True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[Davidjayjordan]

PARKY, I like your emblem, even though it is usually associated with the devoid Masons. And yet yours has a cross in the center and shows the truth of the GREAT ARCHITECT, and sacred geometry and the Sexy Star of David. Interesting....

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Goyim can be used many ways, it can mean anyone that is nonJewish.

But I use it the way some do as, meaning those dumb sheep that are lead to the slaughter, as it aplies to all races and all religions and all people, because we each must discern and make choices so we are NOT dumb sheep to the slaughter.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Goyim can be used many ways, it can mean anyone that is nonJewish.

No it can't. Not in the context you use it.

But I use it the way some do as, meaning those dumb sheep that are lead to the slaughter, as it aplies to all races and all religions and all people, because we each must discern and make choices so we are NOT dumb sheep to the slaughter.

You just said "goyim" ment "non-jewish". It cant then be used to apply to all races and religions. It means "non-jewish".

You are using it in the common white-supremacist CT way: Goyim, "non-jews" are being herded as dumb sheep by the non-Goyim, "jews" who are in control.

In short "The jooooos did it". Regular filthy off-the-shelf antisemtic CT stuff.

/SLOB

 

[chippy]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us. And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

This is true skepticism in my opinion. Not believeing what the world, the rich, the powerful, tell us to believe.... nor what the education systems, the religious systems and the military juggernaut tells us to believe. For these lies are sent out to deceive us and indoctrinate into us as lambs to the slaughter.

True skeptics know and have studied that there are conspiracies. They do not judge a matter before discerning the truths from the lies. They decide and have a background of discernment so they don't just label all incoming information as lies, but systematically and painstaking DISCERN truth from lies and half lies.

They do not want to be spoon fed, but take the responsibility for what they believe and act on. For life for them, is not a word game but much more serious than that .... especially when it comes to serious topics like war and death.

True skeptics study and research and establish principles for further discernment. They have principles and morals rather than just negating and denying everything. They are usualyu condemned by the worldly systems as negative, when in fact they are looking for the positive by denying the lies and the negativity that those lies cause.

Don't you agree or do you think there are no truths and we should believe the lies of the government, military, education and church without question and just follow and be good worldly citizens and church goers and new military recruits ?

Ugh. I've seen this many times before. You cannot argue that the government planned 9/11 simply by making a philosophical argument.

Are you looking for the truth? Then don't listen to ANYONE. Not the government, not Dylan Avery, not Mark Roberts, not Jason Bermas, not Killtown, not ANYONE! If you really want the truth, then find it for yourself. Everyone would very much like to be spoon-fed the truth, but the fact of the matter is that there are leaders and followers on both sides. A lot of people watch Loose Change and get blown away by it, and then they are totally sold on the conspiracy theory. It isn't until a skeptic comes by and presents evidence to the contrary that some of them change their minds.

All I'm saying is that if you want the truth, don't be one of those people. Think for yourself. No need to get all philosophical about it!

 

[Kiwiwriter]

And beneath the puffery...

No it can't. Not in the context you use it.



You just said "goyim" ment "non-jewish". It cant then be used to apply to all races and religions. It means "non-jewish".

You are using it in the common white-supremacist CT way: Goyim, "non-jews" are being herded as dumb sheep by the non-Goyim, "jews" who are in control.

In short "The jooooos did it". Regular filthy off-the-shelf antisemtic CT stuff.

/SLOB

It figures. "Independant Christian Missionary." Another one.

You should have a chat with MaGZ, wherever he is at the momemt.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

It figures. "Independant Christian Missionary." Another one.

You should have a chat with MaGZ, wherever he is at the momemt.

You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him.

As He taught that we are all suppose to figure out the mysteries of life, and search and seek and stiop being so dam lazy in accepting everything on every tree.

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

It figures. "Independant Christian Missionary." Another one.

You should have a chat with MaGZ, wherever he is at the momemt.

Perhaps they can exchange PMs on Stormfront.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Wrong answer...

You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him.

As He taught that we are all suppose to figure out the mysteries of life, and search and seek and stiop being so dam lazy in accepting everything on every tree.

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

I don't need a middleman to connect me with God. He is All, and in All. And you should know that.

And as for your "skepticism," I recognize a guy who has a penknife to grind against Jews when I see one.

 

[mortimer]

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, you don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!
The Crowd (in unison): Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
The Crowd (in unison): Yes, we ARE all different!

 

[CurtC]

But can;t be labeled anything except an individual as I reject groups that rely on group faith

So I take it that you rely on "individual faith"?

There's your problem right there - around here, we rely on facts and evidence to guide what we believe. Since the definition of "faith" is "belief without evidence," I think even you can see the disconnect.

And Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life - isn't that the song from Young Frankenstein?

 

[Quad4_72]

You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him.

As He taught that we are all suppose to figure out the mysteries of life, and search and seek and stiop being so dam lazy in accepting everything on every tree.

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

So, am I to understand that the only way to be a true skeptic is to believe in conspiracies?

 

[fuelair]

True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

DJ visits, drops trou, shows true face, vanishes.
(Well, three out of 4 anyway)

 

[Lonewulf]

"Think for yourself!"

'Sure!'

"The filthy jews/government/whatever were responsible for 9/11!"

'Where's the evidence?'

"Think for yourself!"

'Sure! I'll think for myself when you give me the evidence behind your claim.'

"Nonono, by 'think for yourself', I meant listen to whatever I say as gospel truth."

'So you don't want me to think for myself?'

"Well... yes. I mean, no. Yes... but no. Yeah. Yet no."

'I'm gonna go do more important things. Bye.'

 

[JimBenArm]

You should have a chat with the Lord but you can't find Him.

As He taught that we are all suppose to figure out the mysteries of life, and search and seek and stiop being so dam lazy in accepting everything on every tree.

And as he taught we should be individuals not groupies with group mentalies, and group thinking and moblike qualities.

And so when you complain of individuals so be it, other complain if some of us group together....... as individuals. Damned if you do and damned if you don;t so we don't base our lives on your standards that are confusing and geared by your dogma. We are true skeptics that search to find and stand up as real individuals if we find a truth. If you have none, its obvious why you complain about everything and can't see through the conspiracies.

Why is it that all the racists can't even string a coherent sentence together? Is babbling nonsensically part of the movement, or is it indicative of something physically wrong in their heads? Seriously, it's like a string of random thoughts put together that he thinks means something.

Dude, did being a "world-class" athlete involve repeated concussions?

 

[pannarrans]

Hi, I a long time lurker and this is my first post. My ususal playground is the Sceptic Society forum but I have read the conspiracy forum here for some time with an almost morbid curiousity.

The reason for my response is the gaffe of Davidjayjordan confusing sceptisism with "SEEK TO FIND".

The danger of "seeking to find" is that you will find something if you look hard enough.These are, however, not necessary meaningfull or even truthfull answers or evidence. Seek hard to find and you are bound to find anything, from faces in the clouds to convenient coindicences, bigfoot tracks to the face of Jesus in a sandwich and telepathy to Nostradamus' verses predicting my first post in the JREF forum.

A sceptic asks questions, does research and seeks answers and evidence, but not necessary to find them. A sceptic takes the null-hypothesis and seeks not expecting to find. Only if you don't expect it that, which exists, can make itself known despite expectations.

A sceptic or scientist will take their own hypothesis and try to disprove and debunk it themselves before showing the results. They will attack it... hard.. untill it hurts and after that present it to the world and let others have a go at it. That's what sceptisism and science is not "SEEKING TO FIND".

The CTers, for instance, sought to find evidence for controlled demolition. What did they find? They found "Squibs", puffs of smoke they couldn't explain. That these puffs of smoke aren't evidence or explosives and can be explained by the air-pressure from the ongoing collapse doesn't matter to them. They sought hard to find evidence and they found; "squibs" and it's "evidence" because they found it.

Best regards, pannarrans

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us. And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

With the gaining of wisdom with age, I learned that people who can't make direct statements are usually sophistic.

 

[Spindrift]

We should be skeptical of everything especially conspiracy theories.

True skeptics are the antithesis of conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists operate on the belief that there has to be something nefarious behind everything and "SEEK TO FIND" proof to back up that belief.

Skeptics SEEK TO FIND proof first and come to an informed conclusion based on that proof.

Skeptics go into the house to see what is inside and report back their findings. Conspiracy theorists stand outside and make conjectures based on what they can glimpse through the windows with the curtains drawn.

 

[LeFevre]

Man... I should've known better when I saw the beaded curtain leading into this thread. The cloud of, umm... "incense"... wafting from it should've been a major sign, too...

Sorry! My bad, I'll go outside next time.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

Hi, I a long time lurker and this is my first post. My ususal playground is the Sceptic Society forum but I have read the conspiracy forum here for some time with an almost morbid curiousity.

The reason for my response is the gaffe of Davidjayjordan confusing sceptisism with "SEEK TO FIND".

The danger of "seeking to find" is that you will find something if you look hard enough.These are, however, not necessary meaningfull or even truthfull answers or evidence. Seek hard to find and you are bound to find anything, from faces in the clouds to convenient coindicences, bigfoot tracks to the face of Jesus in a sandwich and telepathy to Nostradamus' verses predicting my first post in the JREF forum.

A sceptic asks questions, does research and seeks answers and evidence, but not necessary to find them. A sceptic takes the null-hypothesis and seeks not expecting to find. Only if you don't expect it that, which exists, can make itself known despite expectations.

A sceptic or scientist will take their own hypothesis and try to disprove and debunk it themselves before showing the results. They will attack it... hard.. untill it hurts and after that present it to the world and let others have a go at it. That's what sceptisism and science is not "SEEKING TO FIND".

The CTers, for instance, sought to find evidence for controlled demolition. What did they find? They found "Squibs", puffs of smoke they couldn't explain. That these puffs of smoke aren't evidence or explosives and can be explained by the air-pressure from the ongoing collapse doesn't matter to them. They sought hard to find evidence and they found; "squibs" and it's "evidence" because they found it.

Best regards, pannarrans

Good point, and welcome m8.

Cheers,
SLOB

 

[JonnyFive]

But I use it the way some do as, meaning those dumb sheep that are lead to the slaughter, as it aplies to all races and all religions and all people, because we each must discern and make choices so we are NOT dumb sheep to the slaughter.

I've only seen this usage in the context of white supremacist/anti Jewish writing.

In particular, I believe the term used in that specific way originates from the infamous "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" book, now widely known as a hoax but still proclaimed to be gospel truth by anti Jewish groups the world over.

You talk a big game about skepticism, but you seem to want us to just accept what you say about, say, numerology and the truth of the Bible. Hows about some evidence?

Oh wait, asking for evidence is me wanting to be "spoon fed", how could I forget that? Obviously I'm supposed to go out and gather evidence for your crazy theories because you can't possibly be wrong.

You've also done an excellent job of uncritically lumping everyone on the military/government/possibly business together in one category.