I have corrected a couple of minor errors.
The only info I could find was this (screengrab from page 3 of this pdf) which shows that the application for the forest access road at the Glen Orchy forest was approved on 23/11/2018. The forest track construction started some time after this (spring 2019 maybe) so it is possible the "concrete water trough" was filled in then and the gate was installed too. If so, the "concrete water trough" was there in 2010.
Access Road application.jpg
 
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I think that if it was there in the 1990s when Alduma came a cropper, it would still have been there in 2010. The place seems to have been more or less untouched until about 2018. I'm sorry I didn't see it before that, but we have masses of photos.
 
A recent death, then. When they were saying "remains" rather than "a body" I thought maybe it was something more historic. It sounds very much as if the body has been in the loch and been washed up on the shore there. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns in to another murder inquiry.

I really wish Suzanne could be found by chance like this, so we could at last figure out what he did with her.
 
From Rolfe's post number 1091

"Of course the car park wasn't there in 2010 and the bridge was that rickety structure leading directly into what looked like dark forest."

As can be seen from 1.53 in this video which was taken on 18th July 2014 and uploaded on 31st May 2015.
Bridge 31st May 2015.jpg
 
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