What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Ashles]

Re: Beware

All of you have started to amuse me now....! You have hijacked Hans too...! Some of you are willing to TRY anything to disapprove of Homeopathy...! Here is the test dose for those who are ill and want to know what homeoapthy can do.

If any of the debaters develop sneezing spells or rhinitis...and wants to prove that homeopthy does not work. Forget about all the laws and take Cina-30 1 drop in a tablespoon of water. Not for childern under 5 years of age like BSM and Rolfe. But flume, majo, Ashles and Steenkh may take it. One such dose would stop the sneezings and watering eyes of our poolry seeing posters here.

Do not repeat it ....! without my consultation!

PS. I have started to love you guys....***

Ah you have already entered the desperate homeopath fall-back position.
"Okay I can't argue this sensibly. You guys clearly all know more science and homeopathy than me. What can I do now? I know. Just take some homeopathic medicine and see if your cold goes away. I know it will go away by itself, but hopefully you will be as gullible as all the other people who believe in homeopathy and mistakenly think it was something to do with the potion. When all else fails try to generate some anecdotal evidence. Shame we can't generate any real evidence."

And why should we pay any attention to someone who for some reason thinks the world was considered flat 100 years ago?

 

[Jocce]

Re: Beware

If any of the debaters develop sneezing spells or rhinitis...and wants to prove that homeopthy does not work. Forget about all the laws and take Cina-30 1 drop in a tablespoon of water. Not for childern under 5 years of age like BSM and Rolfe. But flume, majo, Ashles and Steenkh may take it. One such dose would stop the sneezings and watering eyes of our poolry seeing posters here.

Syed, are all you homeopaths equally stupid? Do all of you have reading difficulties?

As has been repeated over and over again:

One person taking the remedy would not prove that homeopathy works!
One person taking the remedy would not prove that homeopathy is NOT working!

It is anectotal evidence with a testgroup of 1 single person. You need controlled conditions where other causes such as placebo and "it cured itself" can be ruled out. Also, you need more people in this controlled group. You even need two groups, one that gets the remedy and one that gets just plain old water or sugar pills.

How hard can this be to understand?

 

[Zep]

Re: Re: Beware

How hard can this be to understand?

Oh the ones with more than reptillian cortex in operation get this immediately, but then they all go out of their way to "rationalise" it away.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na2SO4 solution....If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 1020 of each of the components of Na2SO4.

You are suggesting that there may be some other number drawn up.

How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will conatin a number substantially different from 6.022 x 1020?

Syed, you need to do a simple piece of arithmetic.

Divide 602,200,000,000,000,000,000 by 800,352,112.676.
What is the answer? How many atoms or molecules are there in the epinephrine solution you mentioned

You still have not handed your homework in. You are showing the typical slippery intellect of all the woos we debate. You can't answer a question that kills your argument so you pretend you were not asked.

Well you have been asked again, so answer please.

 

[Kumar]

"Divide 602,200,000,000,000,000,000 by 800,352,112.676.
What is the answer? How many atoms or molecules are there in the epinephrine solution you mentioned"

With this much, I got a dynamic/different thought & for which I have to restrt the computer.


When this/that much molecules are there, Can't they fly & mix in all potencies? Remedies are prepared in close room/lab alike a BAR. Don't you smell some molecules of alcohol etc. in whole of BAR--means molecules present everywhere? The difference can be, our sense don't recognize/process smell of all raw remedies molecules? THIS CAN MAKE A DYNAMIC SENSE FOR MOLECULAR PRESENCE.

I have/cn make so many....... . Let me see how much you can deny.

 

[Mojo]

When this/that much molecules are there, Can't they fly & mix in all potencies?

No.

 

[Rolfe]

Note to self. Remember, Kumar is a TROLL. No one who breathes, including a poorly educated asian labourer with access to a computer, could possibly have such a closed mind and such a fertile imagination for anything that might at the wildest chance support his preconceived beliefs.

Now, you'll believe a molecule can fly.

Stop feeding the troll.

Rolfe.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Does no one want to comment on this?

Are you saying that you are NOT Dr. MAS, even though you have claimed to be up until now?

I said, the picture in the avatar is of Dr. MAS but I "Dr. MAS 100 posts" is not that Dr. MAS, but my name is Dr. MAS. I think, it is much clear now.

This is me.

You can't put restriction on the use of avatar. Avatar which I selected is of my own choice.

 

[Donks]

I said, the picture in the avatar is of Dr. MAS but I "Dr. MAS 100 posts" is not that Dr. MAS, but my name is Dr. MAS. I think, it is much clear now.

Oh yes, much clearer now. About as clear as Kumar's theories.

 

[patchbunny]

I said, the picture in the avatar is of Dr. MAS but I "Dr. MAS 100 posts" is not that Dr. MAS, but my name is Dr. MAS. I think, it is much clear now.

Cripes. Pakistan has perfected cloning and they're churning out forum trolls.

--Patch

 

[Dr. MAS]

Mojo,

Is this your real picture? or an avatar?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Cripes. Pakistan has perfected cloning and they're churning out forum trolls.

--Patch

Dear Patch,

Sir, I am not troll. I am real Dr. MAS. But the picture in the avatar should be treated as avatar only. This has no link with Dr. MAS (randi forum poster) but that picture is of also Dr. MAS. How can I explain it further. It is much much clear. It is further clarified that this account is not in use by other members unless I will permit. So for no.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Beware

quote:
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Originally posted by Homeopath Syed
Did someone say he is going to take Anacardium-200 TDS for 10 days here ?

Oh my...

Please do not do it.. It may cause harm...! and its not easily anti-doted either.

We can discuss it out here....than puting anybody on trial...

I propose another better way...
Lets have a case that needs treatment...Lets have case on Rhinitis or Coryza or Allergy and I take a case here in front of all of you guys...!

So ... who is Sick ???
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Spondylitis do you? Happy to take whatever you recommend.

What happened to this?

Any relation of iron imbalances, relexed coditions to this?

 

[Dr. MAS]

I do not speak lie. Yes, you can blame on me that if the picture uploaded in avatar is not mine Dr. MAS (randi forum member) then I will remove it.

 

[flume]

Originally posted by Dr. MAS: Remember, according to probality law, it is quite possible that the 2nd starting material "drop" may not contain any molecule of 1st starting material (because that drop was picked up blindly from the 1st bottle) and it may or may not contain 50% of the 1st starting material or may contain 99% of the starting material.

Dr. MAS, I hope you are going to explain your posts about the probability and mathematics of dilutions, and answer some of the specific questions that have been brought up by several people, Badly Shaved Monkey being one.

 

[Patricio Elicer]

I said, the picture in the avatar is of Dr. MAS but I "Dr. MAS 100 posts" is not that Dr. MAS, but my name is Dr. MAS. I think, it is much clear now.

Sir, I am not troll. I am real Dr. MAS. But the picture in the avatar should be treated as avatar only. This has no link with Dr. MAS (randi forum poster) but that picture is of also Dr. MAS. How can I explain it further. It is much much clear. It is further clarified that this account is not in use by other members unless I will permit.

Crystal clear!. I see you master in the art of communication. What can we expect then of you communicating your ideas and knowledge on homeopathy?!?!

 

[Kumar]

Sorry

I am also bit frustrated & irritated by so much This & that types of talks (TTTT) here.

Even though others do TTTT, but homeopaths etc. can should atleast avoid TTTT.

Let me try, if you hesitate to mention everything openly or everything with scepticism.

Under dictonary definitions of "paranormal", claimed/observed & experianced effects of higher potencies of homeopathic remedies are "paranormal" to the extent of quantative molecular presence of raw remedy substances. It is paranormal in science, because its scientific working modalities do not match with any theory of science, as yet. If anyone claim & can match, he/she is welcomed here to present his/her views unabling science people to check/understand it.

But, some misses & waeknesses can be there & yet pending to understand as nothing is absolute is considered in science--which we should try to know & discuss, not just TTTT or 'you & me' both consider right just in themselves. Can't bonding be possible--Crudes+Potencies?

 

[Donks]

Re: Sorry

I am also bit frustrated & irritated by so much This & that types of talks (TTTT) here.

Even though others do TTTT, but homeopaths etc. can should atleast avoid TTTT.

Well, if homeopaths would use intelligible language and logic, we wouldn't have to resort to "TTTT" to amuse ourselves.

Let me try, if you hesitate to mention everything openly or everything with scepticism.

Under dictonary definitions of "paranormal", claimed/observed & experianced effects of higher potencies of homeopathic remedies are "paranormal" to the extent of quantative molecular presence of raw remedy substances. It is paranormal in science, because its scientific working modalities do not match with any theory of science, as yet. If anyone claim & can match, he/she is welcomed here to present his/her views unabling science people to check/understand it.

Homeopathy is not paranormal. Why? Homeopathy does not work. Homeopathy is predicted not to work under current theories, so its lack of effectiveness is not surprising or paranormal. If you want to show that homeopathy is paranormal, show that it works.

But, some misses & waeknesses can be there & yet pending to understand as nothing is absolute is considered in science--which we should try to know & discuss, not just TTTT or 'you & me' both consider right just in themselves. Can't bonding be possible--Crudes+Potencies?

You keep your head in that little hole in the sand, keep avoiding reality. Being asked for evidence of homeopathy actually working, instead of wasting time coming up for explanations of how it could possibly work is not "TTTT". It's the reasonable thing to do.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

MAS

You say you are not a troll, but when pressed for an answer to a specific question that will advance the debate a step you post multiple replies twittering incoherently about your calimed forum identity.

I said, the picture in the avatar is of Dr. MAS but I "Dr. MAS 100 posts" is not that Dr. MAS, but my name is Dr. MAS. I think, it is much clear now.

This is me.

You can't put restriction on the use of avatar. Avatar which I selected is of my own choice.

What the heck does all of that mean? Are you saying that the picture is of a real person, a homeopath called Dr MAS, but that, while you can also be called Dr MAS, you are not the person in the picture?

Mojo,

Is this your real picture? or an avatar?

Dear Patch,

Sir, I am not troll. I am real Dr. MAS. But the picture in the avatar should be treated as avatar only. This has no link with Dr. MAS (randi forum poster) but that picture is of also Dr. MAS. How can I explain it further. It is much much clear. It is further clarified that this account is not in use by other members unless I will permit. So for no.

I do not speak lie. Yes, you can blame on me that if the picture uploaded in avatar is not mine Dr. MAS (randi forum member) then I will remove it.

You claim you are not a troll, but yours are the actions of a troll. Evade and ignore.

If you are not a troll reply to my oft-repeated questions:

MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na2SO4 solution....If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 1020 of each of the components of Na2SO4.

You are suggesting that there may be some other number drawn up.

How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will conatin a number substantially different from 6.022 x 1020?

Syed, you need to do a simple piece of arithmetic.

Divide 602,200,000,000,000,000,000 by 800,352,112.676.
What is the answer? How many atoms or molecules are there in the epinephrine solution you mentioned

For what it's worth, I think the coterie of posters that surrounds MAS and Syed at the hom boards are completely untrustworthy as participants in discussion, as demonstrated by that nonsense with the ship in a bottle trick, I don't think it is beyond the bounds of possibility that they are a group of merry japesters engaged in a prolonged practical joke. Their posting record, of which their recent activity here is typical, is so bizarrely illogical and disconnected from reality that I do hope that they are the output of invented characters not real people.

As has been said, what matters is the validity of arguments not the identities of the arguers, but MAS fails on all criteria. He is not an honest debater. Whether is a real person or a fictional performance, his evasions show him to be intellectually dishonest.

 

[Donks]

as demonstrated by that nonsense with the ship in a bottle trick

?
Got a link to that? Sounds like an amusing read