Dr. MAS said:
Why are you applying Avogadro's law here? And what is the hitch in not applying “probability law� Somebody told you about Avogadro's law and you blindly started writing comments that the dilution does not contain any molecule in above 18c potency and never thought that there are so many chemistry rules which can be applied other than Avogadro's law.
First you declare and verify on this forum that according to you “the paranormal part of homeopathy is, its dilution has no molecule in above 30c potency†then a protocol can be built to prove that “yesâ€, the molecules are present in 31c potency. Ok come forward and verify your statement.
Well, perhaps we are moving forward a little here.
Dr. Mas seems to think he can show that there are molecules of the mother tincture present in a dilution greater than 30C. Since he seems to be aware of the discreteness af matter and the magnitude of Avogadro's number, perhaps we have to speculate how he intends to do this.
Let me make a prediction.
His chosen method will not be any physical test, it will be theoretical.
There would, theoretically, be mother tincture molecules present in a 30C preparation
if the volume of the preparation was sufficiently great.
Consider a thought experiment. Instead of the classical method of preparing C-series homoeopathic solutions, in which 99% of each dilution step is thrown away, you don't throw anything away.
[Health warning: I may have got this wrong. If I have, feel free to make fun of me.]
You begin with 0.01ml of the mother tincture.
You make this up to 1ml with stock solvent and succuss.
You then make this up to 100ml with stock solvent and succuss.
You then make this up to 10L with stock solvent and succuss.
You then make this up to 1,000L with stock solvent and succuss.
I think you get the general idea. We've reached 4C. How many litres do we have when we get to 30C? I'm sure Dr. Mas can tell us. (Hint, it's a 10 followed by 54 zeros, in this calculation.)
Nevertheless, nothing has been thrown away. Therefore, the original 0.01ml of the mother tincture
is still there. Of course. The dilution is so astronomical that there is no possible way that you could physically detect these molecules, but it's undeniable they're floating around in there somewhere. In theory of course, because it's impossible to do this experiment for real due to the enormous quantities involved.
Thus there is a finite possibility that a (say) 10ml sample of this astronomical quantity of material might have a single molecule in it. Maybe even more than one molecule, if these questionable clustering effects described in a couple of papers actually exist, though in that case the probability of a second sample having any molecules is proportionately reduced.
This is a fact. If you prepare enough (say) Belladonna 30C, you will eventually come across one bottle with a molecule in it. Just how much you'd need to prepare to give yourself a 50/50 chance is something I leave for others to calculate. (Actually, it's not easy as we don't know the concentration of the mother tincture, and the mother tincture is itself a mish-mash of everything to be found in the entire deadly nightshade plant.)
Of course, this is entirely irrelevant to any clinical effects of homoeopathic remedies. If this one molecule in this extremely rare bottle of remedy is the important thing, then what about all the other bottles which have no molecules in them? Don't they "work"? The claim that homoeopathy works clearly requires that all the bottles of remedy are efficacious, not just the very very rare bottle that happens to have the molecule.
I think Dr. Mas knows all this. I also wonder if he's trying to play silly probability claims. OK, me first. Theoretically, I can show that there are molecules of the mother tincture still present in a 30C preparation, so long as you allow me to assume that I have 10<sup>54</sup> litres of the stuff. And you don't expect me to be able to demonstrate this in any way other than theoretically.
Can I have the million?
Rolfe.