The Oklahoma City Bombing Coverup

[J. Arthur Hastur]

So give me the names of the BATF agents killed. Simple.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47320

Give me the names of all the agents in the building. Both of those are impossible tasks.

There is no complete list of casualties from the Murrah Building I could find, some families did not want the information on their dead relatives publicized.

How about you explain the false information and picture in your first post? I've done a lot of research that shows your initial statements are patently, 100% false.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

That's because you are "skeptical", right?

Yeah, darn us for wanting to corraborate evidence with other sources.

 

[Gr8wight]

Originally Posted by Bikewer:

Two years ago, the university I work for hired a demolition company to take down one of our old high-rise dormitories. 12-story, reinforced concrete structure. It took them two months of heavy-duty drilling, jack-hammering, and so forth to prep the building for demolition. Then they had to place the large number of charges and wire them ever so carefully together for maximal effect.

This would be a process that would be likely to attract attention in a working building, I'd imagine.....

That is all true and valid, however, a professional demolition engineering organization is performing a precise imploding operation, designed to demolish a structure with no damage to nearby facilities, and for maximum demolishing affect (in order to facilitate outloading).

ANFO bombs (slow and cumbersome, but which materials are easily obtained and which is easily constructed) are a completely different explosion, and (when used against public facilities) are detonated with a completely different goal.

You have completely missed Bikewer's point. The opinion was expressed in the OP that additional explosives pre-planted inside the building would have been required in order to cause that level of damage.

 

[Gravy]

Gee, the U.S. sure has been busy blowing up buildings from the inside while pretending to blow them up from the outside.

Look at all that messy debris in the streets! Don't the conspirators know that cleanliness is next to wooness?

U.S. Embassy, Beirut, Lebanon

Marine Barracks, Beirut Lebanon

Khobar, Saudi Arabia

Colombo, Sri Lanka

Istanbul. Turkey

Volgodonsk, Russia

Gurlanova, Russia

Nairobi, Kenya

People, Roxdog (conspiracybeliever) is a troll who doesn't have any arguments, just links. I do feel bad for him, though. He seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from typing more than a sentence or two. Respond to him if you will, but don't expect anything more than links in return.

 

[Huntster]

....I have yet to find anything on ATF agents at the Murrah building, except on White Supremacy sites and CT site, I can find no actual credible news info one way or the other..............yet.

James Pate and Rick Sherrow wrote extensively about the OKC inconsistencies in "Soldier of Fortune" magazine. Their own investigations seemed to point to both FBI and ATF conducting anti-militia investigations in Oklahoma, their informants not even knowing the other agency's informants, the opposing informants actually feeding the other agency's informants with misinformation, both agencies having reasonable info that a bombing was coming down, and then (through bumbling) didn't stop it in time.

The "coverup" later wasn't to cover "G-Men" bombing their own building, but to cover up their investigative ineptitude and lack of inter-agency cooperation (especially at a time when both FBI and ATF were being scrutized for the Waco and Ruby Ridge excesses).

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Okay, I'm done looking up stuff for today, refuting three out of four points is enough to massage my ego

I should really get some work done!

 

[Huntster]

Ah-ha! I found this, according to the Federal Charges against Timothy McVeigh he was charged with the murder of 11 Federal Agents from both the ATF and FBI, along with his other charges of using a weapon of mass destruction and other murder counts.

I will admit that there are dozens of webpages that mention that no ATF or FBI agents were killed in the blast but they do not cote any sources other than 'eyewitnesses', but the above is from a .pdf of the Charges against Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Of course you will say that the government added those cahrges as a further cover up.............

Those were the "clerical", un-badged agency employees.

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Those were the "clerical", un-badged agency employees.

They are still agents of those agencies. It was stated that NO ATF agents of FBI agents lost their lives. That is obviously false.

Anyhow, I'll pick it up again tomorrow.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

What are the BATF agents names? How hard is that?

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

What are the BATF agents names? How hard is that?

What are the names of everyone killed at the Murrah Building? How hard is that? Would you please read my posts?

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Never mind, I won't pick it up again tomorrow. Let me know when you've actually READ and REPLIED factually to my posts THEN I'll pick it up again.

Just like every other CT pickle brain, ignore the facts posted and only focus in on what you want.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

People, Roxdog (conspiracybeliever) is a troll who doesn't have any arguments, just links. I do feel bad for him, though. He seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from typing more than a sentence or two. Respond to him if you will, but don't expect anything more than links in return.

Don't forget quotes from the officals sources that contradict the facts. I posted those too. Perhaps you missed it.

Anyone wanna come on the radio to discuss this? Then I can play the clips of the Gov of OK talking about removing bombs, holding back rescue teams, etc...

The common thread in all this is that I have researched this stuff and know what Im talking and most of you simple do not.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

Give me the names of all the agents in the building. Both of those are impossible tasks.

There is no complete list of casualties from the Murrah Building I could find, some families did not want the information on their dead relatives publicized.

How about you explain the false information and picture in your first post? I've done a lot of research that shows your initial statements are patently, 100% false.

So it's impossible to give the name of the BATF agent that died? The family wishes would have ZERO relevence on the release of that info.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

Okay, I'm done looking up stuff for today, refuting three out of four points is enough to massage my ego

I should really get some work done!

You've refuted nothing....

The following entries from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol’s radio dispatch logs:

– 10:29 a.m. "There is another bomb on the south side of the bldg. Need to get away as far as possible.... Evacuate the area of the bldg immediately, evacuate the S. side of the bldg immediately."

– 10:33 a.m. "Adv CP [Advise Command Post] we poss [possibly] have another device." "If it is the one on the S. side we have already gb’d [grabbed] it." "Okay." "Did you have anything further beside the one on the S. side?" "Neg [negative]."

– 10:37 a.m. "OC Fire Dept. confirms they did find a second device in the bldg." "O.K." "Cont. [contact] all troopers and have them move all civilian personnel back 1 more block."

– 2:00 p.m. "Unable to contact ATF." "Keep tring [trying] they think they have found another device. Have one of there [sic] people contact HQ48 on the northside of the bld."

• A Forces Command, Fort McPherson, Georgia, log entry for April 19, 1995 at 11:57 a.m. which states: "Two more explosive devices were located vicinity the explosion site. Evidently intended for the rescuers."

• A DoD Atlantic Command memo from Norfolk, Virginia on April 20, 1995, which states: "A second bomb was disarmed, a third bomb was evacuated."

• A Federal Emergency Management Agency Situation Report for April 20, 1995 which reads: "A second and third bomb were located in the building. The second bomb was disarmed and the third bomb was evacuated."

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

So it's impossible to give the name of the BATF agent that died? The family wishes would have ZERO relevence on the release of that info.

Not true, I have found two lists of the dead at the Murrah Federal Building, and so far both of them have at least 14 -Name Withheld fields and neither of them list the Agency or comapny they worked for. If you can find a better list, let me know, I give up looking.

I also resent the facat that everytime I disprove your original statements (in post #1 of this thread) you don't explain or admit to your statements being wrong, you instead ask another question for me to prove to you.

I'm done, I've already proved that two of your points are patently wrong and that one is specious at best, now PROVE YOUR POINT TO ME.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

You've refuted nothing....

S'okay because you have presented nothing to refute; beyond the fact that, at one point, they THOUGHT there were more bombs, and no one is disagreeing with that point.

You on the other hand have presented nothing to show that there actually WERE more bombs.

 

[steve s]

The common thread in all this is that I have researched this stuff and know what Im talking and most of you simple do not.

Really? How do you address the comments I made on page 2 about the transfer beam? There's no need for explosive charges in the building. Once the transfer beam was taken out by the initial blast, there was nothing left to hold up the entire front of the building. Gravity was the culprit, not explosive charges planted in the building.

Steve S.

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

You've refuted nothing....

The following entries from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol’s radio dispatch logs:

– 10:29 a.m. "There is another bomb on the south side of the bldg. Need to get away as far as possible.... Evacuate the area of the bldg immediately, evacuate the S. side of the bldg immediately."

– 10:33 a.m. "Adv CP [Advise Command Post] we poss [possibly] have another device." "If it is the one on the S. side we have already gb’d [grabbed] it." "Okay." "Did you have anything further beside the one on the S. side?" "Neg [negative]."

– 10:37 a.m. "OC Fire Dept. confirms they did find a second device in the bldg." "O.K." "Cont. [contact] all troopers and have them move all civilian personnel back 1 more block."

– 2:00 p.m. "Unable to contact ATF." "Keep tring [trying] they think they have found another device. Have one of there [sic] people contact HQ48 on the northside of the bld."

• A Forces Command, Fort McPherson, Georgia, log entry for April 19, 1995 at 11:57 a.m. which states: "Two more explosive devices were located vicinity the explosion site. Evidently intended for the rescuers."

• A DoD Atlantic Command memo from Norfolk, Virginia on April 20, 1995, which states: "A second bomb was disarmed, a third bomb was evacuated."

• A Federal Emergency Management Agency Situation Report for April 20, 1995 which reads: "A second and third bomb were located in the building. The second bomb was disarmed and the third bomb was evacuated."

Please read my posts, I said that I could not find any transcripts like the one posted, I already conceded that as of today, I cannot find evidence that proves or disproves the above transcripts.

I did however find out that your facts and picture regarding the University of Wisconsin building were incorrect, the Murrah Building bombing used a 4,000LB ANFO bomb, whereas U of W used 2,000LB ANFO bomb.

The picture you used was of the building after reconstruction, not after the blast as you claimed.

I found that according to charges filed against Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols that they were charged with murder of 11 ATF and FBI agents.

Three out of the four points you made are either FLAT WRONG, or demonstrably specious.

 

[rwguinn]

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People, Roxdog (conspiracybeliever) is a troll who doesn't have any arguments, just links. I do feel bad for him, though. He seems to have a medical condition that prevents him from typing more than a sentence or two. Respond to him if you will, but don't expect anything more than links in return.

I don't. His condition is either curable--by actually learning simething--or not.
In the first case, he is wilfully refusing treatment, and thus unworthy of sympathy.
In the second case, he is beyond our help and incapable of understanding sympathy.
So--no sympathy.

 

[Mojo]

Really? How do you address the comments I made on page 2 about the transfer beam? There's no need for explosive charges in the building. Once the transfer beam was taken out by the initial blast, there was nothing left to hold up the entire front of the building. Gravity was the culprit, not explosive charges planted in the building.

Ah, but gravity is only a theory, not a fact.