a_unique_person said:
Toad, I don't think you actually said where he was factually wrong. If there is something wrong with Moore, it is that he is an American, that is the way you guys go about things, like it's all showbiz. He just happens to mix his showbiz with his facts.
Here in Australia, we are more in the British tradition, don't make such a song and dance, just present the facts in an interesting way. (Not that cultural imperialism isn't changing that, slowly).
The bank did give out free guns for a new account, that is not in dispute, the only quibble was over how he staged it all. How much is it a matter of handing a gun over a counter to someone, like BFC says, and how much is it different in reality.
I think your real problem is that you are scared of what F911 will show you. As people who have seen it have said, it is a lot more than just an attack on Bush, it also shows the results of his actions at a human level. These people aren't 'facts'.
You appear to be a reasonable, thinking person, who does not swallow the whole gun lobby story uncritically. The issue of what F911 tries to portray with Bush may be just a little frightening for you. Your brother in law making an idiot of himself, you can handle, your elected government doing the same thing is perhaps a little hard to handle.
I don't think it's so much that. There were fabrications and errors, which is what you almost come to expect anymore in this arena. The Round Mound of Sound, (Limbaugh), is notorious for a lot of it, and I'm sorry that Moore seems to feel this is justified. What the hell, that's entertainment.
I'm not afraid of what I might see. Rather, I'm somewhat depressed that I'll see what I already know. I simply do not trust George W. Bush, for the same reason I didn't trust Bill Clinton: they
lie.
To put it another way, my life out on the road requires that I have FACTUAL information on what's ahead, and that it be accurate. I there's an accident ahead of me, (10-33), I had damn well better know where it is, how far the backup is on the freeway, and if emergency vehicles are on scene. Someone's life is at risk in those moments, and, dammit, I don't have time to try and guess what's coming up when I've got 80,000 lbs. gross to keep under control. I keep the CB on, and I listen to the AM band for traffic and weather information. Hopefully, with advance warning, I can either reroute, or I can weather it out.
A few months ago, however, I was in the mountains, and found myself in the middle of a snowstorm with another driver. Our oh-so-generous employer "forgot" to provide us with necessary snow chains, because, hey, we're not supposed to be in the snow in the first place(!). Unfortunately, no one bothered to tell "Mother Nature," and about halfway down the hill, my flatbed decided to get tail-happy. I cut off the jake brake, accelerated slightly, and used the trailer's brakes and brought it back into line, but just the same, I wasn't happy that I'd almost jackknifed up in the mountains. Had the trailer come around as it wanted to, you'd be reading my obit here, not my posts. The trailer would have sliced right through the cab, and I'd have been crushed to death.
I understand that a nation at war cannot share some information. But, geez, at least make damn sure the information you
do share is accurate and truthful. If you can't do that, STFU, already, because you're more of a hazard when you open your mouth.
It's one of the bigger beefs I have with John Ashcroft, with my biggest complaint being that he seems to have forgotten that this Nation is ruled by law, not fiat. I won't even get started on that one; you'll be stuck reading this for days.
