What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[steenkh]

If you were to convince the FDA that your Bel 12C is indeed unadulterated medium with a single belladonna molecule in it, you would need to have a clean-room setup that would make a semiconductor lab look like a sweat-shop.

And the same setup would probably be necessary for the JREF test!

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yes, if the criterion was to be existence of molecules. This also explains why I want the blaks to be prepared in parallel with the verum, except for the MT: If they have a different origin, the contamination profiles may well enable the claimant to group them into two groups, thus increasing the chance of winning to 50/50 .

Hans

 

[petre]

Not to worry, I've written a protocol for the challenge that I think JREF would be likely to accept. Let's see if we can't merge these conversations into one and all head over to:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50916

 

[blutoski]

I don't think analyzing for a few molecules is a viable approach at all.

In any lab, here will be a "noise floor", dependent on the quality of the lab procedures, and below that, you are likely to find loose molecules of any substance that was ever present in the lab, in any sample.

I agree. The more sensitive the test, the more likely you're going to get a false positive, just from ordinary contamination or cross-contamination, or test oversensitivity. I work with DNA and the biggest problem is that the lab air is filled with DNA from people and animals, and the sample has been in the air, which contaminates all the blanks immediately.

The second you crack the seal on the mother tincture, particles are floating around the lab, and no matter how many times you dilute, there's a good chance that particles will settle into the final dilution.

This will also be true of the blank controls, of course, so the key again is to be able to distinguish between diluted tincture versus controls, since both will have equal contamination.



Here's another thing: realistically, 'analyzing for molecules' is just the same as 'distinguishing between diluted tincture and control' anyway. Consider:

If we give the challenger a diluted tincture, it's in their best interest to just simply declare, even without actual testing, that they have found traces of mother tincture. We will spend further time haggling over whether the test was done, whether it was done properly, &c. We will need to open the lid and understand the test.

In order to protect against this, we can also give them blinded controls. Which is to say, we need them to distinguish between samples and controls, and we're back where we started with JREF's official homeopathy test policy anyway. At this point, what's the point of this thread?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Not to worry, I've written a protocol for the challenge that I think JREF would be likely to accept. Let's see if we can't merge these conversations into one and all head over to:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50916

Finalize it and send to me directly. You could be a winner.

 

[Dan Beaird]

Finalize it and send to me directly. You could be a winner.

Wow. Ed McMahon keeps telling me the same thing. You'd be interested to know that Publisher's Clearing House has a better record of diagnosing, treating and curing diseases than all the homeopaths in the world combined.

If you think otherwise you could always send along proof. You could be a winner!*

* by definition, all homeopaths are winners; because we all know that winners don't use drugs.

 

[petre]

Finalize it and send to me directly. You could be a winner.

I would, but I'm lacking a bit of input, not the least of which is the full name of whoever it is that wants to apply. I don't remember if I've been to that topic yet today or not. I'll look to see if any of the requested information has been provided so that I can finalize it.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Thanks

 

[dogbite666]

Dr MAS' CV

Hi there Dr MAS,

I was just looking at your CV, online at http://www.drmas.tk/, and was wondering what a Blind Device is? It says on your resume';

"Shield of Excellence for inventing Blind Devices."

Also, what is electro homeopathy and Magneto therapy?

D.E.H.M.S (Electro Homeopathy), D.M.T (Magneto Therapy)

And finally, what are you a gold 'medallist' in?

 

[petre]

Thanks

Sorry to report no more of the required information has been provided, so no progress can be made on a final protocol proposal yet.

 

[Dr. MAS]

hello dogbite6

for CV discussion a seperate thread is already running. post your Q there.