What is paranormal in Homeopathy
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Kumar said:
See...this is where your assumptions lead you down the wrong path. The homeopaths I've had the "pleasure" of debating this with so far has clearly showed that they are not well educated. They are also influenced by a 200 year old theory that long ago was debunked by modern science.
I agree that you're extremely firm on your stand but you really show an above average tendency to not understand what you read. And innocence...must be a bliss under those circumstances.
Donks said:
This the current position not final/absolute. You left some chance of porosities/adhesions.
Btw, pls tell;
Do you still dispute on possibilities of molecular presence in triturated higher than 24X preparations, where same equipments are used during potentising process?
Are you absolute on your stand that molecular adhesion & release with glass of bottles during/by potentisation process of homeopathic remedies can't be possible inspite solution gets bit heated/vibrated & cooled(by expansion due to heat)?
I wasn't addressing porosities or adhesions. I was addressing whether homeopathy is paranormal or not.Kumar said:
Kumar. It does not matter if you reuse the same equipment or not. There is always a possibility that there are molecules in the final remedy, regardless of which potency it is. Yes, there is a chance that a 15000C has some molecules of the mother tincture in it. The problem for you is that when the potency represents a larger number of preparations than Avogadro's number, the chances start getting real slim. Some bottles will definatelly not have any. One dilution beyond Avogadro, and 9 in 10 are guaranteed to have nothing. Two, and it is 99 in 100, and so on.
So you see, I don't dispure the possibility of molecular presence. It's just that it is real remote for higher potencies. Particularly since in practical terms, you have to throw out most of the preparations, there is a real good chance that all your final remedies have nothing but solvent in them.
DrDave told you under which conditions he got chemicals to adhere to glass. He mentioned temperatures of 373K and 500K. How much heat do you think is produced by a little shaking?
In general, no. I'm not absolute. That's because that's not the skeptical stance. That's the woo stance. There are no absolutes in science. Might some molecules of the mother tincture stick to the glass? Perhaps. Will they last past a few dilutions and shakings? Probably not. Would it matter if they did? Probably not.
And, since there is no evidence that homeopathy works, it seems to not make a difference whether they stick or not.
Kumar, as you must know by now you should prove that homeopathy is working before starting to research explanations. And, I think that we all agree that so far, no undisputable evidence has been found in the studies that has been performed. Keyword there is undisputable, just so you know. So all you really have is lots of people witnessing about their personal experience of homeopathy.
To be consistent in your thinking you must use those same criteria when you accept or discard other things. So according to that you should accept:
1. God, allah, budda, shiva, vishnu, thor, toth and a few hundred more gods exist. Because many people say so.
2. Hermetics, qabalah, thelema, rune and chaos together with a few hundred other magical systems can be used to change reality, summon demons, spirits and make you filthy rich if you might choose so. Because many people say so.
3. There's an abundance of visiting aliens that abduct, examine and visit people here on earth. Because many people say so.
Now tell me, do you believe in all this? You should according to the criteria you evaluate stuff you hear about.
And yes, I still dispute all that stuff you mentioned.
To be consistent in your thinking you must use those same criteria when you accept or discard other things. So according to that you should accept:
1. God, allah, budda, shiva, vishnu, thor, toth and a few hundred more gods exist. Because many people say so.
2. Hermetics, qabalah, thelema, rune and chaos together with a few hundred other magical systems can be used to change reality, summon demons, spirits and make you filthy rich if you might choose so. Because many people say so.
3. There's an abundance of visiting aliens that abduct, examine and visit people here on earth. Because many people say so.
Now tell me, do you believe in all this? You should according to the criteria you evaluate stuff you hear about.
And yes, I still dispute all that stuff you mentioned.
Jocce said:
I believe in everything which is still existing in mass.. people alike homeopathy's existance. Such things should exist as a concept or as a different form or in a different language. I tried to clear many things. You may not be able to understand real meaning as today's language has become english from latin or otherwise. It may be easier but may not be technical or real--by which each word was having some specific effect on us--as in holy mantras/God names etc. Most ancient languages may not be just a source of communication but can also effect as I told because we may be evolutionary adapted to these. These are alike holy mantras not just words. I do not dispute any mass...system, may be of any harsh type, when we can endorss killing of animal, birds, plants or destroying nature etc. on 'health/need of the time's ground.
Don't be absolute about any aspect, till it is surviving in mass..with least adversities. Either do something for it, if you can or wait till its science is known by others trying so hard or it is mostly dead. Another option to run away can be just remove it from your mind & surroundings. But just don't remain doubtful/double minded as it may make you confused. Are you absolute in homeopathy? If yes, how can you guarantee it ,that its science/working can never be proved in science in any circumstances? I mean "absolute" conclusion with guarantee. I say it can be possible or it may not & it is pending for me to know it which, I will wait till I could know it or till it dies in itself if absolutely blank.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
The fluorine in tap water is, as you managed to correctly indicate in another thread, in fluoride form.Kumar said:
Why did you introduce this error into your post in this thread when you apparently knew perfectly well what form the fluorine is in?
Anyway, fluoride is not nearly as reactive as elemental fluorine, and will not react with your glassware. OK?
Mojo
Mostly harmless
Why not base it on whether you can actually detect molecules from the mother tincture in the final remedy? Perhaps you could suggest a test that would do this?Kumar said: