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religion is an atrocity

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I realize that most if not everything in this post has probably been posted here before.


Some of the following post will contain excerpts from e-mails that were previously written by me and sent to other groups or websites. May be edited a little.
I will start this post with 3 definitions from The New Lexicon Webster’s Dictionary of the English Language.
#1 - Cult; A system of religious worship// admiration of or devotion to, a person or thing especially as a form of intellectual snobbery// A passing craze or fashion// a creed or sect.
Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you (general term meaning everyone) don’t happen to be a member of regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind control.
#2 – Terror; great fear.
#3 – Terrorism; The policy of using acts inspiring terror as a method of ruling or of conducting political opposition.
Comment: Which would include the use of things like eternal damnation and the like. This applies to all ends of the religious spectrum.
Having stated that, I would prefer not to have my name associated with any religion or political party for that matter.
Religion – Where to start? As already present creatures or organisms mutated and evolved into thee predecessors of modern humankind, since these early people’s brains were not as evolved, they were unable to explain why things occurred. Basic things like why the sun came up, why the wind blew, why rain or snow fell, etc. Which in turn led to fears of these things. During this time survival often depended on being the strongest, biggest or from being able to cause fear in your competitors. As time passed, some people started learning that the sun came up close to a certain time frame every day, snow came at a certain time of year, rain fell after certain clouds appeared, eating certain things could kill someone, etc. These people used the fears of such things to gain power. And to create more fear, they came up with beings known as gods. To these gods they attributed everything and they sometimes had a god for every different thing. After all the more gods, the more others had to fear. (As with modern religions, they would kill, imprison or discredit others in order to keep their power.) They manipulated people to get them to think that they were somehow close to whatever god. They created a place, as a reward, for people to go after death if they obeyed them and blindly followed what they said. They also created a place or a type of punishment for those that did not obey or follow them after death. They started the myth known as a soul so that they could use the fears that stemmed from an afterlife. The people doing this also learned that by keeping others ignorant it was much easier to control them through their own fears. ( an example from more modern religion; saying the earth was flat and if you strayed to far you would fall off. This is an attempt to get others to be afraid to go very far from the power structure of the cult to keep them from learning anything other than what they put forth to pass as knowledge.) Anyway, soon they learned that one person couldn’t watch everyone to stop the acquisition of knowledge, so they enlarged their cults and brought others in on their schemes. Often giving them the power that came with representing different gods/goddesses, if they agreed to keep what knowledge they had amongst themselves. (Which in later religions translates into different areas.) This often led to cults within cults and sometimes to disagreements resulting in offshoot cults arising, still using the same ways to gain power. They also came up with various rituals to be performed regularly. (Repetition for mind control.) They told people to bring their children to the rituals as soon as possible so as to receive their gods/goddesses blessings or so as not to anger them. They soon discovered that their brainwashing was much easier the earlier in someone’s development that they started. Or if you prefer, that it was much easier to control the mind of an adult if they got to them as a child. (Still very much in practice today by all religions and has spread to other areas of society as well.) They came up with the ideas for sacrifices or donations to gain favor with their gods or god. They started wars, more people to control and to make sacrifices and donations. As societies, cultures, empires and countries came and went, the names of the various gods/goddesses changed, the amount of gods/goddesses changed and the stories or myths were altered, or new ones created, to fit each new religion. For instance, several times in an ancient religion, a god named Zeus changed form and descended from the heavens to impregnate women. (A myth which in turn came from previous religious fables) The children of these women often were considered demi-gods or heroes and fables sprang up about them. They often would also become martyrs or pawns of their various cults. Some even started their own cults and they were also often worshipped. So the myth of Christ wasn’t exactly a new idea, nor would it be beyond religion to embellish on or cover up facts to keep or gain power. (The psychotronic weaponry may be somewhat new, but the idea of gaining power through mind control is very, very old.)
As for the satanic-military or the satanic-pedophilia ties that I have come across on numerous websites pertaining to mind control, yes it is possible that said people worship satan. Satanism is also a system of religious worship. History, even very modern history, also shows that the god-military and god-pedophilia ties have been around for a long, long time. And if it weren’t for the myth of god, then the myth of satan would not exist.
There is no doubt that religions vary somewhat from one to the next, however one theme remains the same: Here is the religious doctrine – Think it, Breathe it, Live it and Obey it or else. In other words MIND CONTROL.

That said the following is a brief list of various things and a brief explanation of how they stem from religious belief systems (cults) or are caused by religious belief systems.
(I originally entitled this section; Religion is a mind ◊◊◊◊ – meaning it f**ks over your mind.)

#1 Magic – Creationism (enough said)
#2 UFO’s – Goes back to several mythologies (religions, cults) where anything they couldn’t identify (flying type objects) was labeled as some sort of god or attributed to one. Also stems from various mythologies (religions, cults) fables of gods or their accomplices arriving on flying horses or in chariots or this that or the other type of vehicle or flying animal.
#3 Extra dimensions (parallel type scenarios) – Well when religions (cults) ran out of places for their gods/goddesses to live and their afterlife scenarios to exist, they had to come up with something.
#4 Time travel – Way too many references in mythologies (religions, cults) to list, but a given to many gods/goddesses. Also stems from the way humans measure time.
#5 Telepathy (without technology) – Pretty much prevalent in all mythologies (religions, cults). Silent prayer (a religious ritual abuse) would be telepathy. How many religions (cults) still use the old “their particular supernatural entity (god) spoke to them or came to them in a way that only they could hear or see?
#6 Telekinesis (not the technology definition) – Almost every supernatural entity (god, demi-god, goddess) in every mythology (religion, cult) has been attributed the ‘power’ to move things with a thought. Also the ‘power’ to create or destroy objects with a simple thought.
#7 Teleportation – Another ‘power’ attributed to most supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) and even to some humans (through magic) in almost every mythology (religion, cult) .
#8 Levitation – Often mistaken for flight, which again is attributed to many supernatural entities (gods/goddesses) throughout various mythologies (religions cults).
#9 Transmorgrification (shape shifting) – Probably actually stems from people wearing various hides as clothing, but has been adapted (twisted to fit) almost every mythology (religion, cult). And has often been used to represent ‘evil’ entities or beings when the people wearing the hides were not part of the
particular cult (religion, mythology) representing it as such. Also see reference to Zeus above.
#10 Alchemy (as relating to magic) – Quite a few references in various mythologies (religions, cults) to various supernatural entities being able to alter the composition of things, including humans, into other substances. Midas touch, pillar of salt and Medusa turning people to stone for a few examples.
#11 Astrology – Referred to in most mythologies ( religions, cults), usually as some sort of Astronomy twisted to fit into a particular mythological (religious, cult) system of beliefs. Has since become pretty much a religion (cult) by itself.
#12 Psychiatry and Psychology – Religion is the original psychological warfare operation. Throughout history people have been deemed mentally ill for speaking out against mythologies (religions, cults). Note the irony. Lobotomies were first performed under the guise of religion.
#13 Pedophilism – May have other origins, but has been a part of most mythologies (religions, cults) throughout history. Usually incorporated as some sort of rite or ritual or practiced by said members and followers. The word originated from a rite in a Roman religious ritual abuse, but it took place before (and still does) under different names, virgin sacrifices, arranged child marriages, etc)
#14 Delusions of Grandeur – Built into every mythology 9religion, cult) that claims only its’ followers will go to heaven (or whatever name they give it ) or achieve a higher plane of existance. Also stems from the belief of a soul and that people are somehow more than mortal. It is also why it is so easy to use religion to get people to go to war or to look the other way when atrocities
are being committed especially when committed on members of other religions or cults or against people with no religious beliefs. Slavery, torture, etc. Has a tendency to lead to racism.
#15 Paranoia – Some sort of religious or cult entity is always watching or waiting to take over. Ever wonder where the idea for ‘big brother’ came from? Often used to create fears in order to prey off of them.
#16 Multiple Personality Disorder – Duality. Constant struggle between ‘good’ and ‘evil’ inside everyone. It is probably a case of transference. Has been a trait of several entities in various mythologies (religions, cults). Sometimes even called a ‘power’ or ability.
#17 Sexism – See delusions of grandeur above. Built into most mythologies (religions, cults) as either a male god or a male god as head of the set of gods. Also applies to the Amazonian type scenario.
#18 Hallucinations – Visions and the like. Prevalent in many, if not all, mythologies (religions, cults). Various mythologies (religions, cults) have used drugs (psychotropic or psychoactive) or starvation to aid in causing them. This includes near-death type ‘experiences’. They stem from whatever a particular mythology (religion, cult) programs into its’ followers that they should see when taking part in a particular ritual abuse. The fear of reprisal or punishment or banishment if not seen also aids in this. Where there have been various choices of visions, the hallucination will be the one that the person most wants to see. Basically mind f**king themselves. (This would be the same for curses and the like also).

Mythology is basically taking a natural occurrence and attributing it to a supernatural
entity or creating one to explain it. See above. However the so-called ‘powers’ usually stem from the “My god is more powerful than yours” type of childish gibberish. Which also plays a part in the delusions of grandeur mentioned above.

Those not under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, if reading this or certain words in it ‘trigger’ a response, that is another part of religious programming. Religions (mythologies, cults) have been doing this since way before the Pavlov or ‘ Manchurian Candidate’ experiments were done.

Those under attack by the psychotronic weaponry, reading this may cause a specific torture technique to start by the attackers. Could range from words to phrases to images to mood manipulation to pain attacks. This may also be a combination of the attacks to amplify pre-existing religious programming in order for the attackers to prey upon what religion has already done.
 
I haven't read it yet but I think I already feel compelled to tell you: Paragraphs can be your friend, they make huge blocks of text, like you have, much easier to read.

Oh and if you cut and pasted this frome somewhere you may wish to replace it with a link before one of the mods comes along. Just a friendly reminder.
 
james m. vierling jr said:

Comment: This means all systems of religion, not just ones that you (general term meaning everyone) don’t happen to be a member of regardless of their size or the extent of their brainwashing or mind control.
Just a tad over-generalizing, isn't it? I mean, if all religions are cults and all cults are religions, why have the two terms?
 
Read some more, skimmed the rest.

Definitely feels like R&P is going through a trough in the cycle of being intresting. Given time, I'm sure it'll start heading back up again.
 
In the link he uses paragraphs. I do admire how prolific he is. I can't write over two sentences without just...
 
All these things you mention are the products of organized religion, and the ideas associated with controlling its members.
 
No, I wrote that all by myself. If I use something from another web site, I always include that fact. I have posted a few things on various web sites and I have also sent pretty much everything that I posted here (other than the replies to the responses to my posts, but I don't have a problem doing that either) out to sites all over the world. The usage of paragraphs on the web site mentioned has nothing to do with me. That is the way that the web site owner decided to put it on the page. While using paragraphs may be somewhat easier to read, due to the formatting differences between computers and sometimes the sites being posted to, it can make copying and pasting from word to the space the site provides a pain in the ass. And often results in an offset appearance when done this way, then going back through and back-spacing everything. I don't have the time on a computer to do that.

A correct statement, that that is what comes from organized religion. However if two people share religious delusions and meet regularly that would qualify as organized.
 
I'll start this post with a little more on astrology. Two children born at the exact same instant would be exactly alike as far as astrological 'influences'. So if these children were born at the exact same instant at near opposing sides of the earth this would still apply as per astrology. Even though they would be born under different skies as far as the stars that were visible from where they were born. So these two children born at the exact same instant; one being born at say 9:00 p.m. December 31st, 2003 where it was located and the other at 9:00a.m. January 1st, 2004 where it was located; would have different times, days and years for their so-called astrological 'influences'. This even though they were born at the exact same instant. Then there is the example of when two children are born three hours apart on say on the east coast of the U.S. at 6:00a.m. then the other three hours later on the west coast of the U.S. when it would also then be 6:00a.m. These two should then by astrology terms have the exact same 'influences'. Then there is the fact that when astrologies were first concocted, by religions, the same stars may not even be there or be visible due to various astronomical events. This applies to both the monthly zodiacal astrology and the yearly Chinese astrology, also any others out there.

Now for some things on the subject of time. 1st off, now is now everywhere. 2nd time is not a dimension. 3rd time is not a vector per se. Any point on a time line would extend infinitely in either direction. There CANNOT be a beginning of time. Neither from a science nor a religious standpoint. For those that imply that time started with so-called creationism, this itself implies that some sort of magic existed before the so-called creation. This means that there was also a passage of time. This type of 'reasoning' would also apply to the premise of a void where, again magically, things started to appear. Time would have passed before this magic occurred also. Same goes for time passing before any 'big bang' would have happened. Otherwise this also would imply magic. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MAGIC. Inversely, if the earth or the sun or the galaxy or even the entire universe ceased to exist, time would still pass afterward. By the way, the only relationship between space and time is that it takes time to cover space (to move a distance). Speed is nothing more than the previous sentence expressed as a ratio, distance to elapsed time. Time does not depend on humans being around to measure it despite delusions to the contrary. Wonder where those came from. Death to psychotronic weaponry. Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr.
 
james m. vierling jr said:
Religion is fraud. James M. Vierling Jr.

Prove it. Join a religion, participate in the rituals, then take the religious establishment to a court and sue them for fraud. Bring lots of evidence. Be wary of null hypotheses. Time travel would be a benefit as well, so you can verify or contradict (in your case) the claims in question.

-Elliot
 
I'm afraid he wasn't using the legal definition of "fraud" in the first place.
 
c4ts said:
I'm afraid he wasn't using the legal definition of "fraud" in the first place.

What definition of fraud then? What is the standard? If it's just a personal one, then I'm sorry, of course he is welcome to his personal opinion. I wasn't sure if he was appealing to a non-personal standard.

-Elliot
 

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