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Trump 2.0 would be a catastrophe for the world...

Ziggurat said:
And yet, no wars were started under Trump.

Huh. Was he just doing it wrong, or is he not actually the next Hitler?
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You can tell yourself this when he starts rounding up millions of people to be deported. Some of them folks who have lived here for decades.

I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump starts to persecute and prosecute his political enemies. I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump continues his crackdown on womens' rights. I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump abandons our allies and international organizations. I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump literally lets our enemies attack our allies and friends. I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump starts enacting Project 2025, with all its Fascism. I'm sure it will make you feel like Trump isn't Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Issues_of_identity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Reproductive_issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Immigration_reforms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Personnel_change

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Expansion_of_presidential_powers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Christian_nationalism
 
a_unique_person said:
It's a stupid claim to make. Be didn't get out of Afghanistan either.
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Trump technically did not start any new military conflicts, but he sure as hell continued the ones he inherited.

And Trump 2.0 will definitely attack Iran and allow Putin to attack Europe.
 
Hercules56 said:
You can tell yourself this when he starts rounding up millions of people to be deported.
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Uh... Hitler wasn't known for deporting people. In fact, I can't think of any dictators who are known for that. Quite the reverse, dictators tend to make it hard for people to leave. So yeah, if Trump deports millions of illegal immigrants, I will very much think, yeah, that's not very Hitlery. Because I'm not a god damn idiot who thinks everything I don't like is Hitler.

You can tell yourself this when Trump starts to persecute and prosecute his political enemies.
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Democrats complaining about prosecuting political enemies. Chef's kiss irony.

You can tell yourself this when Trump continues his crackdown on womens' rights.
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You mean abortion rights. Except he's not going to continue to do that, because he's already come out against a federal ban. He got what he wanted, he's got no reason to go further.

You can tell yourself this when Trump abandons our allies and international organizations.
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Again, not the problem with dictatorships.

You can tell yourself this when Trump literally lets our enemies attack our allies and friends.
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I wonder what excuses you'll come up with if this doesn't happen.

You can tell yourself this when Trump starts enacting Project 2025, with all its Fascism.
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Talk about defining fascism down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#Christian_nationalism
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I didn't bother looking at every bit of the Wikipedia article, but this bit is interesting. Why? Because it's not actually about Project 2025 at all. It's about a contributor to Project 2025. Did you notice that nothing in that section refers to anything that's actually part of Project 2025 itself? Because I did.
 
Ziggurat said:
Uh... Hitler wasn't known for deporting people. In fact, I can't think of any dictators who are known for that. Quite the reverse, dictators tend to make it hard for people to leave. So yeah, if Trump deports millions of illegal immigrants, I will very much think, yeah, that's not very Hitlery. Because I'm not a god damn idiot who thinks everything I don't like is Hitler...
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Its adorable how little you know about the Holocaust and the deportation of millions of Jews to Auschwitz and other foreign death camps


...Democrats complaining about prosecuting political enemies. Chef's kiss irony....
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when did Democrats prosecute people SIMPLY cuz they are political enemies?



...You mean abortion rights. Except he's not going to continue to do that, because he's already come out against a federal ban. He got what he wanted, he's got no reason to go further....
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Control over their bodies, IS a women's rights issue. I thought you knew this.



...Again, not the problem with dictatorships....
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Japan and Germany and other Fascist stated didn't abandon the League of Nations????? Wow you really know zilch about WW2.


...I wonder what excuses you'll come up with if this doesn't happen....
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Its already happened. Trump said he would encourage our enemies to attack NATO allies who dont pay enough money.


Sounds like you've gone full-on MAGA and are just defending Trump now.

Sad.
 
Hercules56 said:
Its adorable how little you know about the Holocaust and the deportation of millions of Jews to Auschwitz
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You think Trump is going to deport illegal aliens to concentration camps?

Yeah, I don't think he will.

when did Democrats prosecute people SIMPLY cuz they are political enemies?
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And the excuses begin.

Japan and Germany and other Fascist stated didn't abandon the League of Nations?????
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The League of Nations weren't their allies.

Sounds like you've gone full-on MAGA and are just defending Trump now.

Sad.
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You've got full Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's comical.

Trump isn't Hitler. He will never be Hitler. He will just be a president you don't like. Get over yourself.
 
Ziggurat said:
You think Trump is going to deport illegal aliens to concentration camps?
Trump isn't Hitler. He will never be Hitler. He will just be a president you don't like. Get over yourself.
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Well there it is, the downplaying imminent danger of the year award.
Everything is gonna be just fine...
Never mind that Trump's strongest core supporters are vocal white supremacists whose character is below that of the average Nazi. And that they are the ones who he will surround himself with if returned to office. A couple are still in jail but they could be released...
Trump is *not* Hitler, that is most definitely true.
More than a handful of students of history, including myself, (BS, JD) believe he has at least the *potential* to be worse in terms of historic impact.
Hitler did not have the power to derail any chance of escaping catastrophic effects from climate change.
Hitler didn't have the means (social media) to summon and unite the sociopaths of the world.
Hitler didn't have his thumb on the nuclear codes.
 
Ziggurat said:
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What, did Biden appoint a pro-Trump justice?
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Huh? Did you notice the recent SC ruling, a 6-3 majority in favor of insanity?

You don't understand how government works, do you? Nor do you seem to understand that Trump doesn't have the best track record of picking who will and won't be loyal to him. Do you think he's gotten better at that?
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Fair point, I will grant you that! But out of fear of diving too much into US politics (so sorry...) you apparently haven't noticed that government isn't working at all right now. There's a cult blowing millions of dollars just to promote their insane cult philosophy of Trumpism, it is literally in charge of a large chunk of the government right now.


Thank god for that. Fauci was a disaster.
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another thread...but you're missing the point--he stood up to Trumps ignorance and stupidity. He was a darling of previous Republican administrations and only lost his rep because the cult did not like him. No way would anyone who does not vocally pledge his complete allegiance to the Supreme Leader will be allowed to speak on Fox News let alone MSN again. Just ask Liz CHeney or Mitt Romney among many others how disloyalty to the cult turns out.
 
Ziggurat said:
You think Trump is going to deport illegal aliens to concentration camps?

Yeah, I don't think he will.



And the excuses begin.



The League of Nations weren't their allies.



You've got full Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's comical.

Trump isn't Hitler. He will never be Hitler. He will just be a president you don't like. Get over yourself.
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So as long as Trump's fascism isn't as bad as Hitler's fascism, its ok?

Mussolini, Franco, Hirohito, Marshall Petain, you're ok with all of them cuz they weren't Hitler.
 
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Ziggurat said:
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The League of Nations weren't their allies.....
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Trump is threatening to leave NATO. He already left the WHO. Hitler left the League of Nations.

Trump is following the Fascist Playbook and you like other MAGArs is in denial.
 
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If Trump is reelected he will simply continue his fascist agenda but this time on overdrive because he is older angrier and more crazy.

He will pull out of international organizations like a good fascist does.

He will let Putin completely take over Ukraine and threaten other European countries.

he will let China invade Taiwan.

He will attack Iran and let Israel do whatever he wants to Arab civilians.

He will continue his war on women's rights and gay rights.

He will continue his war on science and facts.

He will continue his war to raise taxes on the middle class and lower taxes on the wealthy.

He will continue his war to pull back environmental and other regulations so that our country is less clean and less safe.

He will deport millions of illegal aliens regardless of how long they have lived here how much taxes they have paid how hard they have worked whether they went to college etc etc
 
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Hercules56 said:
So as long as Trump's fascism isn't as bad as Hitler's fascism, it’s ok?
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It’s not fascism, period. That’s just your paranoia and groupthink.

Mussolini, Franco, Hirohito, Marshall Petain, you're ok with all of them cuz they weren't Hitler.
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I didn’t say that either. But they are indeed not Hitler. Calling them Hitler isn’t the only way to criticize them.
 
Ziggurat said:
I think you are unfamiliar with US history.
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Nope.

For most of history, there wasn't this much bureaucracy to control, so this would be bigger than everything before.

I guess you forgot everything you said before Trump's term.
I guess Jan 6th was just tourists.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, but he will deport millions of people. He said he will. Its what Fascist states do.

You're in total MAGA denial, my friend.
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I'm not completely convinced of this. He has a lot of friends and supporters who amassed their fortune by taking advantage of illegal but very cheap labor. They don't want to lose that.
 
Ziggurat said:
I neither know nor care what Alex Jones thinks. I have no idea why you think it matters to this thread.
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Just pointing out that Right-Wingers loved Fauci until Covid, proving once again that it's never about expertise, only about confirmation bias.
 
Ziggurat said:
It’s not fascism, period. That’s just your paranoia and groupthink.



I didn’t say that either. But they are indeed not Hitler. Calling them Hitler isn’t the only way to criticize them.
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So as long as Fascists are not as bad as Hitler, they are ok??? Wow you MAGA-folk sure don't hide anything these days.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Just pointing out that Right-Wingers loved Fauci until Covid, proving once again that it's never about expertise, only about confirmation bias.
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That has **** all to do with either my argument or Fauci’s actual merits and faults.
 
Ziggurat said:
Dude. Stop with the straw already, and stop with the everything-is-Hitler routine. It’s pathetic.
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No, what's pathetic is you dishonestly and obsessively saying that I think everything is Hitler.

Its your new personal strawman to excuse and deny Trump's and MAGA fascism.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, what's pathetic is you dishonestly and obsessively saying that I think everything is Hitler.
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Yet you keep saying things that are obviously not like Hitler are Hitler.

It's some sort of obsessive tick.
 
Ziggurat said:
That has **** all to do with either my argument or Fauci’s actual merits and faults.
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I may have implied that your argument is politically motivated.
Compared to the rest of the Trump administration, Fauci did a decent job, and the Covid response would have been worse with a crony in his place - which is why Agenda 2025 exists to make sure that everyone in government fails in line with the Führer.
 
Ziggurat said:
In the membrane?







Nonsense! Of course it's debatable. They will be amplified by a factor of 863, not a factor of 1000.







What, did Biden appoint a pro-Trump justice?







You don't understand how government works, do you? Nor do you seem to understand that Trump doesn't have the best track record of picking who will and won't be loyal to him. Do you think he's gotten better at that?







Thank god for that. Fauci was a disaster.
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He's already said he won't be picking the best people for the job. He's only going for the ones who are totally loyal to him. There won't be any moderating influences in his next administration. In fact, they have already released the radical plan he is going to implement.

Fauci is a scientist. I would have expected you to respect that. The first major, global pandemic in a century was not going to be something we would be able to respond to with a well oiled machine. We dealt with it the best we could.
 
a_unique_person said:
Fauci is a scientist.
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No. He was an administrator.

I would have expected you to respect that.
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"One of the best things about going to Harvard is that, for the rest of your life, you are neither intimidated nor impressed by people who went to Harvard." - Thomas Sowell

What respect do you think being a "scientist" affords one, and why do you expect me in particular to proffer such respect? Particularly on matters where the science doesn't back Fauci up? Because there was no science behind the social distancing rules or the lockdown or the ever-changing mask advice. They were ass pulls. There was no science behind the denial of the lab leak hypothesis. That was a deliberate lie and a cover up.

The first major, global pandemic in a century was not going to be something we would be able to respond to with a well oiled machine. We dealt with it the best we could.
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He lied and made **** up and then lied about his lies, and lied about people who told the truth. Why are you satisfied with that?
 
Lol. Some people are going to embrace fascism in real life simply because they want to be contrarian to the people they bicker with on the internet.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yet you keep saying things that are obviously not like Hitler are Hitler.

It's some sort of obsessive tick.
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That's a lie. Seems to be an obsessive tick.

Hitler was not the only fascist in history and calling someone a fascist is not the same as saying they will be just like Hitler. Lay off the logical fallacies.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm just gonna leave this here.
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You are the one who first brought up the name Hitler, in response to people's legitimate concerns that Trump will follow autocratic and authoritarian tendencies. It's your straw man, my friend.
 
Hercules56 said:
You are the one who first brought up the name Hitler, in response to people's legitimate concerns that Trump will follow autocratic and authoritarian tendencies. It's your straw man, my friend.
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I didn't make you make the comparison. You chose to do that on your own.
 
Ziggurat said:
I didn't make you make the comparison. You chose to do that on your own.
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And then I again and again made analogy between Trump and other fascists, yet you were the one who kept on going back to Hitler.

Embrace what you did and stop lying about it.

There is nothing absurd or illogical or irrational about comparing Trump to other fascists.
 
a_unique_person said:
Fauci is a scientist.
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Ziggurat said:
No. He was an administrator.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Fauci#Medical_achievements

It's a pretty long list.

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In 2003, the Institute for Scientific Information stated that from 1983 to 2002, "Fauci was the 13th most-cited scientist among the 2.5 to 3.0 million authors in all disciplines throughout the world who published articles in scientific journals."

I confidently predict that Ziggurat will now point out that, at the time of Covid, Fauci was an administrator
 
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