What is paranormal in Homeopathy

[Dr. MAS]

Originally posted by geni

I quoted the figures from Atkins textbook that is all. All I got from Atkins textbook was that 1 mole contians 6.02214*1023 items. Nothing more nothing less. I can find the same figure in any one of a dozen places It jsut so happens that "The Elements of physical chemistry" is the first sutible text book I had to hand.

So far you are commiting the argument by assertion logical fallacy since you have failed to show where either AtkinI or I are wrong.

Yar, (yar means friend) You have a strong believe on Atkins and you are no willing to understand what I am saying. Yar this is wrong. Was he your MAMMA (uncle).

I posted a question and the answer of your above question is residing in that reply. Read my question again and again and try to understand, why I rejected his theory. Atkin is wrong because atkin failed to notice the breaking down of molecular structure in dilution number two. This shows that he was not homeopath or he neither studied the complete process of succession process. Or process of succession or potentizing was not clear to him.

For God sake, when I have replied your question many times and you are unable to understand it then I am not responsible for that. You are asking the same question again and again without understanding what I have replied to you.

For God sake, try to study basic chemistry first.

If you will post my question to your professor, I am sure he will follow my question.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Originally posted by steenkh

If the idea is that there should be any molecules left, why dilute it in the first place?

Yar, the reason is, we do not dilute the medicine rather we do potentize the medicine. Please try to understand this term “potentization” from your so-called scientific world.

Also study Dynamization. This is also available in your scientific system. We know, because we have studied and have certification also.

 

[Kumar]

Please try to understand homeopathy. It is not paranormal. I assure you, you will change your mind, when you will start reading it or trying to understand it. And for understanding homeopathy you need to be studied all subjects related to medical science plus few subjects like physics and bio-chemistry.

Sorry, something is missing here;

"you will change your mind, when you will start reading it or trying to understand it" [AND start experiancing OR observing the experiances of its treatments.]

I don't think, any aspect can be cleared without practical observations & experiances inspite of fact that it may have been tested & read--otherwise in any magnitude.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Kumar, Allah (God) given us senses to understand. Understanding starts from viewing / seeing something. When they will read it, they will also experience it. When they will start experiencing it then they might reach at a point.

 

[DangerousBeliefs]

I thought this thread would go interesting places... now I see the original poster is using larger fonts apparently to make what he posts seem "more true".

How about some evidence Doc? That always works to turn skeptics into true believers... oh, and one unreplicated study is not evidence that magic water and sugar pills work miracles.

But seriously, why am I talking to myself?

 

[Dr. MAS]

I am leaving the institution now and going to home. Bye.

Take care and good luck.

 

[DangerousBeliefs]

Great.... so, basically you wasted your time and ours....

 

[geni]

Yar, (yar means friend) You have a strong believe on Atkins and you are no willing to understand what I am saying. Yar this is wrong. Was he your MAMMA (uncle).

When it comes to phys chem it is my experence that Atkins has a pretty good record.

I posted a question and the answer of your above question is residing in that reply. Read my question again and again and try to understand, why I rejected his theory.

And remeber I showed that you were wrong because it failed to deal with gold (and any other remedy prepared from elements)?

Atkin is wrong because atkin failed to notice the breaking down of molecular structure in dilution number two.

Atkins made no stament about this. I did however. I basic understanding of entropy, enthalpy and activation energies shows that the above is irrelivant in almost all cases

This shows that he was not homeopath or he neither studied the complete process of succession process. Or process of succession or potentizing was not clear to him.

I have studdied. The amount of energy put in is insignificant. Lets use an example. A simple molicule lets chose acetone (aka propanone). Now acetone is C₃H₆O and I suspect you would say that it therefor can be divided into 10 pices and indeed it can but you would need to heat it to hundreads of degrees (thousands in the case of the carbon). Neither succession or potentizing involves that level of energy

For God sake, when I have replied your question many times and you are unable to understand it then I am not responsible for that. You are asking the same question again and again without understanding what I have replied to you.

For God sake, try to study basic chemistry first.

I have spent 7 years studying chemisty including 3 years at one of the UKs top chemistry departments. I understand both basic and advanced chemisty. So far you haven't got beyond the level of very basic.

If you will post my question to your professor, I am sure he will follow my question.

Why should they waste their time with you? Franky on the evidence of this thread my knowlage of chemisty is far greater than yours.

 

[geni]

Yar, the reason is, we do not dilute the medicine rather we do potentize the medicine. Please try to understand this term “potentization” from your so-called scientific world.

I know what it means. the energy levels are insignificant. At best it speeds up any diffussion a bit

Also study Dynamization. This is also available in your scientific system. We know, because we have studied and have certification also.

Please provide a journal refernce to support this claim.

 

[Thomas]

I simply can't express what I think about this thread with polite words, so..



Hmm.. Maybe.. MAS, Kumar and Allah dancing on the sunny fields of complete and utter nonsense? Come on!

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Dr. MAS: I am in my late 50s. I am a teacher

Look at the avatar, people. Perhaps it is not a recent likeness!

First he had one PhD then two. Now, I know we don't care much about qualifications, but he claims to.

Give me a T, give me an R...

I've never met any one with so little to say and taking so much time saying it.

 

[andycal]

Well, I don't like to say "I told you so"...well, actually I do.

It seems that in order to understand this guy we need to throw all scientific reasoning out of the window. Or get a lobotomy.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Atkin is wrong because atkin failed to notice the breaking down of molecular structure in dilution number two.

Don't ask Dr MAS for a gin and tonic, untold mysteries will occur when he does the dilution and swirls his twizzle stick.

"breaking down of molecular structure"!!

 

[Thomas]

Give me a T, give me an R...

There's a very thin, and almost invisible, line between troll and complete idiot. Enough said.

 

[Rolfe]

But if I get my post count above 50 I can have an avatar, too!

--Patch

Shameless post-count boosting may be done in TRSOTTTWND.

You're welcome!

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

For God sake, try to study basic chemistry first.

This, to Geni!!!! That's simply priceless!!!!!

Rolfe.

 

[steenkh]

Your opinion only reflects your “DISLIKENESS” with a profession and nothing else. Otherwise you have no prove.

Yar, it is not true. And I find it somewhat offensive that you believe so. There are many paranormal things that I would dearly want to be true, but they do not get true because I want it. Why should I not want everybody to become healthy by means of magic water, which must surely be the cheapest and gentlest remedy possible?

But we live in the real world, and homoeopathy has not been able produce any documentation that it works, and until you came along, nobody has produced a shred of evidence for any of the paranormal effects that I have listed before, and that you have completely ignored. And now you come and claim you have this scientific proof, but so far you have only presented stuff that even I can see is worthless: that succussion and potentization can break up molecules. Others have already told you why (the energy levels are too small, and some remedies are already as small as possible), but you can document this effect, hmm?

I hope you notice that in my original list of paranormality in homoeopathy, I had included succussion and trituration, which are simply magic rituals that do nothing at all.

 

[Kumar]

Kumar, Allah (God) given us senses to understand. Understanding starts from viewing / seeing something. When they will read it, they will also experience it. When they will start experiencing it then they might reach at a point.

Yes, " Ise pav pakad ke pahucha pakdna kahte hai" "Btw, kiya tusi in-ho-noo sab raaja di bate bata rahe ho ki 'devaro me khass cheeje bas jandi hai, phir wo holy holy jandi/bahaar andi hai' , 'hina ka rang holy holy janda hai'.

I can assess, you are heading towords telling the 'secret of homeopathy'-- which might have kept as secret or otherwise in fear of too simplicity & hijecking.

Hello,

I got some intitutions/indications, probably Benveniste's may come in my dream & tell me ,Benveniste's memory of water thought was not wrong, but might have been tested wrongly. How? He may tell me in dream.

Till then, can you tell, how he experimented & how it was tested?

 

[Ipecac]

Oy vey, what a mess. I have been following this thread from the beginining, hoping Dr. Mas would have something intelligent to say and that he would be able to debate on a level playing field with the folk here. That is obviously not happening.

Dr. Mas, as someone not involved in this debate who was interested in what you had to say, I must say that you have failed miserably. You have been torn to shreds and have not made any sense whatsoever. After seven pages, I don't think you've made a single valid point in this discussion. If your reasoning skills are the result of 11 years of studying homeopathy, then perhaps the teaching of homeopathy should be banned as it seems to have left you drowning in a sea of badly reasoned nonsense.

Sheesh, what a waste. The guy is seriously missing a few pips on his dice.

 

[Ashles]

What Ipecac said.