A load of hot gases can penetrate bone? Who would have thought it?
I wonder what yankee451 will make of that?
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A load of hot gases can penetrate bone? Who would have thought it?
I wonder what yankee451 will make of that?
I know I'm late to the party, but the cruise missile thing stuck with me.
A Tomahawk cruise missile weighs between 1.45 and 1.75 tons, this includes a 0.5 ton warhead. Being conservative, a 767-200/ER weighs about 150 tons (not even fully loaded, mind you. This is a considerable difference in terms of energy.
I went through and did some quick calculations. Here's my breakdown.
150 tons (US) equates to ~136077 kg. I'm figuring that the plane wasn't quite at top speed, so 800 km/s, which is 222.24 m/s. Plug that into the good ol' e = 1/2 mv2 equation, and we get 3,360,481,069 kJ.
Now. Take the known stats of a Tomahawk (being generous, say it's at the maximum weight and speed - so 1600 kg and 880 kmh (244.46 m/s)) and plug that in. We get 47,810,118 kJ.
3,360,481,069 kJ of energy versus 47,810,118 kJ. That's 70 times greater than the maximum energy a Tomahawk can deliver. A cruise missile is one of those snap packs you toss on the ground compared to a jet.
A Tomahawk cruise missile weighs between 1.45 and 1.75 tons, this includes a 0.5 ton warhead. Being conservative, a 767-200/ER weighs about 150 tons (not even fully loaded, mind you. This is a considerable difference in terms of energy.
I went through and did some quick calculations. Here's my breakdown.
150 tons (US) equates to ~136077 kg. I'm figuring that the plane wasn't quite at top speed, so 800 km/s, which is 222.24 m/s. Plug that into the good ol' e = 1/2 mv2 equation, and we get 3,360,481,069 kJ.
Now. Take the known stats of a Tomahawk (being generous, say it's at the maximum weight and speed - so 1600 kg and 880 kmh (244.46 m/s)) and plug that in. We get 47,810,118 kJ.
3,360,481,069 kJ of energy versus 47,810,118 kJ. That's 70 times greater than the maximum energy a Tomahawk can deliver. A cruise missile is one of those snap packs you toss on the ground compared to a jet.
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Well, not easily. It helps if you load a cotton wad about the size of a cigarette filter into it to keep the powder from spilling out of the cartidge.A load of hot gases can penetrate bone? Who would have thought it?
I wonder what yankee451 will make of that?
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Bull feathers. There is still obviously red primer on all of those columns, and they look more bashed-in than gouged. A ballistic object travelling from left to right would have scraped paint off. Of course, you did not notice that you have about threee floor slabs visible in your illustrasion here. The plane didn't haver to break the slabs lengthwise. The impact would have lifted them up out of their seats on the perimeter columns.
You assume that you know what it is supposed to look like and assume wrong every time.
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Ugh. I get sick, just thinking about that. The paper wadding was of little import. The jet of gases would have been enough. Essentially, Hexum held a shape charge to his head, and tripped the detonator.
I thought this thread was about molten concrete at the NYPD museum? It is a curious thing, how a gun can melt right into concrete. Can fire really melt concrete around a gun like that? That's what it says on the plaque behind the artifact in the museum.
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Obvious sign of an inside job.
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I wouldn't say that....but it is weird.
Would the gun melt too? Have you heard of mistakes, or simile?
No, the thread is how Yankee451 hates police, and denies those who died on 911. Did you read the OP, the rant against the police?
No. I would prefer to keep on subject. From the picture in my possession it looks like the gun melted all except for the tip of the chamber...i wish I could upload my picture. Its melted into the concrete which needs to reach a ridiculous temp.
Oops, the original OP was this copied directly... http://yankee451.com/2012/07/15/963/
The concrete did not melt and the OP is a rant against police. Did you follow the link, or is reading about the OP too hard to do?
The thread, the OP was a rant against the police. You did not read the OP.
The tremendous heat and energy of the collapse and fires could cause the debris to form around the gun like concrete. The best explanation has already been posted. How heat and energy can form what is seen.
You missed the original OP, here it is. http://yankee451.com/2012/07/15/963/ That was the original copy and paste from his web site, it is nonsense to the nth degree. The thread is not really about melted concrete, or a mistake made by a museum. The gun looks like the concrete did melt around it; so?
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"Looks like" is the operative phrase. Dampen a pile of finely crushed concrete and it will re-set to a fair degree. Hell, dampen a pile of limestone dust that never had cement near it and it will set to a fair degree.
"The stone dust in crushed limestone clings to the rocks when wet and hardens like cement as it dries." source
All that's happened to this gun is that it became encased in hardened material. No concrete 'melting' required.
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Generally, if concrete gets hot enough to melt, it vitrifies. That is to say that when it cools, it will harden into a glass substance.
The material around those guns is definitely not at all glass-like. Thus, I would have to conclude that it was formed at far lower temeratures than the melting point of concrete. What is more likely is that the guns were buried under concrete that had been heated to a point at which it became crumbly. Subsequent exposure to water started the formation of rust. If you spend a lot of time on the beach around a built-up area, you will often find bits of rebar with some concrete stuck to it, along with stray beach pebbles, sand, sea shells and other odd objects.
Iron oxide will leach into concrete or other materials and form a rather hard nodule. This is what we are seeing here.
Yankee451 is making fun of the curator of the police museum for getting these things labelled in a misleading manner. There is really nothing to see here that has any bearing on the nature of the fires or the events which caused them.
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Architect, Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save 'relics from the rubble,' did a 'hands-on' examination of a multi-ton 'meteorite' found in the WTC debris.
He stated for the record, as well as in a History Channel documentary, that it was a 'fused element of molten steel and concrete.'
MM
He stated for the record, as well as in a History Channel documentary, that it was a 'fused element of molten steel and concrete.'
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You mean like the not-melted melted steel and the not-burned burnt paper?
MM has been around long enough to know this whack-a-mole claim has been debunked long ago and often. The first time is a mistake. Thereafter it's a lie.