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Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

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You are frankly, wrong, and actually avoiding the conversation.

I thought to myself, self I thought, when you open the thread you are going to read the lines words "illusory superiority" and BOOM! There they were!

You think that "litigation holds, data preservation requirements when facing subpoenas and governmental investigations", is the same thing as "IT security and data security."

That is adorable.
 
I thought to myself, self I thought, when you open the thread you are going to read the lines words "illusory superiority" and BOOM! There they were!

You think that "litigation holds, data preservation requirements when facing subpoenas and governmental investigations", is the same thing as "IT security and data security."

That is adorable.

Amazing! You continue to puff yourself up, talk down to anyone, and speak nothing as though it were gospel truth!
It's like you speak lies, and consider them truth! Just as I knew you would.
 
I thought to myself, self I thought, when you open the thread you are going to read the lines words "illusory superiority" and BOOM! There they were!

You think that "litigation holds, data preservation requirements when facing subpoenas and governmental investigations", is the same thing as "IT security and data security."

That is adorable.

If you're going to use quotation marks, get the quote right. During the course of my studies, data preservation requirements are apart of best practices. It's all tied into data protection. Just like I had to memorize HIPAA requirements, I've been working on doing the same for data protection.

As mentioned, you are blatantly avoiding the conversation though, and it's hilarious to watch. You've slowly backed up more, and more, and more. Now it's down to just snarky comments and bickering about what my degree requires.
 
If you're going to use quotation marks, get the quote right. During the course of my studies, data preservation requirements are apart of best practices. It's all tied into data protection. Just like I had to memorize HIPAA requirements, I've been working on doing the same for data protection.

As mentioned, you are blatantly avoiding the conversation though, and it's hilarious to watch. You've slowly backed up more, and more, and more. Now it's down to just snarky comments and bickering about what my degree requires.

"During the course of my studies, data preservation requirements are apart of best practices." Oh dear, well then lets talk about whether Hillary's conduct in destroying documents after being requested by among others, FOIA requests, the State Department and various Congressional Committees constituted "best practices" in line with the American Bar Association's guidelines I posted some moments ago.

I am certain I am not avoiding the conversation tho, which concerns the fact that Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to destroy documents and other evidence and did so in a spectacularly incompetent way.

I do appreciate you bringing your experience to bear on keeping this issue right in the forefront all afternoon!
 
"During the course of my studies, data preservation requirements are apart of best practices." Oh dear, well then lets talk about whether Hillary's conduct in destroying documents after being requested by among others, FOIA requests, the State Department and various Congressional Committees constituted "best practices" in line with the American Bar Association's guidelines I posted some moments ago.

I've said repeatedly that it was stupid, but not illegal. I can't possibly make that point more clear. What else do you want? I can say what I believe to be true, but you don't believe anything I say anyway. You've told me I'm wrong all afternoon, even after I confirm what I've said with sources.

I am certain I am not avoiding the conversation tho, which concerns the fact that Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to destroy documents and other evidence and did so in a spectacularly incompetent way.

Well, that might be what you've changed it into now, but that's not what it was about when you started. Your original claims were that the IT staff didn't know she had it. Which was ridiculous because they knew she had a blackberry, and email (which she was getting on the blackberry). Putting the two together is grade level stuff. What would they have assumed that would have been better? That she was using public email? They knew she wasn't using government email, you've admitted as such. Sounds like lazy IT to work, combined with a 65+ year old individual that knows nothing about technology.

I'm not condoning what she did at all, but as someone that ran his own email server (until Google hosting made it almost impossible not to use), none of this is mind blowing to me.

I do appreciate you bringing your experience to bear on keeping this issue right in the forefront all afternoon!

Yeah buddy. Anything that helps you imagine people are stroking your ego as you cling on to a 2 year old conspiracy theory in wild hopes that Hillary get arrested for something where no laws were broken.

Your e-ego must be off the chain!
 
I've said repeatedly that it was stupid, but not illegal. I can't possibly make that point more clear. What else do you want? I can say what I believe to be true, but you don't believe anything I say anyway. You've told me I'm wrong all afternoon, even after I confirm what I've said with sources.



Well, that might be what you've changed it into now, but that's not what it was about when you started. Your original claims were that the IT staff didn't know she had it. Which was ridiculous because they knew she had a blackberry, and email (which she was getting on the blackberry). Putting the two together is grade level stuff. What would they have assumed that would have been better? That she was using public email? They knew she wasn't using government email, you've admitted as such. Sounds like lazy IT to work, combined with a 65+ year old individual that knows nothing about technology.

I changed it? But we are using your experience in the field to talk about how "they've torn the server apart" and then how when they tore the server apart it had already been wiped clean and how Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to cover up their documents.

And I have personally found that your experience in the field is an OUTSTANDING vehicle for keeping the fact that Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to cover up their document destruction front and center all day long.

Thanks!
 
I changed it? But we are using your experience in the field to talk about how "they've torn the server apart" and then how when they tore the server apart it had already been wiped clean and how Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to cover up their documents.

Maybe...maybe you don't read very well? Can you explain to me which part of my statements have been false? They did tear it apart, there's nothing to say that it didn't contain any information on it (go back and read my link, it says in there they found documents on the old server), and they already knew they had backups. Just like CTists, you require everyone involved to be both extremely stupid, extremely intelligent, and nothing but nefarious from head to toe with everyone being involved in the cover up.

ETA: In fact, they contracted Datto and Platte to have backups on the local network haha. So yeah, just more of their nefarious coverups.

And I have personally found that your experience in the field is an OUTSTANDING vehicle for keeping the fact that Hillary and her incompetent staff tried to cover up their document destruction front and center all day long.

Thanks!

But...you're not. You know that right? Just because you claim victory doesn't mean you're actually making sense. Whatever, though. As long as you feel on top of the world that's the good part.

I'm still laughing at the fact that Benghazi was a fail, now this is a fail, and you guys are still crying wolf. :thumbsup:
 
Maybe...maybe you don't read very well? Can you explain to me which part of my statements have been false? They did tear it apart, there's nothing to say that it didn't contain any information on it (go back and read my link, it says in there they found documents on the old server), and they already knew they had backups. Just like CTists, you require everyone involved to be both extremely stupid, extremely intelligent, and nothing but nefarious from head to toe with everyone being involved in the cover up.

ETA: In fact, they contracted Datto and Platte to have backups on the local network haha. So yeah, just more of their nefarious coverups.

They found documents on the server? ZOUNDS! That will be news to Hillary's lawyer who said that the server was blank! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

So the server that you claim they "tore apart" was deliberately wiped clean before they "tore it apart,' and there was some significance to your claim that they tore apart a blank server (which to someone who does not have your experience a claim that they tore apart a blank server sounds like total ********) but I guess there is some significance to "tearing apart a blank server" that people without a big bunch of experience just can't cotton to.

Weird they contracted datto to have backups??? but not having your experience in the field it seems like you just said "Datto had illegally created a backup."

Huh, maybe this is a whole bunch to ask, but can you explain the discrepancy, or maybe give us a link?

That way we will all win.
 
cowboy server

As a fourth generation Texan whose family history reads like a chronicle of the country's westward migration, whose cowboy boots are scuffed by stirrups rather than dance floors, but for whom the phrase "all hat no cattle" is entirely accurate (having worn out and discarded several Stetsons, still owning four), I just want to say The Big Dog's many pejorative references to "cowboy server" are not just evidence of ignorance concerning information technology, but are also an expression of bigotry directed against an enduring archetype of hard-working Americans.

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Hillary was right to set up a cowboy server, all hail Hillary.

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As phiwum wrote:

Why the constant apparently disparaging references to a "cowboy" email server? I run a simple email server for my personal use. Not sure what that has to do with cowboys.

...(snip)...I don't defend Clinton's choice here.

But I also tire of bizarre pejoratives. Private email servers aren't "cowboy" servers.


I'm with phiwum on this.

"cowboy" defined as a person who is reckless or careless.

Now no one has claimed that all private email servers are cowboy servers, what we are saying that Hillary's homebrew slapdash private email server was cowboy.


That's an odd definition of "cowboy". The cowboys I've known were neither reckless nor careless. Cowboys who are reckless or careless often end up dead or injured; herding cattle isn't as safe as running a server in your basement.

Why do you hate America?


When a Hillary hater has so much trouble expressing himself without relying on bigoted stereotypes of an occupation whose famously multicultural practitioners have been honored by presidents ranging from Teddy Roosevelt and Truman to LBJ and Reagan, it's a fair question to ask.
 
As a fourth generation Texan whose family history reads like a chronicle of the country's westward migration, whose cowboy boots are scuffed by stirrups rather than dance floors, but for whom the phrase "all hat no cattle" is entirely accurate (having worn out and discarded several Stetsons, still owning four), I just want to say The Big Dog's many pejorative references to "cowboy server" are not just evidence of ignorance concerning information technology, but are also an expression of bigotry directed against an enduring archetype of hard-working Americans.

'm with phiwum on this.

That's an odd definition of "cowboy". The cowboys I've known were neither reckless nor careless. Cowboys who are reckless or careless often end up dead or injured; herding cattle isn't as safe as running a server in your basement.

When a Hillary hater has so much trouble expressing himself without relying on bigoted stereotypes of an occupation whose famously multicultural practitioners have been honored by presidents ranging from Teddy Roosevelt and Truman to LBJ and Reagan, it's a fair question to ask.

settle down, cowboy:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cowboy

definition 3.

Truman (the haberdasher) and Reagan (the actor) were cowboys?
 


That meaning of "cowboy" is a pejorative relied upon by those whom Stephen Miller would malign for their urban, elitist, "cosmopolitan" bias.

Truman (the haberdasher) and Reagan (the actor) were cowboys?


Are you saying they were cowboys? If so, you should explain why you think Truman and Reagan were cowboys in the same sense that Hillary's server was a cowboy.

I never said Truman and Reagan were cowboys. I said Truman and Reagan (and T Roosevelt and LBJ) "honored" cowboys rather than disparaging them.

That's an important difference between you and the four presidents I named.
 
That meaning of "cowboy" is a pejorative relied upon by those whom Stephen Miller would malign for their urban, elitist, "cosmopolitan" bias.

Are you saying they were cowboys? If so, you should explain why you think Truman and Reagan were cowboys in the same sense that Hillary's server was a cowboy.

I never said Truman and Reagan were cowboys. I said Truman and Reagan (and T Roosevelt and LBJ) "honored" cowboys rather than disparaging them.

That's an important difference between you and the four presidents I named.

Honored Cowboys. Check. I will do likewise and as such I have lined up movies that likewise honor them.

First, midnight cowboy. Then broke back mountain.

Gonna be one heck of double feature.
 
The server was not at fault. In fact, the server did its assigned task quite well, and calling it a cowboy does not denigrate its efforts. It is Hillary's fault for using a cowboy server for official correspondence, and even classified information. I think that is what TBD was getting at.

Also, I think Hillary's treatment of such an efficient and faithful server was atrocious. First, it had its memory wiped; then it was sent to the FBI to be torn apart. I hope, in the end, it got a proper burial at least.
 
The server was not at fault. In fact, the server did its assigned task quite well, and calling it a cowboy does not denigrate its efforts. It is Hillary's fault for using a cowboy server for official correspondence, and even classified information. I think that is what TBD was getting at.

Also, I think Hillary's treatment of such an efficient and faithful server was atrocious. First, it had its memory wiped; then it was sent to the FBI to be torn apart. I hope, in the end, it got a proper burial at least.

Sounds like the ending of Braveheart, which was also fiction masquerading as fact. Just sayin'.
 
They found documents on the server? ZOUNDS! That will be news to Hillary's lawyer who said that the server was blank! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

Apparently my post didn't go through, but you should probably read that entire article. It actually backs up every single thing I've said. Also, lawyers do lawyer stuff, they don't do IT stuff. That's why we don't have a single lawyer on staff here at the IT company I work at. They don't help.

From your article:

Platte River Networks, said the server was "blank," noting that information once contained on it had been migrated to other servers when Platte River took over management of the Clintons' e-mail system. The lawyer did not address whether the blank server had been "wiped" of data. FBI technology experts are expected to try and recover data on the server

This week, a spokesman for the company said he could not be certain the server was in fact blank nor whether it had been "wiped."

So it looks like the FBI took it because no one could confirm that it actually had been "wiped". It says it's blank, which means it has no OS, but it doesn't sound like anyone with actual technical knowledge has said that it was "wiped". Curious. Thank you for bringing this to my attention bud.

So the server that you claim they "tore apart" was deliberately wiped clean before they "tore it apart,' and there was some significance to your claim that they tore apart a blank server (which to someone who does not have your experience a claim that they tore apart a blank server sounds like total ********) but I guess there is some significance to "tearing apart a blank server" that people without a big bunch of experience just can't cotton to.

Actually, the FBI said they were going to try and recover data, or also known as in the technical world, tearing it apart. You have to get the hard drives, and if you're really lucky or sometimes good you can get info from the RAM. Again, per your article:

FBI technology experts are expected to try and recover data on the server

See, you don't know the difference between "blank" and "wiped". So you're right, without my technical knowledge you're trying to comment on things you know absolutely nothing about. Wanna try again? Maybe a different article?

Weird they contracted datto to have backups??? but not having your experience in the field it seems like you just said "Datto had illegally created a backup."

OMG YOU TOTALLY GOT ME!!! Just kidding, more of your lack of technical knowledge coming through. Datto/Platte were contracted to do local backups/screenshots of the server. They were not contracted, requested, or told to put those backups from the local storage to cloud storage. That's where it became illegal. They took data that wasn't theirs and put it somewhere they shouldn't, and then held on to it without any permission at all. That's why they required Hillary (the end user) to give permission to turn it over. She could have fought it, and honestly, had a pretty good case.

Huh, maybe this is a whole bunch to ask, but can you explain the discrepancy, or maybe give us a link?

That way we will all win.

I hope I broke it down well enough so your next snarky, uneducated post can tell me more stuff I don't know.
 
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Apparently my post didn't go through, but you should probably read that entire article. It actually backs up every single thing I've said. Also, lawyers do lawyer stuff, they don't do IT stuff. That's why we don't have a single lawyer on staff here at the IT company I work at. They don't help.

Oh man, that is sensational in every respect. Here we are talking about the duty to preserve evidence in anticipation of an investigation, subpoena or litigation, and you say that lawyers don't help. Later, you opine however that you thought she had a "pretty good case" fighting a search warrant from the FBI regarding her server? Seriously that is unbelievably ludicrous.

Also lets take a deep dive, shall we:

"In fact, they contracted Datto and Platte to have backups on the local network haha."

Whoa that seems significant and probably shows Hillary in a super good light, assuming of course that the local backups covered the relevant period of when she was SoS, I mean of course it must because there is absolutely no way ever that you would have mentioned that unless those backups covered the relevant period, right? Of course, I mean otherwise that would be so incredibly misleading....

I just think if we have it in writing that they told us to cut the backups, and that we can go public with our statement saying we have had the backups since day one, then we were told to trim to 30 days, it would make us look a WHOLE LOT better.

Copies of the emails here

Wait... they had the backups and Hillary and her gang of scum deliberately told them in 2015 to cut it to 30 *********** days? And you were just crowing about that, which actually makes them look much, much worse? Fantastic

As they say in the business? "haha"
 
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Oh man, that is sensational in every respect. Here we are talking about the duty to preserve evidence in anticipation of an investigation, subpoena or litigation, and you say that lawyers don't help. Later, you opine however that you thought she had a "pretty good case" fighting a search warrant from the FBI regarding her server? Seriously that is unbelievably ludicrous.

Oh good, you're moving everything around again. It is fun to watch you squirm. YOU made a statement that Hillary's LAWYER said the server was blank. I used your own article to say you're full of ****, and his opinion or statement isn't relevant in a technical aspect. Proven by the fact that the people with TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE said that the server wasn't wiped. Now you post this drivel? Seriously, just stop. I specifically replied to your statement. If you want to keep this up, I think I've proven my point extremely well to anyone that would ever want to read this. You don't know what you're talking about, you refuse to accept anything that doesn't fit into your confirmation bias, and you're fighting just to keep your head above water. It's hilarious. I've said, repeatedly, that it was stupid, but not illegal. That's still the case.

Also lets take a deep dive, shall we:

"In fact, they contracted Datto and Platte to have backups on the local network haha."

Whoa that seems significant and probably shows Hillary in a super good light, assuming of course that the local backups covered the relevant period of when she was SoS, I mean of course it must because there is absolutely no way ever that you would have mentioned that unless those backups covered the relevant period, right? Of course, I mean otherwise that would be so incredibly misleading....

*yawn* It's like you're trying to be obtuse. Again, from your article:

A technology services company hired by the Clintons in 2013 to manage their e-mail turned that server over to the FBI last week from a warehouse where it had been stored since it was removed in June of that year from the Clinton home. Last week, a lawyer for the company, Platte River Networks, said the server was "blank," noting that information once contained on it had been migrated to other servers when Platte River took over management of the Clintons' e-mail system

When they received the machine, before transferring the information to a virtual server, they backed up the machine...EVERYTHING on the machine. So yes, the relevant period was covered. In fact, the backups she approved to be handed over to the FBI had everything in them as well.


You link me to an article from the daily caller where it has an email that admits that PRN has absolutely no evidence at all that Hillary went from 60 days to 30 days? Why? What help is that?

Anyway, going from 60 days to 30 days is extremely standard. It even fits the timeline. They switched to PRN in 2013, over the next few years it was (probably) discovered that they either need more space, or have to cut the backups. I am actually impressed by a 60 day data retention. That's pretty long to me. I think we do 14 days. Again, nothing nefarious or strange unless you're blinded by hate for Hillary.

Do you know what data retention is?

Wait... they had the backups and Hillary and her gang of scum deliberately told them in 2015 to cut it to 30 *********** days? And you were just crowing about that, which actually makes them look much, much worse? Fantastic

As they say in the business? "haha"

As they say in the business, people who don't know **** about something generally scream the loudest. I believe 30 days is actually best practice. You realize that when they refer to a 30 day retention that doesn't mean for all email, right? Emails that are in your inbox, or saved in folders remain there. Just curious because it appears you really had no idea.
 
Oh man, now we have TWO lawyers who have the temerity to disagree with your experience in the field of litigation hold letters and whether the server was blank.

By the way, folks? Anyone who thinks that intentionally deleting backups of documents that are subject to outstanding subpoenas, potential litigation or government investigations is "best practices" you will likely find your way on the fast track to an obstruction of justice charge or contempt of court.
 
Oh man, now we have TWO lawyers who have the temerity to disagree with your experience in the field of litigation hold letters and whether the server was blank.

By the way, folks? Anyone who thinks that intentionally deleting backups of documents that are subject to outstanding subpoenas, potential litigation or government investigations is "best practices" you will likely find your way on the fast track to an obstruction of justice charge or contempt of court.

I'm done here. I think anyone that reads this will have the intelligence to know that you're just being ridiculous in hopes of not losing face.

I never said that deleting it was best practices. That's the dumbest interpretation someone could make. I said going from 30 days to 60 days isn't strange.

Anyway, if anyone else wants to have a real conversation instead of twisting things to try and win some internet points. I'll be around. This is 9/11 truther type stuff, and I have a limit on that.

Later Dog
 
Judicial watch releases more of Hillary's emails!

The heroes at Judicial watch are keeping Americans up to date and have released another tranche of documents from Hillary's cowboy server.

Are there classified documents? Oh you know there are

Are there work documents that Hillary did not turn over to State? Oh hells yes.

The documents included 97 email exchanges with Clinton not previously turned over to the State Department, bringing the known total to date to at least 627 emails that were not part of the 55,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over, and further contradicting a statement by Clinton that, “as far as she knew,” all of her government emails had been turned over to department.

Thank you Judicial Watch!
 
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