What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Dr Adequate]

Hey, Dr. MAS.

Can you show that homeopathic medicine has any greater curative effect than the water it's made of?

If so, you can win a million dollars.

 

[AOK Tiger]

Please guys stop feeding this babbling troll…

It is starting to make you all look stupid. His rambling inanities are an embarrassment to this board.

He will NEVER answer anything.

He will NEVER respond to a direct simple question.

He will NEVER make any sense whatsoever.

Surely it doesn’t take you 5 pages of drivel to realise this ?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Yes, I want to comment on vikram post. wait

 

[Dr. MAS]

Please guys stop feeding this babbling troll…

It is starting to make you all look stupid. His rambling inanities are an embarrassment to this board.

He will NEVER answer anything.

Hi Aussie, Thank you very much. Don't be annoyed. Tell me your question, I will try to satisfy you... specially.

 

[patchbunny]

In this college, I am student and Professor. I am head of the faculty of research and methodology department.

http://www.homeo.top.ms

I hope you will verify from the addresses. Now its your turn to come forward with your claim?

We don't have a claim. You do, remember? You are asserting the homeopathy works. Heck, you're asserting that you can cure uncurable diseases.

You began this thread with the question:

“What exactly is the paranormal in homeopathy and why homeopathy is not acceptable as pure scientific medical healing system?”

This question was answered, repeatedly. The answer, once again, is that the dilution of a homeopathic remedy is so great that nothing of the supposed remedy remains.

We can't be any more direct than that.

We've explained why nothing remains. You profess to not understand.

We've explained that homeopathy fails double-blind experiments. You profess to not understand.

You dodge issues, ignore questions, demand credentials, and continually evade the issues that are brought before you. You're either willfully ignorant or a troll. You'd be a colossal waste of time if it weren't for the fact that though the informative posts by others in this thread I've learned a thing or two.

--Patch

 

[patchbunny]

Please guys stop feeding this babbling troll…

It is starting to make you all look stupid. His rambling inanities are an embarrassment to this board.

He will NEVER answer anything.

He will NEVER respond to a direct simple question.

He will NEVER make any sense whatsoever.

Surely it doesn’t take you 5 pages of drivel to realise this ?

But if I get my post count above 50 I can have an avatar, too!

--Patch

 

[AOK Tiger]

DR MAS

Ok.. (Why am I doing this?)

Explain just 1 Homeopathic medicine.

What it contains
What it cures



(Geez I bet I am just making myself look stupid now too…)

 

[Dr. MAS]

Hey, Dr. MAS.

Can you show that homeopathic medicine has any greater curative effect than the water it's made of?

If so, you can win a million dollars.

Yes, I can.

Are you ready to be witnessed?

Winning prize does not matter. Allah has blessed me with things which are above million dollar.

 

[Patricio Elicer]

Winning prize does not matter. Allah has blessed me with things which are above million dollar.

Ah, I see

 

[Donks]

Yes, I can.

Are you ready to be witnessed?

Winning prize does not matter. Allah has blessed me with things which are above million dollar.

May I suggest you win anyways and then use the money to do Allah's work?

 

[ReFLeX]

Hear that, guys? Yes, he CAN prove it! So shame on you doubters. For shame...

 

[Dr Adequate]

Yes, I can.

Splendid, please do so.

Are you ready to be witnessed?

Yes, please go ahead

Winning prize does not matter.

It would matter to all the sick people in the world --- it would show that homeopathy works.

Allah has blessed me with things which are above million dollar.

Well, me too, apart from the bit about Allah. I could still use $1,000,000 on top of that, though.

Go ahead. Make good your boast. Prove that homeopathy works.

 

[SezMe]

Just for giggles, I thought I would post some of the comments that Dr. MAS has made in this thread:

I am coming here to share thoughts with you and not to check anyone qualification or credibility or status. Sir, that's true I am a poor homeopath who uses TANGA (Horse Carriage) for traveling from village to City but God (Allah) blessed me the most higher qualification one can dream about. I have four bachelors and three master degrees with one Ph. D and still student.

Later, he has two fuds:

This is already in your mind that a real scientist knows better how it could be tested and when a real scientist (Dr. MAS double Ph.D)

In light of his yammering about his qualifications, this quote is quite interesting:

I am not coming here to disgrace anyone or impress you

Note in first quote about not checking qualifications? Later he wrote:

Before I would like to start, I would like to know who are you? Where are you located? What is your qualification? What is your professional field? How much experience do you have? What is phone number? So that I could guess that whether you can understand what I am going to write? Or it will be wasted of time.

Finally, regards his quote above about not impressing anyone, he writes (in response to nothing, BTW):

In this college, I am student and Professor. I am head of the faculty of research and methodology department

So, Dr. MAS, would you care to comment on these inconsistencies, troll?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

When this frame was designed it was a not a mystry to few but it was mystry to many. In other words, we can say, those who knew, what is the scientific method involve in setting up the SO CALLED mystry frame, they were not calling it "paranormal" and those who did know, for them it was a "paranormal" structure. Few were laughing at me.

Homeopathy is "Paranormal" to many who never used it, or either they know nothing about scientific nature due to of having very low knowledge and comprehension of understanding

Dr MAS

Is that a statement that it was a mere party trick? Did you expect people to believe it really was a miracle, or just to accept it was a party trick and that it had a perfectly simple mechanism?

Isn't amazing how the Homs always like to quibble the terms of any debate instead of just answering the damn questions? You'd almost think they had nothing substantive to back up their extraordinary claims so are engaged in a grand scheme to buy time and hope the questioners get bored and go away.

Sorry to disappoint you Dr MAS, we know you have nothing useful to say but we enjoy the process of getting you to circle the drain.

 

[steenkh]

Ok, I am ready to tell you... Do you ready to understand? Read my post criteria in pmckeen reply.

This is going to be a loong thread!

You do not seem to be ready to tell anything. In fact (and this is not to goad you), I do not think you have anything to tell at all!

 

[geni]

GENI said: Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy. Is there any part of this sentance you do not understand?

Dr. MAS: Yes, I as a pure scientific research officer and real homeopath (qualified in all respect and in all categories, 11 years of continuous and regular study and having all homeopathic certifications) wants to tell you that your information is absolutely WRONG.

Prove it.

Please tell me, why do you believe so “Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy”, who told you that there is no molecule in above 24X potency? Any strong reason to believe?

I didn't say that did I? I said

Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy.

The mathematical proof goes as follows

1 mole of substance= 6.02214*10²³ particles (figure correct to 6sf). This is basic is you dissagree please take it up with Professor Peter Atkins of the University of Oxford

Now 24X is a dilution factor of 10²⁴

If we start with a 1M solution and dilute it that many times we end up with a concentration of 0.602214 particles per dm³ ( (6.02214*10²³)/10²⁴)which means that an avrage sample contains less than 1 particle. Since we can't split the particles this means that if the particles of disttubted uniformly (and since they wont be the true situation is even worse) 40% of any 1L samples will contain no particles.

If we go to 25X then 94% of 1L samples will contain no particles from the orginal mixture.

See basic maths and basic thoery. Feel free to find a flaw with it.

Which electron microscope you used and found nothing?

Electron microscope? Why would I want to use one of those?. They are not a good tool for dectecting ultra low concentrations. If you know anything about this area that is pretty obvious.

which confirmative method you used and got no result of molecules? Did you see yourself? I am waiting.

I've proved my statement at the top of the page. If you have some published evidence that proves otherwise please produce it (or heck even some unpublished evidence).

 

[steenkh]

If the idea is that there should be any molecules left, why dilute it in the first place?

Or is it magic thinking again: We dilute it so that there is abig chance that there will be no molecules left of the remedy, and then magic ensures that our sample will after all contain at least one molecule, and the patient will be healed from that molecule alone!

 

[H'ethetheth]

at that much water would fill a cube aprox 10¹¹¹ light years cube. That is rather larger than the generaly accepted size of the universe.

I think you've made a mistake here geni. 10⁵⁴ litres is volume of 10⁵¹ m³, which is much less than 10¹¹¹ ly³.
It's still a cube with sides of about 10 lightyears.

Carry on.

Edited to clarify and correct by antother factor of 10...
and again for a factor 1000, Dammit!

 

[Dr. MAS]

The mathematical proof goes as follows

1 mole of substance= 6.02214*1023 particles (figure correct to 6sf). This is basic is you dissagree please take it up with Professor Peter Atkins of the University of Oxford
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This mathematical proof does not apply over homeopathy. So all you explained is wrong. Ok.

I respect professor's remarks but do tell him about my post and asked him, "why probability or any other law of chemistry does not apply over homeo dilution? What is the special reason to consider Avog law? Why the other laws of chemistry were over sighted?.

Please do ask him, When molecules of starting material (homeo medicines) were broken down in dilution number two during succession process then why you did not pick the molecules of dilution number two again as one (SINGLE) mole?" This question is very difficult to understand by you, so please forward my question to him.

I have in-depth study of homeopathy for this purpose, I visited many lab in Pakistan. I am waiting for the response.

Frankly speaking, is this paranormal to you?

 

[Dr. MAS]

You do not seem to be ready to tell anything. In fact (and this is not to goad you), I do not think you have anything to tell at all!

Dr. MAS: I am ready to tell you everything but I am much worried about you,whether you can understand what I will tell you or not?

Ok, I posted a question above tell me, what does this mean? Why the molecules in second dilution were not taken as single mole again?

Any strong reason? I believe that unless you will not tell me which part of homeopathy is paranormal to you I am unable to tell you anything?

Ask your professor to provide justification? I am waiting for the reply.