What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Kumar]

Why should anyone bother? As long as you don't bother providing evidence that homeopathy works, I don't see why anyone should bother checking theories as to how it would theoretically work in Planet X if administrered by naked nurses and purple bunnies.

Dr.Mas may be happy to invite you & show the practical experiances, practically. Just request.

Inspite of my best efforts, nothing conclusive can be found/thought, here. It may be due to any reason of whatsoever nature. Homeopaths are happy in their experiance & dreams & others may be unhappy with their experiance & dreams. Both are firm/persistant on their stands & may not be interested to be deviated. So nothing more than this, atleast by me, can be possible. I have been already exhausted much by more of TTTT, so let Dr.Mas or other try. Just enjoy & support them. Thanks.

 

[Psiload]

You can test in a way, they indicated. Any problem?

Yes... big problem. I don't have a license to chase wild geese.

Besides... I'm just too busy in my garage buliding a space telescope to investigate the rings around Planet X.

 

[Garrette]

I, for one, am quite ready to believe in homeopathy when administered by (good-looking female) naked nurses with or without purple bunnies.

 

[Deetee]

Me, for two......

 

[Donks]

Dr.Mas may be happy to invite you & show the practical experiances, practically. Just request.

Inspite of my best efforts, nothing conclusive can be found/thought, here. It may be due to any reason of whatsoever nature. Homeopaths are happy in their experiance & dreams & others may be unhappy with their experiance & dreams. Both are firm/persistant on their stands & may not be interested to be deviated. So nothing more than this, atleast by me, can be possible. I have been already exhausted much by more of TTTT, so let Dr.Mas or other try. Just enjoy & support them. Thanks.

Dr. Mas has so far been a complete bust. He hasn't even offered lame theories. And him showing me practical experience? Like his amazing christmas lights in a bottle? No thanks.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

They have run away, haven't they.

 

[Rolfe]

I think so....

Rolfe.

 

[Metullus]

Today is Friday, the day of rest in Islam. They are taking the day off.

 

[Donks]

They have run away, haven't they.

Yeah, this last batch of homeopaths was of a very high potency. Not a single interesting post among them.

 

[Metullus]

Yeah, this last batch of homeopaths was of a very high potency. Not a single interesting post among them.

D'ya suppose they drink a lot of water?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Dear Administrator: Dr. MAS is on one week leave. I am his BHMS (Graded Course) student. He asked me to follow the thread in his abscence and inform him about the out come. When I informed him that randi posters are blaming that YOU (dr. mas) have left the forum then he allowed me on mobile to enter and inform the posters that "I am on one week educational tour. I will reply when I will return back."



Hans said "Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

NOTHING is paranormal in homeopathy. It just does not work. That is as un-paranormal as the fact that a car without an engine won't run."

Dear Sir,

You first claim that homeopathy is paranormal and it does not work. Dr. MAS offered you to prove this statement and win one million rupees. He is on educational tour. Wait for him.

Sheikh
for Dr. MAS

 

[Ceinwyn]

Dear Administrator: Dr. MAS is on one week leave. I am his BHMS (Graded Course) student. He asked me to follow the thread in his abscence and inform him about the out come. When I informed him that randi posters are blaming that YOU (dr. mas) have left the forum then he allowed me on mobile to enter and inform the posters that "I am on one week educational tour. I will reply when I will return back."



Hans said "Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

NOTHING is paranormal in homeopathy. It just does not work. That is as un-paranormal as the fact that a car without an engine won't run."

Dear Sir,

You first claim that homeopathy is paranormal and it does not work. Dr. MAS offered you to prove this statement and win one million rupees. He is on educational tour. Wait for him.

Sheikh
for Dr. MAS

You are full of crap. Also, you are a spammer. Goodbye.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Just for fun, let's teach Mr MAS some simple physical chemistry.

Syed, you might want to read this, it will help you do your homework. I'm still waiting for you to hand it in.

Right. Here we go.

MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na₂SO₄ solution. In 1 litre you would have 6.022 x 10²³ of each of the component moieties of Na₂SO₄. In 100ml you will have 6.022 x 10²².

If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 10²⁰ of each of the components of Na₂SO₄.

You are suggesting that there may be some other number drawn up.


Edited to add this quote so as to stuff his own words back down his throat and remove his scope for claiming I have misunderstood him

How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will conatin a number substantially different from 6.022 x 10²⁰?

Now here is the bit to help Mr Syed. Let me remind you that 6.022 x 10²⁰ can be written fully as 602,200,000,000,000,000,000.

Syed, you need to do a simple piece of arithmetic.

Divide 602,200,000,000,000,000,000 by 800,352,112.676.
What is the answer? How many atoms or molecules are there in the epinephrine solution you mentioned?

I would expect a bright 10 year old to do these sums accurately and have a feel for the size of the numbers. You seem to be struggling badly.

OK then, "Sheikh", alleged student of Dr MAS, perhaps you can do the piece of homework that your esteemed teacher has so miserably failed to complete. You could do Syed's arithmetic for him as well.

As I have already said, I'd expect a bright 10 year old to answer these questions, so you, a BHMS college student, should have no trouble whatsoever.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Syed has most definitely run away.

He is prattling away at Hpathy;

http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathy/forum_posts.asp?TID=2911&PN=1&TPN=3

so is certainly available for comment.

I see "Sheikh" is there as well using the Dr MAS account.

 

[Ceinwyn]

OK then, "Sheikh", alleged student of Dr MAS, perhaps you can do the piece of homework that your esteemed teacher has so miserably failed to complete. You could do Syed's arithmetic for him as well.

As I have already said, I'd expect a bright 10 year old to answer these questions, so you, a BHMS college student, should have no trouble whatsoever.

Blah blah blah. You're missing the point.

WATER HAS MEMORY.

Yes, water remembers everything that's put into it, no matter how small.

Why water can't remember that I like my shampoo thorough and my conditioner light, I don't know. I'm going to have to re-educate my showerhead.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Oh, yes. Wim the Woo has rematerialised. Good news for all of his fans.

And while we're revsiting old favourites, Rolfe will like this exercise in "creative writing" from Sigi;

"Dear Dr. Syed,
if You want to come closer to my way of understanding, then I recommend to get Prof. Vithoulka's 'The Science of Homeoathy'.
As we all know, physics is not yet able to explain the mechanisms involved in the action of remedies prepared and used acc. to homeopathic laws. This is why we have to work with explanatory models, drawing pictures that can make us perceive what might be going on. Such kind of models hardly will withstand the conventional scientific approach nowadays (I see the sceptics laughing, I join them in so far, that I can understand them from their point of view), but they will make us aware how we can use what is so difficult to be measured and to be explained.
Similarly, just as an example, in Chinese Medicine, the Five Elements Theory as an explanatory model, has successfully created a base on which diagnosis and therapy can be developed and be practiced.
We don't have reproduced the whole model by Vithoulkas here, but maybe I can give a hint on how aggravation could be explained.

What I want to emphazise here is, when I try to limit a theory to a few sentences, then the true teaching will become distorted. So I really have to make a plea to read the original writings by Mr. Vithoulkas.


A living system is a self-regualtory system. The vitality of an individual system of a person - let us try to see it as a (sinus-)wave. The system (wave) gets disturbed by outer stimuli (environment, food, stress, microbes...). The system seeks to hold a 'set-point value'. But itÂ_ bounces around it. So the (Sinus-)wave gets distorted, the vital force seeks toÂ_ reinstall the equilibrium. What happens if it fails? The wave gets and remains distorted.
Imagining that each person has its individual wavelength/frequency (the sum of its being, together with his symptoms): what will happen if a remedy with a very different 'frequency' is applied? Depending on the amplitude and frequency of the individual's wave, there will be almost no change or a further distortion of it.
Now there is a patient: amplitude is lowered, but a fixed individual frequency. A remedy is applied "very similar" to the patient (very similar frequency). The more identical the remedy is to the patient (same frequency) and the stronger the remedy (potency, repetition) will be, what happens if two waves add to each other in this case?
Add two overlapping sinus-waves with identical fequency: the amplitude of the second wave adds to the amplitude of the first. The more similar the wavelength of the second wave is to the first, the higher the amplitudes/peaks over all will be.
Have a patient with his individual frequency and a lowered amplitude. Add a remedy with a very similar frequency, what happens: the original wave (of the patient) rises higher. A small wave of the remedy (minimum dose) of similar frequency will lift the amplitude slightly. If this lift results in reaching the set-point value, there is cure. If the lift mounts up over the top of the set-point value, there will be aggravation (the amplitude is too high). This happens easiest when remedy and person are in resonance.
This is very hypothetical but it helps explaining how the difference of action will be in case of the application of a wrong remedy, similar remedy, minimum dose, too strong a dose. This is nothing more. For me, just the view on the interaction of waves helped me to visualize the probable mechanisms a bit.

For everybody reading this - don't take this post as homeopathic philosophy. This is nothing else than a picture of a single person who tries to visualize privately the mechanisms involved.
sigi "

I love it when they talk scientific.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Blah blah blah. You're missing the point.

WATER HAS MEMORY.

Yes, water remembers everything that's put into it, no matter how small.

Yeah, good point. And that is why lager so often tastes of gnat's pee. They should have better insect screens on the brewery windows.

 

[wahrheit]

Yeah, good point. And that is why lager so often tastes of gnat's pee. They should have better insect screens on the brewery windows.

Ts, ts, ts. There are NO side effects, remember? Only the GOOD stuff get's boosted. You still don't get it *sigh*. Water not only has memory, it is also damn smart!

It's also psychic, since it seems to know as what remedy or beverage it will be used in the future, thus doing it's cool tricks only to those ingredients which will later be used as a fancy Latin (=scientific, the stuff only doctor's understand!) labeling.

 

[Kumar]

Paranormal & Supernatural in homeopthy & other such;

These looks "reasonably clear" to one mass existing & well distributed part of modern society AND not "even dim" to other mass existing & well distributed part, since long inspite both parts are well educated, modernly influenced, equally firm of their stands, not inocent/illitrate, not kids, mostly not dishonest/manipulative.

Then how?? Some system/game of "GOD"/NATURE???

 

[Donks]

Paranormal & Supernatural in homeopthy & other such;

These looks "reasonably clear" to one mass existing & well distributed part of modern society AND not "even dim" to other mass existing & well distributed part, since long inspite both parts are well educated, modernly influenced, equally firm of their stands, not inocent/illitrate, not kids, mostly not dishonest/manipulative.

Then how?? Some system/game of "GOD"/NATURE???

Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you saying that homeopathy is paranormal/supernatural, or not?