What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Rolfe]

What if we used Penta water? Isn't that stuff supposed to be magically delici... er, pure?

You mean for the mother tincture, or the solvent?

By the way, under normal circumstances homoeopathic remedies can't even quench a thirst. Most remedies are presented as dry sugar pills, and even where the preparation is liquid there isn't enough there to make any difference to body fluid levels.

The only exception I ever came across to this was a homoeopath who told a story of feeling unwell and headachy while out cycling on a hot day. She reported that she selected a remedy, "plussed" it in 500ml of water, and sipped all of that over the next half hour. Not so surprisingly, she felt better. The woo bit was claiming that had something to do with the remedy, when obviously it had everything to do with a dehydrated person taking in 500ml of water.

Rolfe.

 

[Mojo]

Rolfe said: Dr. Mas, please clarify why you are so concerned about this word "paranormal".

Dr. MAS: I had no concerned but when your people created a special separate forum on that “word” then it became part of study. You people created the forum and started discussing on that "word", so i thought I should learn the meaning from paranormal intellectuals. Still I have not followed what exactly the paranormal in homeopathy is.

Well, if you're so hung-up on the word "paranormal," why not start a thread in the Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology forum instead. Then perhaps you could post the wonderful proof you have without any further evasion.

If you have proof that it works, the word "paranormal" really becomes irrelevant.

 

[Kumar]

Dr.Mas,

Pls look at these:-

"The physician's highest and only mission is to make sick people healthy, to cure. The highest ideal of cure is the rapid, gentle, and permanent restoration of health in the shortest, most reliable, least harmful way, according to easily comprehensible principles."

Sweat sugar/lactose pills are also offered in homeopathy. Many People esp. new ones do/may like this system due to this consideration.

To effect permanent cure, persistance & survival of patients & healer is must.

Current age entitlements & modern imbalance may prefer, modern systems too, to balance the nature.

Pls take care.

Regards.

 

[P.S.A.]

Hello everybody, I'm Dr. P.S.A.

I hold a doctorate and 30 year experience in Holeopothae, a wonderful new method curing disease. I live and teach in Pakistan, which I challenge mods to reveal IP information to prove. You will see I posting Pakistanii then. Seriously.

Ok, I'm actually still in the UK right now. But my IP address will resolve to Pakistan for this post; a whois search of the IP will indicate I'm posting on the "Asia Pacific Network Information Centre". But the machines there are merely recieving information from my UK IP address, and then bouncing it anonymously onto the JREF servers.

Which is why claims of IP address proving anything should never be believed. The long term, pyscopathically imbalanced internet trolls discovered proxy posting years ago. Dr MAS should only be believed on the internal consistency of his claims, and as most of you have noticed by now, he's not doing real well with regards to that, is he?

 

[geni]

Ok, I'm actually still in the UK right now. But my IP address will resolve to Pakistan for this post; a whois search of the IP will indicate I'm posting on the "Asia Pacific Network Information Centre".

I hate that.

 

[Thomas]

Warning: This thread has bio-electromagnetic potential.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Nevertheless, nothing has been thrown away. Therefore, the original 0.01ml of the mother tincture is still there. Of course. The dilution is so astronomical that there is no possible way that you could physically detect these molecules, but it's undeniable they're floating around in there somewhere. In theory of course, because it's impossible to do this experiment for real due to the enormous quantities involved....I think Dr. Mas knows all this. I also wonder if he's trying to play silly probability claims. OK, me first. Theoretically, I can show that there are molecules of the mother tincture still present in a 30C preparation, so long as you allow me to assume that I have 10⁵⁴ litres of the stuff. And you don't expect me to be able to demonstrate this in any way other than theoretically.

Another of the Pakistani cohort went through this same silly argument at Hpathy some time ago so I suspect MAS may share that misconception with his friend.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Badly Shaved Monkey said, Dr. MAS, were you serious in claiming this;


http://www.pbase.com/8w/8thwonder



Dr. MAS : Dr. Shakeel Sarwar is my closed friend. He mostly writes for me. His contribution can be seen here

www.communitypk.com/cpk

MAS, is the frame in the bottle trick meant to be taken seriously as a genuine mystery?


What a troll does is to evade any direct question. What will you do when given a second chance?

 

[supercorgi]

Dr. MAS:
You were interested so you have to pass through the exam which is very very simple and to the point. I assure you, I will not deceive you? Because this simple understanding is necessary for future difficult explanations. [/B]

This reminds me of something... Oh yeah.

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.
Bridgekeeper: Stop. What... is your name?
Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
Galahad: I seek the Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?
Galahad: Blue. No, yel... Auuuuuuuugh

Bridgekeeper: Hee hee heh. Stop. What... is your name?
King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.
Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?
King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that.
[he is thrown over]
Bridgekeeper: Auuuuuuuugh.
Sir Bedevere: How do know so much about swallows?
King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

 

[Zep]

What makes me think that all Dr MAS ever wanted to do was try and sell us something in a bottle - either a framed picture, or some magic water...

 

[Dr. MAS]

MAS, is the frame in the bottle trick meant to be taken seriously as a genuine mystery?

Dr. MAS: When this frame was designed it was a not a mystry to few but it was mystry to many. In other words, we can say, those who knew, what is the scientific method involve in setting up the SO CALLED mystry frame, they were not calling it "paranormal" and those who did know, for them it was a "paranormal" structure. Few were laughing at me.

Homeopathy is "Paranormal" to many who never used it, or either they know nothing about scientific nature due to of having very low knowledge and comprehension of understanding.


Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey : What a troll does is to evade any direct question. What will you do when given a second chance?

Dr. MAS: Wait for the third.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Steenkh said "This is not how it works. You have come up with an extraordinary claim, and you must also provide a protocol for discussion. You, not we, know how this healing method works, so it is more natural that you tell us how to test it."

Ok, I am ready to tell you... Do you ready to understand? Read my post criteria in pmckeen reply.

 

[Zep]

Dr MAS, is this the reply you are referring to just now?

Dr. MAS: But those are not interested in understanding in the scientific nature of explanation. And to them “paranormal” is something else. As you can see, they all give different definitions of paranoramlity.

It was you who confirmed that scientific explanation of homeopathic dilution is the paranormal part of homeopathy and now you have to come forward.

You were interested so you have to pass through the exam which is very very simple and to the point. I assure you, I will not deceive you? Because this simple understanding is necessary for future difficult explanations.

 

[Dr. MAS]

GENI said: Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy. Is there any part of this sentance you do not understand?

Dr. MAS: Yes, I as a pure scientific research officer and real homeopath (qualified in all respect and in all categories, 11 years of continuous and regular study and having all homeopathic certifications) wants to tell you that your information is absolutely WRONG.

Please tell me, why do you believe so “Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy”, who told you that there is no molecule in above 24X potency? Any strong reason to believe?

Which electron microscope you used and found nothing? which confirmative method you used and got no result of molecules? Did you see yourself? I am waiting.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Zep, I havn't followed? Please elaborate?

 

[Ossai]

Dr. MAS

Homeopathy is "Paranormal" to many who never used it, or either they know nothing about scientific nature due to of having very low knowledge and comprehension of understanding.

If homeopathy is so easily understood, why don’t you explain it?

Five pages and still nothing of note.

Ossai

 

[Patricio Elicer]

Originally posted by Dr. MAS Dr. MAS: Dear Moderator, who told you about this “finale”. Why are you applying Avogadro's law here? And what is the hitch in not applying “probability law”? Somebody told you about Avogadro's law and you blindly started writing comments that the dilution does not contain any molecule in above 18c potency and never thought that there are so many chemistry rules which can be applied other than Avogadro's law[/B]

The Avogadro's number is a scientific fact, solidly established and founded. I said that according to that law there's always a threshold dilution beyond which not a single molecule of the substance will remain.

But let's go on with your "probability law" thing. You seem to imply that homeopathy's curative effects are due to the fact that there is a certain amount of the "active substance" in the dilution. In other words, if we had the certainty that no molecule of the active substance is left, then the dituted solution would have no curative effect?. Is that your contention?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Zep said: What makes me think that all Dr MAS ever wanted to do was try and sell us something in a bottle - either a framed picture, or some magic water...

Dr. MAS: This is another blame on me and over homeopaths.







I never took any consultation charges for the last 18 years.

I also provide free homeopathic medicines.

I am teaching in three homeopathic medical colleges free.

I work as free scientific research officer.

I arrange free international homeopathic seminar, in which I invite homeopaths and general public. This is also free. Even I do not charge for luch and tea break.

I arrange free homeopathic medical camp. I provide health care facilities free. The test, we conduct also free like LFT, blood tests, Ultra sound and x-rays etc.

I programmed different homeopathic software and deliver to homeopaths free of cost even postal charges were not taken.

I am not a businessman who came here to sell his product. I am not a beggar of your coins.

The whole Pakistan is viewing and reading this post. Everybody is witness of this post. My phone number and address and location are written. One cannot claim so openly.

 

[patchbunny]

GENI said: Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy. Is there any part of this sentance you do not understand?

Dr. MAS: Yes, I as a pure scientific research officer and real homeopath (qualified in all respect and in all categories, 11 years of continuous and regular study and having all homeopathic certifications) wants to tell you that your information is absolutely WRONG.

Please tell me, why do you believe so “Any remedy of higher potency than 12C or 24X will have a mean concentration of less than one molecule per remedy”, who told you that there is no molecule in above 24X potency? Any strong reason to believe?

Math? Math is good.

As has been explained to you previously, the dilution is so great at 12C or 24X that nothing of the original substance remains.

Do you not understand the math involved? Rolfe gave a rather nice example. Are you planning on responding to his questions, or are you goint to continue to evade them?

Are you going to answer the technicolor question posed by Vikram? He's only asked it three times.

--Patch

 

[Dr. MAS]

In this college, I am student and Professor. I am head of the faculty of research and methodology department.

http://www.homeo.top.ms


I hope you will verify from the addresses. Now its your turn to come forward with your claim?