True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[Mobyseven]

You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him.

As He taught that we are all suppose to figure out the mysteries of life, and search and seek and stiop being so dam lazy in accepting everything on every tree.

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

Why exactly is it that you wish not only to try and prove "the government did it" using an unrelated philosophical argument, but you also wish to try and either convert me or condemn me at the same time?

"You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him." ...look, he cancelled on ONE freaking golf match (and I don't blame him, I whopped his heavenly buttocks last time), but we have another match this Sunday...I believe he's warned me about you already though.

 

[Mobyseven]

Hi, I a long time lurker and this is my first post. My ususal playground is the Sceptic Society forum but I have read the conspiracy forum here for some time with an almost morbid curiousity.

The reason for my response is the gaffe of Davidjayjordan confusing sceptisism with "SEEK TO FIND".

The danger of "seeking to find" is that you will find something if you look hard enough.These are, however, not necessary meaningfull or even truthfull answers or evidence. Seek hard to find and you are bound to find anything, from faces in the clouds to convenient coindicences, bigfoot tracks to the face of Jesus in a sandwich and telepathy to Nostradamus' verses predicting my first post in the JREF forum.

A sceptic asks questions, does research and seeks answers and evidence, but not necessary to find them. A sceptic takes the null-hypothesis and seeks not expecting to find. Only if you don't expect it that, which exists, can make itself known despite expectations.

A sceptic or scientist will take their own hypothesis and try to disprove and debunk it themselves before showing the results. They will attack it... hard.. untill it hurts and after that present it to the world and let others have a go at it. That's what sceptisism and science is not "SEEKING TO FIND".

The CTers, for instance, sought to find evidence for controlled demolition. What did they find? They found "Squibs", puffs of smoke they couldn't explain. That these puffs of smoke aren't evidence or explosives and can be explained by the air-pressure from the ongoing collapse doesn't matter to them. They sought hard to find evidence and they found; "squibs" and it's "evidence" because they found it.

Best regards, pannarrans

Nominated this.

 

[Gravy]

Hi, I a long time lurker and this is my first post. My ususal playground is the Sceptic Society forum but I have read the conspiracy forum here for some time with an almost morbid curiousity.

The reason for my response is the gaffe of Davidjayjordan confusing sceptisism with "SEEK TO FIND".

The danger of "seeking to find" is that you will find something if you look hard enough.These are, however, not necessary meaningfull or even truthfull answers or evidence. Seek hard to find and you are bound to find anything, from faces in the clouds to convenient coindicences, bigfoot tracks to the face of Jesus in a sandwich and telepathy to Nostradamus' verses predicting my first post in the JREF forum.

A sceptic asks questions, does research and seeks answers and evidence, but not necessary to find them. A sceptic takes the null-hypothesis and seeks not expecting to find. Only if you don't expect it that, which exists, can make itself known despite expectations.

A sceptic or scientist will take their own hypothesis and try to disprove and debunk it themselves before showing the results. They will attack it... hard.. untill it hurts and after that present it to the world and let others have a go at it. That's what sceptisism and science is not "SEEKING TO FIND".

The CTers, for instance, sought to find evidence for controlled demolition. What did they find? They found "Squibs", puffs of smoke they couldn't explain. That these puffs of smoke aren't evidence or explosives and can be explained by the air-pressure from the ongoing collapse doesn't matter to them. They sought hard to find evidence and they found; "squibs" and it's "evidence" because they found it.

Best regards, pannarrans

Very well said. Thanks for uncloaking, pannarrans.

 

[hellaeon]

Lord Shmord.

Whats your point DaveyJ?

 

[Alareth]

The OP uses many, many words, but does not actually say anything.

John Madden makes more sense.

 

[fuelair]

You know, DJ keeps referring to not finding "the Lord", not seeing"the Lord etc. Anybody else think DJ has kidnapped this "Lord" whoever and is holding him for ransom or something. Anybody care?

 

[Paulhoff]

 

[Pardalis]

John Madden makes more sense.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

True Skeptics Versus False Skeptics

True scientists look for connections, the CAUSE of the EFFECT. They use logic and reason and hope to find a truth thru experimentation via a theory that continually works.

False skeptics deny everything and stand for nothing but worship skepticism as they are afraid to back up anything and so stay in the safety zone of saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing but complainers and whiners.

Real skeptics discern truths and eventually make decisions on what they experience and see and read and determine. Real skeptics have courage, yet false ones are whimps and haven't got a clue because they have absolutely no basis for discernment. Why because they know no laws, or have no standards. For a law or principle or a standard or a truth is what gives someone the ability to discern further other potennial truths.

False skeptics .... groaning, complaining, whining skeptics are not skeptics at all, just those without backbones who can not make decisions and are afraid to make a stand on anything.... and hence are afraid to connect up the mysteries of life. true skeptics have no FEAR, false skeptics are full of doubts and FEARS.

Why, again because false skeptics are lazy and prefer to be on the sidelines and afraid to work and get real and have real experiences and achieve real individuality. Real skeptics do not need the support of anyone else, they will go it alone if need be. But false skeptics love the cozy pews of group mockery because they need the support from fellow false skeptics. For together, they prop up their faith in believing in nothing and standing up for nothing. They hate connections, cause and effect. because they don't want to do the hard job of figuring out what caused what effect.

False skeptics are not true skeptics, There is a huge difference between the two. True skeptics will not accept the answers of others, but will respectfully interrogate any and all iuntil they come to an ANSWER or THE ANSWER they are seeking. For they seek, they don't just sit and criticise those that are seeking and they don't just sit and criticise those that are trying to delve into the mysteries of life. They WORK !!!

Real skeptics REALLY work hard at solving the mysteries of life, and dissipating the lies that are taught to them or others. Because real skeptics care about others as well. They are concerned not just about themselves and their own actions but about others. They are not in their own little selfish world like the false skeptics who only come out at night to complain and harass any on the road to discovery. True skeptics care and want progress and have a goal. False skeptics are lazy and want to go no where and do nothing except be follish and mock those that are passing them by.

So let's make it very clear that there is a HUGE difference between TRUE SKEPTICS and FALSE SKEPTICS.

True skepticism is a thing of honour and courage, False skepticism and pretense is dishonourable and disgusting and shameful.

True skeptics try to discern and figure out the truth behind those that CONSPIRE CONSPIRACIES against them and others. True skeptics are going somewhere, false skeptics are afraid to go anywhere.

Which are you ?

 

[beachnut]

True skepticism is a thing of honour and courage, False skepticism and pretense is dishonourable and disgusting and shameful.

True skeptics try to discern and figure out the truth behind those that CONSPIRE CONSPIRACIES against them and others. True skeptics are going somewhere, false skeptics are afraid to go anywhere.

Which are you ?

I was left with the impression I have two choices...

I choose neither – You made a mistake and included a third choice. I corrected your third choice for errors.

I want this one - True scientists use logic and reason to find truth. (I wish)

Simple version, better than trying, hoping or may find the truth. We use logic and reason to find truth.

 

[Zep]

Ummm, yeah.

DJJ, GET HELP, DUDE! YOU KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

 

[Mobyseven]

DJJ - What's your point?

Are you saying that we aren't real skeptics?

 

[gnome]

True scientists look for connections, the CAUSE of the EFFECT. They use logic and reason and hope to find a truth thru experimentation via a theory that continually works.

True scientists make sure there is an effect, before they look for a cause.

As far as I can tell the only difference between your idea of a true or a false skeptic is that the "False" skeptic refuses to cut corners to accept your theories.

 

[Belz...]

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Or my woo engine, inspired by our friend, Lightcreatedlife@hom :

 

[JimBenArm]

True scientists look for connections, the CAUSE of the EFFECT. They use logic and reason and hope to find a truth thru experimentation via a theory that continually works.

False skeptics deny everything and stand for nothing but worship skepticism as they are afraid to back up anything and so stay in the safety zone of saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing but complainers and whiners.

Real skeptics discern truths and eventually make decisions on what they experience and see and read and determine. Real skeptics have courage, yet false ones are whimps and haven't got a clue because they have absolutely no basis for discernment. Why because they know no laws, or have no standards. For a law or principle or a standard or a truth is what gives someone the ability to discern further other potennial truths.

False skeptics .... groaning, complaining, whining skeptics are not skeptics at all, just those without backbones who can not make decisions and are afraid to make a stand on anything.... and hence are afraid to connect up the mysteries of life. true skeptics have no FEAR, false skeptics are full of doubts and FEARS.

Why, again because false skeptics are lazy and prefer to be on the sidelines and afraid to work and get real and have real experiences and achieve real individuality. Real skeptics do not need the support of anyone else, they will go it alone if need be. But false skeptics love the cozy pews of group mockery because they need the support from fellow false skeptics. For together, they prop up their faith in believing in nothing and standing up for nothing. They hate connections, cause and effect. because they don't want to do the hard job of figuring out what caused what effect.

False skeptics are not true skeptics, There is a huge difference between the two. True skeptics will not accept the answers of others, but will respectfully interrogate any and all iuntil they come to an ANSWER or THE ANSWER they are seeking. For they seek, they don't just sit and criticise those that are seeking and they don't just sit and criticise those that are trying to delve into the mysteries of life. They WORK !!!

Real skeptics REALLY work hard at solving the mysteries of life, and dissipating the lies that are taught to them or others. Because real skeptics care about others as well. They are concerned not just about themselves and their own actions but about others. They are not in their own little selfish world like the false skeptics who only come out at night to complain and harass any on the road to discovery. True skeptics care and want progress and have a goal. False skeptics are lazy and want to go no where and do nothing except be follish and mock those that are passing them by.

So let's make it very clear that there is a HUGE difference between TRUE SKEPTICS and FALSE SKEPTICS.

True skepticism is a thing of honour and courage, False skepticism and pretense is dishonourable and disgusting and shameful.

True skeptics try to discern and figure out the truth behind those that CONSPIRE CONSPIRACIES against them and others. True skeptics are going somewhere, false skeptics are afraid to go anywhere.

Which are you ?

That's easy. I'm a false skeptic, because all I want to do is mock you.

Is this for real, dude? Is this revealed truth, or did you read it in a fortune cookie? Did Baby Jesus tell you this?

So, is being a False Skeptic akin to being a False Prophet? Do we get cool "911" tattoos on our foreheads, and get to hang out with the Anti-Killtown?

Come on, clue me in here. I need more detail.

 

[Paulhoff]

True scientists look for connections, the CAUSE of the EFFECT. They use logic and reason and hope to find a truth thru experimentation via a theory that continually works.

Well we can stop right here with you, there is no need to go any farther. You don't do this, you already have determined the effect you want and the cause you want, and will make up any numbers you need to make your ideas work. And no matter how many times you are shown to be wrong, you just keep quoting the wrong numbers. You see patterns where there are none, because you need too. Maybe we should feel sorry for you, but I know I don’t.

Paul

 

[fuelair]

Or, as Cecil used to say "D J , you dirty guy!" (just as DJ got his comuppance).

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I shall respond once I get a response from the moderators ior instigators HERE...

Why are they in hiding ? Or who are the moderaters HERE. Are they the ones inciting the mob atmosphere ?


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Bob Kause wrote the following on POST # 499 on the 432 thread in Science and Math Board, I ask you is it an acceptable POSTING HERE, its in (( ...)) YES or NO ?

And then I responded with the following...

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Originally Posted by Bob Klase
(( I hope no one here lives anywhere near DJJ. I really think that he may be the type of person that eventually turns to serial killing to get his message out. ))



I know you negative skeptics of follishness think you are being cute, but wacth what you say... and you better reign yourselfs in and even reign others in when they suggest that I would resort to serial kiling to get my message out. have you guys and gals no morals what soever. No respect, no lifes.

I say this not to all but only to that majority that would are increasing their foolish postings and allowing BOB to go even further... into suggesting that I would resort to serial killing to get my message out. And yet none of you barked at him or said enough is enough. You are definitely turnming into a mob, with a mob mentality. But I have reported Bob, and I have reported another fellow and notice he is no longer making his attempts to wreck this thread and others.

Why are most of you soo foolish ? Is it athieism that has so emboldened you to be like this. You aren't being true skeptics showing reason and logic and sicernment.

You're surely not what JFR forums is about.

Some are at least trying occassionally to show respect and some are helping with the research and asking good questions, but the majority are just getting worse and worse and worse.

I try to ignore you... but saying I would resort to serial killing is way out of control.

If you had any discency any morals, any courage you would have blasted Bob Klase for his comments. or are you just hear to wreck the thread and hear yourselves babble. Not all of you but most of you, and you do know who you are.

 

[Anti-sophist]

If you had any discency any morals, any courage you would have blasted Bob Klase for his comments. or are you just hear to wreck the thread and hear yourselves babble. Not all of you but most of you, and you do know who you are.

So I guess it's ok for you guys to accuse anyone you want of mass-murder, but if someone says you might resort to the same thing, they've crossed the line.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I shall respond once I get a response from the moderators ior instigators HERE...

Why are they in hiding ? Or who are the moderaters HERE. Are they the ones inciting the mob atmosphere ?


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And then I responded with the following...

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Originally Posted by Bob Klase [URL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld/buttons/viewpost.gif[/URL]
(( I hope no one here lives anywhere near DJJ. I really think that he may be the type of person that eventually turns to serial killing to get his message out. ))

Earth to drama queen, that was a different thread in a DIFFERENT SUBFORUM. Do you assume every poster here, reads every read, in every subforum, all the time?

I know you negative skeptics of follishness think you are being cute, but wacth what you say... and you better reign yourselfs in and even reign others in when they suggest that I would resort to serial kiling to get my message out. have you guys and gals no morals what soever. No respect, no lifes.

1) Take it to the forum management subforum
2) Appeal to pity logical fallacy
3) No one, outside of mods and admins, has any control over anyone else here
4) Morals are irrelevant in a discussion of facts and evidence

I say this not to all but only to that majority that would are increasing their foolish postings and allowing BOB to go even further... into suggesting that I would resort to serial killing to get my message out. And yet none of you barked at him or said enough is enough. You are definitely turnming into a mob, with a mob mentality. But I have reported Bob, and I have reported another fellow and notice he is no longer making his attempts to wreck this thread and others.

Earth to drama queen, that was a different thread in a DIFFERENT SUBFORUM. Do you assume every poster here, reads every read, in every subforum, all the time?

Why are most of you soo foolish ? Is it athieism that has so emboldened you to be like this. You aren't being true skeptics showing reason and logic and sicernment.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Translate that into English please.

You're surely not what JFR forums is about.

No True Scotsman logical fallacy

Some are at least trying occassionally to show respect and some are helping with the research and asking good questions, but the majority are just getting worse and worse and worse.

I try to ignore you... but saying I would resort to serial killing is way out of control.

If you had any discency any morals, any courage you would have blasted Bob Klase for his comments. or are you just hear to wreck the thread and hear yourselves babble. Not all of you but most of you, and you do know who you are.

Earth to drama queen, that was a different thread in a DIFFERENT SUBFORUM. Do you assume every poster here, reads every read, in every subforum, all the time