Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

[LDE1976]

Assuming that video is real (I still kind of hope it's some kind of super-convincing fake) and ignoring the Satsumoid Caecotroph's protozoan levels of logic, by far the most disturbing aspect is the implication that the lives of invaders, rapists and war criminals are more important than those of the thousands of often reluctant Ukrainian soldiers killed defending their country, or the families who perished in their own homes as a result of Russian policy.

EDIT: Having rewatched, I'll cling to the hope for now that it may have been Trump's inarticulate way of saying that the Russians won't want to return land that's cost them so many lives to sieze. But who knows?

 

[Georg]

Donald Trump: “Russia fought for that land in Ukraine and lost a lot of soldiers doing it, so Russia should keep it.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892006846354899221

"so Russia should keep it" is not in the video.

 

[Mike!]

"The home invaders worked hard smashing the door in and removing the valuables, and were bit before killing the family dog in self defense, so it's only fair they should get to keep all their ill-gotten gains, after all, the home owner shouldn't have ever started it in the first place."

 

[Jack by the hedge]

"The home invaders worked hard smashing the door in and removing the valuables, and were bit before killing the family dog in self defense, so it's only fair they should get to keep all their ill-gotten gains, after all, the home owner shouldn't have ever started it in the first place."

The home owner should just have done a deal when they started smashing his front door. It wouldn't have happened if I'd been their neighbour.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

US just made itself irrelevant in any peace talks. European countries will have to keep Ukraine able to continue the fight.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I realise now I was wrong yesterday, because I had got their intentions entirely backwards. What a difference a day makes.

When I said Lavrov made no sense when he said this: "If Europe intends to continue the war in Ukraine, then what reason is there to invite them to the negotiations?" I wrongly imagined the negotiations were peace talks. Since it's now pretty clear they are actually negotiating Trump's fee for stabbing Ukraine in the back, Lavrov suddenly makes complete sense: If Europe won't be bought off, what's the point of their being at the bribery negotiations?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Putin announces that Russia and the United States have formally agreed to reestablish diplomatic ties.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1892218270486331585

 

[Mike!]

Must be Trump's way of paying him back for his help winning the election.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Oooh 1984 doublespeak. It's Zelensky that's a dictator now according to Trump.
I never thought a country founded on freedom from dictators could swing to autocracy supporter in so swift a manner. I assumed there would be *some* attempt to keep Trump grounded in the values of the US. At least the former values of the US

 

[theprestige]

Must be Trump's way of paying him back for his help winning the election.

When has Trump ever fairly settled a debt or repaid an obligation?

 

[carlosy]

But he was the lesser of two evils. Kamala was the impossible choice.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

When has Trump ever fairly settled a debt or repaid an obligation?

when he still needs something - like another term.

 

[Mike!]

When has Trump ever fairly settled a debt or repaid an obligation?

Generally when he sees there may yet be some value to squeeze out of the turnip, or he just likes the way it kisses his ass at the moment.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Not only that. Most of the money was spent in the US anyway.

Pretty much all of it was. What the US gave to Ukraine was old kit that was replaced using the money "allocated" to Ukraine with newer kit.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I was reassured repeatedly by Republican aligned posters that Trump would not abandon Ukraine.

I'm guessing the likes of the prestige and that have rapidly engaged in a reverse ferret on this, just as they have done on other matters that they've had strong moral feelings about.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Oooh 1984 doublespeak. It's Zelensky that's a dictator now according to Trump.
I never thought a country founded on freedom from dictators could swing to autocracy supporter in so swift a manner. I assumed there would be *some* attempt to keep Trump grounded in the values of the US. At least the former values of the US

It was built right into the US from the start. Remember the country was built on the idea of "rule of the rich, by the rich and for the rich" not perishing from this Earth. It just took a bit longer than expected to devolve to brutal dictatorship.

 

[theprestige]

I was reassured repeatedly by Republican aligned posters that Trump would not abandon Ukraine.

No you weren't. Those posters are all in favor of abandoning Ukraine.

I'm not aligned with Republicans on this. You might have gotten some hope from me, that it wouldn't get this bad, this fast, but here we are.

 

[theprestige]

I'm guessing the likes of the prestige and that have rapidly engaged in a reverse ferret on this, just as they have done on other matters that they've had strong moral feelings about.

TGZ is lying, and you guess wrong.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Prestige is going full True Scotsman

 

[SpitfireIX]

QUESTION: Can trump lift sanctions against Russia without it going through Congress?

That is bound to be his next move.

Short answer: Yes. Congress has vested most of the authority to impose and lift sanctions in the executive branch.