True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

[jhunter1163]

If Timble wants to change her avatar to something black and strapless, I don't see why anyone would object.

 

[JamesB]

True skeptics and real individuals would never work for the British intelligence nor use a gun for nationalistic greeds and interests, nor be into defending the so-called free West from the so called Evil east...as James Bond movies portrayed.

They might have some of the same qualities of intelligence, sexiness and courage james showed but they would never ever work in british intelligence or the CIA etc....... for then they would become mere slaves of nationalism and patriotism and be truly brain dead and heartless.

Uhh, dude, despite my Avatar and my name, I am not actually James Bond....

 

[beachnut]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us. And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

This is true skepticism in my opinion. Not believeing what the world, the rich, the powerful, tell us to believe.... nor what the education systems, the religious systems and the military juggernaut tells us to believe. For these lies are sent out to deceive us and indoctrinate into us as lambs to the slaughter.

True skeptics know and have studied that there are conspiracies. They do not judge a matter before discerning the truths from the lies. They decide and have a background of discernment so they don't just label all incoming information as lies, but systematically and painstaking DISCERN truth from lies and half lies.

They do not want to be spoon fed, but take the responsibility for what they believe and act on. For life for them, is not a word game but much more serious than that .... especially when it comes to serious topics like war and death.

True skeptics study and research and establish principles for further discernment. They have principles and morals rather than just negating and denying everything. They are usualyu condemned by the worldly systems as negative, when in fact they are looking for the positive by denying the lies and the negativity that those lies cause.

Don't you agree or do you think there are no truths and we should believe the lies of the government, military, education and church without question and just follow and be good worldly citizens and church goers and new military recruits ?

So? The truth movement are being spoon fed by LC video, or making up lies with no facts.

No one needs to be spood fed anything to see the idiots of the truth movement lie.

Show me one fact from the truth movement. Got any?

Now show me what I have been spoon fed to where I believe the truth movement is made of lies and shoddy research?

There is no way you are talking about the 9/11 truth movement. What are you talking about?

You set of ideas does not fit anything here but does prove the 9/11 truth movement does not fit your model.

 

[SkepticGuy]

Davidjayjordan, can you point out one single error in the NIST reports or the 9/11 Commission report? No troofer has been able to do so to date, perhaps you'll be the first?

Well... I'm not a "troofer", nor do I play one online or on TV... however, here's some decent discussion starters:

(This member is an accredited engineer)
--link--> /forum/thread236345/pg1#pid2660749
--link--> /forum/thread236345/pg1#pid2661871
--link--> /forum/thread236231/pg4#pid2659726
--link--> /forum/thread236231/pg4#pid2659954

(Interesting discussion... some good, some bad points)
--link--> /forum/thread215768/pg1

That might help with some perspective.


NOTE: It turns out I can't post links until after I have 15 posts, just precede the above links with www-dot-abovetopsecret-dot-com.

 

[Freddy]

Got anything specific?

Well, for starters, being a CTer requires refusing to believe what you learned in mathematics and physics classes (if you're one of the few CTers who have studied either at even a high school level).

Why should we just believe what those math and science textbooks tell us? That's just what "they" want us to think. A CTer's paradox: how can you learn anything if you are unwilling to trust the authority of anyone who might be able to teach you?

The answer: you will learn only what you can teach yourself (or what Neo -Nazi holocaust-denying websites tell you, since, inexplicably, they are the one authority you can trust). This means that, since as a CTer you're insane and have a below average IQ, you'll probably "learn" many things which are false.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Translation:

 

[T.A.M.]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us.

That is one of many things we should gain as we age and grow wiser. We should also obtain the ability to sift through information and differentiate between the unfounded and founded, between that which is raw and pure, and that which has agenda. Taking people on their word, if they have done nothing to lose our trust, is also something we must courageously do as we get older, if we are to get along. I'll grant you, the USG as an entity is one organization that I do not blindly except information from. Neither do I accept it from Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, or others who have repeatedly shown to be full of lies, deciet, and agenda. The scientists at NIST and FEMA, however, I have no reason to distrust. Nor do I have any reason to distrust a panel of evenly handed Democrats and Republicans such as the 9/11 commission, despite what others with their own agendas might say about it.

And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

Sounds more liek the CTists guide to living.

This is true skepticism in my opinion. Not believeing what the world, the rich, the powerful, tell us to believe.... nor what the education systems, the religious systems and the military juggernaut tells us to believe. For these lies are sent out to deceive us and indoctrinate into us as lambs to the slaughter.

Spoken like someone who is not a part of any of those things. Why do you fear the rich, the military, the curch, the education system. You think they are all bad. Are you a college drop out or reject or something. You seem to think alot people in this world are intentionally misleading you. I would hate to live in the world you think you live in.

True skeptics know and have studied that there are conspiracies. They do not judge a matter before discerning the truths from the lies. They decide and have a background of discernment so they don't just label all incoming information as lies, but systematically and painstaking DISCERN truth from lies and half lies.

Absolutely correct, which is proof positive, that as of yet I have not met one CTist from the 9/11 truth movement that could be called a TRUE skeptic.

They do not want to be spoon fed, but take the responsibility for what they believe and act on. For life for them, is not a word game but much more serious than that .... especially when it comes to serious topics like war and death.

This is your opinion. I cannot find this definition under any dictionary version of skeptic. There are lots of people who are not skeptics, that could fit your above definition.

True skeptics study and research and establish principles for further discernment. They have principles and morals rather than just negating and denying everything.

First part I agree with. Morals have nothing to do with skepticism in the pure sense. You are opinionating again.

They are usualyu condemned by the worldly systems as negative, when in fact they are looking for the positive by denying the lies and the negativity that those lies cause.

I disagree. I think most CTists are condemned by the world as a whole, and some pure skeptics are scorned by the religiously zealous, but in general I think society appreciates true skepticism.

Don't you agree or do you think there are no truths and we should believe the lies of the government, military, education and church without question and just follow and be good worldly citizens and church goers and new military recruits ?

I think once again you are lumping a large number of unrelated groups into one, which unfair in itself. It is also telling of where your world view is. Honestly, the world is not filled with evil people out to get you or make your life miserable.

If all you are trying to say is THINK FOR YOURSELF, than with this I agree.

TAM

 

[David Wong]

The CTers all want to talk in vague, philosophical terms about "not believing what you've been told" but they seem to put almost no value in EVIDENCE.

They think that simply believing the opposite of what most people believe makes them "skeptics." But that's just as mindless as blind belief; mindlessly thinking the opposite of what "they" tell you is just as ignorant as mindlessly accepting it.

The difference, is evidence. And no fringe conspiracy theory has it. You have to cherry pick through 1,000 experts to find ONE that sort of agrees with you, you have to ignore 1,000,000 pieces of evidence to find one that casts doubt on the accepted story. It's a filtering process that will NEVER bring you to the truth.

 

[Pardalis]

I think CTists confuse philosophical skepticism with scientific skepticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism

 

[MarkyX]

True skeptics use science as a judgement of whether or not an evidence is legit, no who it comes from.

 

[Mr.D]

True skeptics
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don't just label all incoming information as lies,

Oh really?

Don't you agree or do you think there are no truths and we should believe the lies of the government, military, education and church without question and just follow and be good worldly citizens and church goers and new military recruits ?

So since you pre-judge the "government, military, education and church" as lying to you, you are not a "true skeptic." Fascinating.

 

[boloboffin]

True skepticism: re-inventing the wheel.

 

[Gravy]

True skeptics and real individuals would never work for the British intelligence nor use a gun for nationalistic greeds and interests, nor be into defending the so-called free West from the so called Evil east...as James Bond movies portrayed.

1) Who is defending the "so-called free West from the so called Evil east?"
2) Should nations take measures to try to prevent attacks like those on 9/11 and 7/7?

They might have some of the same qualities of intelligence, sexiness and courage james showed but they would never ever work in british intelligence or the CIA etc....... for then they would become mere slaves of nationalism and patriotism and be truly brain dead and heartless.

I knew a guy who was one of the top people in the CIA. He was whip-smart, he had a great heart, and he couldn't stand the President. Explain. Actually, do your homework first. It's a school night.

 

[TheGrunion]

Well... I'm not a "troofer", nor do I play one online or on TV... however, here's some decent discussion starters:

(This member is an accredited engineer)
--link--> /forum/thread236345/pg1#pid2660749
--link--> /forum/thread236345/pg1#pid2661871
--link--> /forum/thread236231/pg4#pid2659726
--link--> /forum/thread236231/pg4#pid2659954

(Interesting discussion... some good, some bad points)
--link--> /forum/thread215768/pg1

That might help with some perspective.


NOTE: It turns out I can't post links until after I have 15 posts, just precede the above links with www-dot-abovetopsecret-dot-com.

Do you have evidence supporting your claim (in bold above)? If not I suggest that you retract it.

 

[Pipirr]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us. And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

Hi DJJ, I'm just a young whippersnapper who can't see through the lies. Please help me to see the conspiracies and lies of life.

Waiting for your wisdom,

Pip

 

[gumboot]

With the gaining of wisdom with age, we are suppose to learn there are lies being taught us and deceptions being made to try and control us.

Are we? Who says we are "supposed" to do this? Is it what society expects of us? Is it a law? When was this law established? Is it an American law? Or is this an article of International Law? If so, do you know if New Zealand has ratified this law?

And yet with age and experience, we are suppose to learn to see thru the smoke screens to get at sufficient truths to carry on and be positive..... and even help others see the conspiracies and lies of life.

How old are you?

This is true skepticism in my opinion. Not believeing what the world, the rich, the powerful, tell us to believe.... nor what the education systems, the religious systems and the military juggernaut tells us to believe. For these lies are sent out to deceive us and indoctrinate into us as lambs to the slaughter.

That's not skepticism. That's paranoia. You're working from a pre-conceived view of the world, and allowing that view to shade everything you learn. If a police officer at a road block tells you you can't go down the road, because it's unsafe would you just go down any way, plunging into a raging river when you reached the washed out bridge? Because, you know, he's just lying to you to control you, right?

I don't know about where you come from. Fortunately it's a little different here. We don't, for example, have a military juggernaut. It's more of a military pipsqueak.

True skeptics know and have studied that there are conspiracies. They do not judge a matter before discerning the truths from the lies. They decide and have a background of discernment so they don't just label all incoming information as lies, but systematically and painstaking DISCERN truth from lies and half lies.

That's much closer to the mark.

They do not want to be spoon fed, but take the responsibility for what they believe and act on. For life for them, is not a word game but much more serious than that .... especially when it comes to serious topics like war and death.

Yes, yes, we get the idea. Get on with it.

True skeptics study and research and establish principles for further discernment. They have principles and morals rather than just negating and denying everything. They are usualyu condemned by the worldly systems as negative, when in fact they are looking for the positive by denying the lies and the negativity that those lies cause.

I disagree that they are usually condemned. Being a skeptic does not mean being negative towards anything and everything. It merely means refusing to accept something as fact on first pass. Your opinion that everything "official" is a lie, is a non-skeptical stance, and a false one at that. Many things "we" are told by "them" are very much true. A skeptic allows for the possibility of a given being true or false, until researched. A skeptic does not make up bold generalising assumptions.

Don't you agree or do you think there are no truths and we should believe the lies of the government, military, education and church without question and just follow and be good worldly citizens and church goers and new military recruits ?

The above is what a skeptic would recognise as a fallacy. You make a false argument here that there are only two alternatives:

1) There are truths which we must find, because the government, military, education system, religion etc... all lie to us in order to send us off to slaughter.

2) There are no truths so we should all follow the lies of the above said people and become good conforming automatons.

I think both of the above are completely utterly incorrect, false, and wrong.

Try again.

-Gumboot

 

[stateofgrace]

True skeptics and real individuals would never work for the British intelligence nor use a gun for nationalistic greeds and interests, nor be into defending the so-called free West from the so called Evil east...as James Bond movies portrayed.

They might have some of the same qualities of intelligence, sexiness and courage james showed but they would never ever work in british intelligence or the CIA etc....... for then they would become mere slaves of nationalism and patriotism and be truly brain dead and heartless.

Really?

So I take you have this stereotypical view of the security services, whereby all that work for them are simply mindless drones that carry out the orders from above , without question and without remorse? They simply obey orders.
Why is that troothers having this view of the security services? Maybe you can explain, maybe you can tell me what actually drives every single person that works for the intelligence community and security services to behave is such a deceitful and heartless manner.
You have such an insight into it and you are not brain dead nor are you a slave to the very system you rely on to keep you safe and secure , like those you accuse, please enlighten me.
Enlighten me as to what you would do? How you would deal with the threat of global terrorism? Would you simply bury your head in the sand and pretend it does not exist?
Please oh enlightened one,spew your words of wisdom onto the forum, show me how a free thinking spirit thinks.

 

[uk_dave]

1)

I knew a guy who was one of the top people in the CIA.

Ahhhhh, but did he know you?

 

[fuelair]

And now, with his greatest (only) hit: Proud DJ!!!!

"Trollin', trollin'. trollin' on thuh ri-ivehr!....................

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

For they are into control at the higher levels while many of the goyim below believe the greatest lie of all, that they are free.

So you believe "the joooos" did it? (my link added above)

Cheers,
SLOB