What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[AOK Tiger]

DR MAS

Dear Administrator

Whenever I got connected with this forum. An automatic installation of the program was begin. This is not with other forums.

That is the anti idiot program. It self installs when it detects an IQ under 80 or the level of ********e reaches over 100.

Second observation is, If I am not browsing any page, even then my net connections shows that too many packets are moving around this forum. What is this?

This is this forum desperately trying to cope with the high level of inanity in your posts

Another problem is, when I send edited post, it displays the same previous post without edition.

The forum automatically detects wether your edit is even more stupid than your original post and removes it.

The last problem is, my posts display on the next day in main forum. Why it is so?

This forum contains special intelligent software that rates posts and post them in order of the sense they make :

Intelligent : 1 Sec
Reasonably Intelligent : 5 Sec
Normal : 10 Sec
Other : 15 sec
Pretty Dumb : 20 sec
Very dumb : 30 Sec
Completely inane, moronic and overly ridiculous : NEXT DAY !

 

[Zep]

OK, I'll bite...

Dear Administrator

Whenever I got connected with this forum. An automatic installation of the program was begin. This is not with other forums.

I'm going to allow that you know how the Internet works, and have basic networking skills (your CV says you do). So how do you know this rogue program came from this site exactly?

Second observation is, If I am not browsing any page, even then my net connections shows that too many packets are moving around this forum. What is this?

How do you know these excess packets are from/to THIS forum?

Another problem is, when I send edited post, it displays the same previous post without edition.

There's an edit timeout in force - you cannot edit posts after they have been posted for more than a set period. All in the FAQ if you look. I think the timeout is currently set at 60 minutes - admins?

The last problem is, my posts display on the next day in main forum. Why it is so?

Where do you EXPECT them to display?

 

[Jocce]

Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

And while we're at it:

What's paranormal with a ball dropping to the floor
What's paranormal with the sun comming up each day
What's paranormal with letters showing up on my screen when I press keys on the keyboard.

Nothing at all. They all behave as predicted by science.

As everyone has repeatedely told you from the first page of this thread MAS - Homeopathic remedies cure nothing and that is what sience predicts so there is NOTHING PARANORMAL with homeopathy.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You are using “Stupid, idiot and non-sense etc.” for me. Thanks

Well, yes. I agree that this is not very polite. However, you are also insulting us, albeit in a more subtle way.

I will never use the same for you because I believe that you are not.

I'm afraid this is not true. You must assume us idiots, considering the form of arguments you use.

But this confirms randi forum member’s frustration stage. When they unable to prove the Para normality behavior of the homeopathic science. They become personal and started shouting on me. Chooooo chooooo

This is what I mean. Your demands that we prove that homeopathis is paranormal is a diversion, and you know this.

I think, we should not waste time on personal level loathe and to promote healthy discussion “what is paranormal in homeopathy”.

Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

NOTHING is paranormal in homeopathy. It just does not work. That is as un-paranormal as the fact that a car without an engine won't run.

(Please I am serious) We have gone off line. Please come to the track.

I quite agree! Let's come to the track: You were saying you can explain how homeopathy works. When do you start??

The Ball is in your court, Dr. MAS.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Oh, and I see Dr. MAS is now about to pull ye olde, "there is a virus on the board, so I can't post here anymore" diversion. Been there, done that, MAS; you are not the first to try that one. It doesn't work. You see, the rest of us are observing the forum working ... well as nicely as a busy forum will work, anywhere.

Hans

 

[Dr. MAS]

Mas, do you have a problem with reading?My claim is that if homoeopathic remedies have an effect, this is not explicable by scientific means, and may therefore be classed as paranormal. The important word is "if".


Please read my post, Dr. Mas. If there is anything in it you do not understand, I will be happy to explain it to you further.

Rolfe.

PS. If you want to address an administrator regarding forum working and housekeeping matters, you would be well advised to start a new thread in the "forum management" section. The chances of any admin happening upon that post are not high.

Yes, I admit, my vision is weak.

Thank you, I will ask for clarification when I will finish up my reply. Still, I am writing. I am impressed with your approach and typing speed. I need time. Thanks

PS: OK.

 

[wahrheit]

Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

Dear Dr. MAS,

Please explain two things to me:

1. How come that I, a person with no formal education in chemistry or medicine, am bored to death by your posts? *hint: it is not the complexity of your posts*
2. Don't you agree that asking the same question "What is paranormal in homeopathy?" again after 17 pages of replies is a slap in the face of those who took you serious and contributed to this thread? People with a lot of knowledge in the field?
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[Dr. MAS]

Oh, and I see Dr. MAS is now about to pull ye olde, "there is a virus on the board, so I can't post here anymore" diversion. Been there, done that, MAS; you are not the first to try that one. It doesn't work. You see, the rest of us are observing the forum working ... well as nicely as a busy forum will work, anywhere.

Hans

As I already requested, please do not waste time in irrelevent discussion. When you send posts like that, then I have to give response. Please please direct your attention on the topic. I have no plan of leaving this board till you people are surving here. Only one member is permitted on this board and many are in Q. Allow them.

 

[Dr. MAS]

[*]How come that I, a person with no formal education in chemistry or medicine, am bored to death by your posts? *hint: it is not the complexity of your posts*
[*]Don't you agree that asking the same question "What is paranormal in homeopathy?" again after 17 pages of replies is a slap in the face of those who took you serious and contributed to this thread? People with a lot of knowledge in the field?
[/list=1]

Hans "Skeptics do not claim that homeopathy is paranormal" (notified to me by Dr. Ikram)

According to Hans, skeptics never said, homeopathy is paranormal. And you know, the discussion was started on "ONE POINT AGENDA" that according to skeptics homeopathy is paranormal.

I floated this question again and requested my friends to tell me whether homeopathy is paranormal or not?

 

[Jocce]

According to Hans, skeptics never said, homeopathy is paranormal. And you know, the discussion was started on "ONE POINT AGENDA" that according to skeptics homeopathy is paranormal.

NO! Since you are asking that question, homeopathy is paranormal in your own eyes. It is your ONE POINT AGENDA.

I don't know what your friends answered MAS but members of this board has repeatedly told you that there is NOTHING paranormal with homeopathy. Homeopathic remedies behave exacly as predicted by science.

 

[steenkh]

Please please direct your attention on the topic. I have no plan of leaving this board till you people are surving here. Only one member is permitted on this board and many are in Q. Allow them.

What nonsense is this? All the homoeopaths who want to can register at this board and participate in the discussions.

Hans "Skeptics do not claim that homeopathy is paranormal" (notified to me by Dr. Ikram)

According to Hans, skeptics never said, homeopathy is paranormal. And you know, the discussion was started on "ONE POINT AGENDA" that according to skeptics homeopathy is paranormal.

I floated this question again and requested my friends to tell me whether homeopathy is paranormal or not?

In the beginning of the thread I compiled a list to you of the claims of homoeopathy that can be considerede paranormal. The point is, the practice of homoeopathy is not paranormal because it behaves exactly as predicted by science: it does nothing! But the theory of homoeopathy is full of paranormal claims that could net you the JREF million if any of them could be proven true.

 

[Rolfe]

Exactly.

The thing which is paranormal is the claim that homoeopathy works.

All our observations support the hypothesis that homoeopathy does not work, therefore there is nothing paranormal happening, everything occurs as predicted by science. However, anyone who claims that homoeopathy works, is making a paranormal claim, because IF homoeopathy actually did work, then this would go against anything that is understood to be scientifically possible.

And yes, the main reason for that conclusion is that there is no material presence of the original mother tincture in the high-potency preparations such as 30C.

So, Mas. As I said in the other thread, which you seem to have abandoned, you have three choices.

1. You agree with us that homoeopathic remedies have no effect on the body, and we agree with you that there is nothing paranormal going on.
2. You confirm that the reason you believe homoeopathic remedies have an effect that is explicable by science is that all the people preparing the remedy are dishonest, and are deliberately sabotaging the process to ensure that some of the mother tincture actually does appear in the final potency.
3. You accept our explanations which prove that when homoeopathic remedies are prepared according to the published protocol there is no material substance of the remedy in the 30C potency, and agree that the effect you claim is paranormal.[/list=1]Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

Dr. Mas seems to have taken offence at the way he is being treated on this board.

You are using “Stupid, idiot and non-sense etc.” for me. Thanks

I will never use the same for you because I believe that you are not.

This last statement however is simply not true. Note this post from earlier in the thread.

I am feeling, I am standing among nursery class students who have denied that homeopathy can’t be explained thought scientific principles but these students are unable to understand basic science facts.

This is just as insulting, especially as the post came after the one in which I explained my scientific qualifications. Mas, you came on this forum with an attitude of total superiority, insulting our intelligence and qualifications, and claiming to have superior intelligence and qualifications. If you then post arguments which can be clearly seen to be spurious, then I'm afraid you have only yourself to blame if you find that people are insulting you in turn.

Your habit of repeating questions which have already been replied to sixteen times is also extremely annoying. I asked you if you had read a post of mine in which I had taken great care to address your arguments in detail. You replied

Thank you, I will ask for clarification when I will finish up my reply. Still, I am writing. I am impressed with your approach....

However, you in fact simply re-posted the very same questions which I had addressed in my post (and other posters had also addressed).

You say you are writing a 100-page article for us to read. Now, suppose you post this (or link to it, which would be better), and we simply ignore every word of it and continue to ask you questions you believe you have adequately answered, how would you feel?

I still think it should be possible for you to answer the two questions I've repeatedly asked you, and which you have repeatedly ignored, even without benefit of 100-page treatise. So I'll try again.

1. Do you maintain that every bottle of every potency has some remedy substance in it? If not, are the ones without any molecules inactive, and what are my chances of buying an "active" bottle in my local shop?
2. if your remedy contains an atom of sulphur, and there is no sulphur in the solvent you are using to make the dilutions (and we recall how insistent several homoeopaths have been about the purity of the materials used), how can you obtain any more of the remedy substance as you make further dilutions?[/list=1]Just answers to these two points, and the discussion would be so much clearer. They are very simple questions. How about it?
   
   Rolfe.

 

[MRC_Hans]

As I already requested, please do not waste time in irrelevent discussion. When you send posts like that, then I have to give response. Please please direct your attention on the topic.

Oh? You are the only one who can make diversions?

I have no plan of leaving this board till you people are surving here.

"surving" ?

Only one member is permitted on this board and many are in Q. Allow them.

Meaning what? There is no limit of members.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hans "Skeptics do not claim that homeopathy is paranormal" (notified to me by Dr. Ikram)

According to Hans, skeptics never said, homeopathy is paranormal. And you know, the discussion was started on "ONE POINT AGENDA" that according to skeptics homeopathy is paranormal.

I floated this question again and requested my friends to tell me whether homeopathy is paranormal or not?

*sigh* OK, read very carefully, because this is the last time I will explain it:

Skeptics think that homeopathy does not work. We think so because it is not supported in any way by anything we know in science. It is like a car without an engine; nobody who knows a bit about cars will think it can run.

Homeopaths say that homeopathy works. So, skeptics say that if it works it must be paranormal. Like if you drive away in a car without an engine, it must be magic.

Obviously, we cannot show it is paranormal, because that would require us to show that it works, and we cannot do that. Nobody has yet been able to do that. I don't expect you can do it either.

Hans

 

[steenkh]

Meaning what? There is no limit of members.

Maybe there are a large number of Dr. MAS's, and they can only use this user one at a time?

 

[Mojo]

You are using “Stupid, idiot and non-sense etc.” for me. Thanks.

If people are treating you as if you're stupid, you you have only yourself to blame. You have persistently ignored perfectly good and coherent answers that have been given to questions you have asked. There are only two explanations for this sort of behavour:

a) You genuinely can't understand the perfectly simple answers you have been given; or

b) You do understand the replies to your questions, but are pretending not to.

Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

You see what I mean? This question has been repeatedly answered by many posters. Why can't you acknowlege that fact? Are you stupid or dishonest?

Your use of English in your posts suggests that language is not the problem here. By treating you as an idiot, at least people are being charitable.

 

[AOK Tiger]

PLEASE start treating this loon with the contempt he so richly deserves.

Where have 17 pages of polite discussion got you.

He is either mentally disturbed or is laughing at you !

 

[patchbunny]

Dear Administrator

Whenever I got connected with this forum. An automatic installation of the program was begin. This is not with other forums. Second observation is, If I am not browsing any page, even then my net connections shows that too many packets are moving around this forum. What is this?

It's homeopathy! Don't you recognize it?

Since your posts are content-free (diluted down to the 200C level, at least), your computer and the net respond by sending out vast amounts of actual information. It's that whole "law of infitesimals" things. Ask Kumar, he can explain it.

--Patch

 

[delphi_ote]

So I thought I'd try to address them again, in the (pretty vain) hope that he'll pick up on them if he comes back... *snip*

Excellent post, Rolfe. That's as air tight as they come. Even if our lazy "Dr." can't be bothered to read it all and reply, I read it and was entertained and impressed.

Way to stick it to this homeopathy hogwash!