The Oklahoma City Bombing Coverup

[JPK]

Good afternoon Huntster.

Probably very few, if any.

So no more attacks in the future? Great news. I'm glad the Big Bad Government has gotten that out of the way. No more worries.

But it would be kinda nice if we could do the right thing afterwards (instead of being misdirected, or given half the story), wouldn't it?

Who is this "we" that you speak of?
JPK

 

[conspiracybeliever]

The van was not parked anywhere near that arrow though.

The bomb used AN & jet fuel.

Sterling Hall was devastated and 19 other buildings were damaged to varying degrees.

So how many times more powerful is the air blast from a AN & nitromethane bomb to a AN & diesal fuel bomb?

 

[Nyarlathotep]

So the Genral that was Head of Air Force Weapons Development is a conspiracy theorist? Good to know. You guys are so smart.

Who said that, excepting you automatic straw man generator? I frankly am not familiar with the guy. But I don't care WHO you are, a first impression from a picture is no substitute for actual examination of the wreckage. WHy does his examination from a picture trump the examination of the investigators who were there? Beyond the obvious fact that his words (and we don't even know wha the context of them was) favor your conspiracy theory?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So how many times more powerful is the air blast from a AN & nitromethane bomb to a AN & diesal fuel bomb?

If you had bothered reading the link I provided, you would know that the VOD for an ANFO explosion is 13,000-15,000 fps, and, as is in the section I quoted, the Oklahoma bombing contained additional energetic materials besides the ANFO.

 

[Kochanski]

As usual a one-liner instead of addressing the info...

What info? I see pictures with quotes. Hardly hypothesis there for us to analyse and respond to.

Provide a complete and cogent hypothesis with as much data as you have, then you can expect an answer. Otherwise go find some friends to agree with you and stop bothering us with your picture books.

At least Mas & Co. provide us with fun pics, yours are just meaningless.

 

[LTC8K6]

Jet fuel is kerosene, btw.

Newspaper accounts have it as 1700 pounds, 4 - 55 gallon drums.

 

[Mojo]

Intelligent conspirators, these. At the WTC, where, we are told, the building should have fallen outwards, they set up the buildings so as to collapse in on themselves as in a controlled demolition, but in Oklahoma, where the building should have been "blown in", they set it up so that it would look as if it had been "blown out".

Can't they get anything right?

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Some of that data is incorrect, Timothy McVeigh's Ryder Truck (according to the Crime Library) carried a 4,000LB ammonium nitrate bomb, not 2,000LB. As we all hopefully know, doubling the amount of explosive increases exponentially the size of the blast. A 4,000LB ammonium nitrate bomb would have roughly 8x the explosive power of the 2,000LB blast.

I also found a site on the University of Wisconsin bombing, the van carrying the 2,000lb was not flush with the building,but parked in a delivery are. The picture that has been providecis the rebuilt portion of the University building, damaged bricks that were structurally sound were left in place.the damage to the building was mainly from concussion and fire.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Intelligent conspirators, these. At the WTC, where, we are told, the building should have fallen outwards, they set up the buildings so as to collapse in on themselves as in a controlled demolition, but in Oklahoma, where the building should have been "blown in", they set it up so that it would look as if it had been "blown out".

Can't they get anything right?

The Globalists are apparently the worlds cleverest morons.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/whi_images_new/700099990273/9999004526-l.jpg

It looks like the van was considerably further away than "8ft from a column".

 

[Huntster]

Good afternoon Huntster....

Howdy!

Originally Posted by Huntster :
Probably very few, if any.

So no more attacks in the future? Great news. I'm glad the Big Bad Government has gotten that out of the way. No more worries.

I'm confused. Maybe I misunderstood your post:

....Since you seem to believe that you are on to something, can you kindly tell us what other buildings are wired to blow so we can do something about it ahead of time?....

I took that to ask how we would know about sabotaged buildings ahead of time in order to do something about it before they blew.

I doubt that's often possible, but I think it would be good for us (as a society of free voters, not to mention the jury in a subsequent trial of the accused) to be given accurate and truthful information on what happened.

I'm not sure that occurred after the Oklahoma City attack.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/museum/artifacts/archives/001636.asp

 

[Manny]

So the General that was Head of Air Force Weapons Development is a conspiracy theorist? Good to know. You guys are so smart.

Well, he believes the Murrah building was blown up by leftists to try to get America mad at the militias. He believes that TWA 800 was shot down by missiles, that someone (the government, the Branch Davidians themselves -- I'm not clear) placed a large demolitions charge in the Waco compound and that flight 93 was also shot down by missiles. He may be correct about all of these things, but yeah, I'd say that puts him into conspiracy theorist neighborhood.

But that's not relevant -- we address facts here, not people. I just found it interesting that he was being cited by someone who apparently doesn't believe that flight 93 was shot down. I was just curious as to how you weighed his evidence to come to agree with him about Oklahoma City but not about Shanksville, is all.

 

[J. Arthur Hastur]

http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/whi_images_new/700099990273/9999004526-l.jpg

It looks like the van was considerably further away than "8ft from a column".

Yes, according to the police the van was parked near a loading area roughly 20ft from the building.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/whi_images_new/700099990273/9999004526-l.jpg

It looks like the van was considerably further away than "8ft from a column".

Am I the only one who had this mental dialogue upon viewing that pic?

"Gee Bob, there ain't much of this here thing left."
"Ayup."

 

[Mojo]

http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/whi_images_new/700099990273/9999004526-l.jpg

It looks like the van was considerably further away than "8ft from a column".

That photo looks to me as if they've gathered together all the bits of the van etc. that they could find and put them together. It doesn't necessarily show where the van was when it blew up.

 

[Hagrok]

Well, he believes the Murrah building was blown up by leftists to try to get America mad at the militias. He believes that TWA 800 was shot down by missiles, that someone (the government, the Branch Davidians themselves -- I'm not clear) placed a large demolitions charge in the Waco compound and that flight 93 was also shot down by missiles. He may be correct about all of these things, but yeah, I'd say that puts him into conspiracy theorist neighborhood.

But that's not relevant -- we address facts here, not people. I just found it interesting that he was being cited by someone who apparently doesn't believe that flight 93 was shot down. I was just curious as to how you weighed his evidence to come to agree with him about Oklahoma City but not about Shanksville, is all.

A vast number of highly placed Air Force people are... how can I say this politely... morons.

I have no idea how our military is as powerful as it is, having worked for the Air Force for a number of years.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

But that's not relevant -- we address facts here, not people.

That is preposterous. Most of you guys will actually go and look for mostly irrelevent dirt on someone before you even address their assertions. You got a few badasses here, I will definitely give you that. Chipmunk comes to mind. But to say "oh, we address facts here, not people" is laughable at best.

And considering there were people yelling all this stuff at Clinton's Justice Department within days of the bombing with him ignoring it and blaming it on his "vast right wing conspiracy", I'd say there might be something to Partin's assessment.

 

[conspiracybeliever]

A vast number of highly placed Air Force people are... how can I say this politely... morons.

I have no idea how our military is as powerful as it is, having worked for the Air Force for a number of years.

we address facts here, not people.

 

[azazal]

What I find funny, I did a quick google on Gen. Partin and I'm finding all these CT web sites telling me about his record, but I'm not finding a copy of his record,assignments, etc.