Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[Animal]

I'll give you this Steve - I've worked in commercial real estate for coming up on 24 years and I've never had any building at 100% capacity. Ever. My current account has over 70,000 square feet available and another 52,000 coming up by the end of Q3 this year. That translates to 5 floors. So no, no building is ever fully leased and I expect the WTC was no exception.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/31/r...world-trade-center-things-are-looking-up.html

 

[yankee451]

Well, one is an aircraft made of aluminium, the other is a ship made of a hull made from continuous steel plate backed by forged steel ribs and horizontal steel decks etc.


A 767 is an aircraft made out of aluminium and the towers are made out of hollow steel columns.

If an aluminium aircraft can crash into a steel ship and break through the continuous steel of the hull, why can't a much bigger and heavier aircraft break through the columns of the building?

Well, besides the fact that the hull was plate steel, not a series of square columns (only one surface to contend with), there's the simple fact of the BOMBS attached to the WARPLANE.

Later investigation indicated that a Jap suicide plane, probably a Tony Kawasaki Ki-61 carrying three 132 lb. bombs hit the ship on the port side at the water line in the vicinity of frame 80. The ship was holed in three places: A seven foot hole in the engine room at the water line caused by the engine and fuselage to which it is believed was attached a bomb which was the first explosion, a ten inch hole in the engine room about 2 feet above the water line caused by a bomb which was later discovered as a dud, and a four foot hole in Compartment A-304-EL a crew's berthing space, caused by a bomb which was the second explosion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Hinsdale_(APA-120)

Kamikaze planes did indeed cause considerable damage to steel hulls in WWII. Most Kamikaze planes that were used specifically for Kamikaze attack were little more than flying torpedoes designed to puncture steel hulls. However what's clear when looking at these images is the wings didn't punch through the steel.

The 767 was presumably not so equipped.

 

[Andy_Ross]

A ships hull is thicker steel than your columns and isn't just a flat plate. It is backed by steel ribs and decks. It is a lot tougher than the clumns of the towers. Each individual column is a lot weaker than the side of the ship. It is each column that has to take the impact.

You will note that in your quote the bomb was a 'dud'. it didn't explode.

Explain what you mean by 'flying torpedo'? Most Kamikaze attacks were by fighters and bombers just flown into the ships. By that time in the war the Japanese air force had pilots with minimal training able to take off and crash, that's all they were expected to do. Just like the Hijackers on 911.

On 911 what the aircraft had was massively more weight, size and importantly speed. plus their target was bigger and built from small thin walled columns compared to the hull of a warship.

What damage do you think would be done a ship if it was hit by an airliner at 500 miles an hour weighing over a hundred tons as compared to a small single seat fighter moving slower and weighing a fraction of the airliner?

Buildings are designed to stand up. Warships are designed ro be damaged and survive.

 

[yankee451]

A ships hull is thicker steel than your columns and isn't just a flat plate. It is backed by steel ribs and decks. It is a lot tougher than the clumns of the towers. Each individual column is a lot weaker than the side of the ship. It is each column that has to take the impact.

You will note that in your quote the bomb was a 'dud'. it didn't explode.

Explain what you mean by 'flying torpedo'? Most Kamikaze attacks were by fighters and bombers just flown into the ships. By that time in the war the Japanese air force had pilots with minimal training able to take off and crash, that's all they were expected to do. Just like the Hijackers on 911.

On 911 what the aircraft had was massively more weight, size and importantly speed. plus their target was bigger and built from small thin walled columns compared to the hull of a warship.

What damage do you think would be done a ship if it was hit by an airliner at 500 miles an hour weighing over a hundred tons as compared to a small single seat fighter moving slower and weighing a fraction of the airliner?

Buildings are designed to stand up. Warships are designed ro be damaged and survive.

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

 

[marplots]

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

Just to clarify, you agree then, that if the WTC had been built in the same way a battleship was built, a commercial airliner could have caused the damage seen?

 

[yankee451]

Just to clarify, you agree then, that if the WTC had been built in the same way a battleship was built, a commercial airliner could have caused the damage seen?

No.

 

[Courier]

They took themselves seriously enough to make a museum exhibit about it; that's a bit more than hyperbole. Dozens of news paper articles, endless comments on the news about the hotspots, NASA's images of the ground 1300 degrees, but no, simple office fires wouldn't do that.

The fires were not hot enough to melt or even weaken that much steel, especially over such a short time, and if the "severe" structural damage wasn't enough to bring them down immediately, it wouldn't be enough to bring them down an hour later. It's a paradox, a conundrum.

Yes. As stated before, the hollow tube of the fuselage was 17 feet in diameter.

The hole is twice that size.

You have clearly made up your mind about 9-11, and refuse to be swayed by any facts, evidence, or science.

Its really a waste of time for anyone here to try to convince you otherwise, as you have a deep emotional connection to your views on these matters.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by Travis
Yankee451, I take it I offer to accelerate some foam padding to 600mph you will have no problem letting your body be hit by it? After all your body is denser.

or go paintballing - those soft squishy pellets are obviously harmless.

Owww! Those damn things hurt! They leave black-and-blue marks! How is this possible?

 

[TJM]

They took themselves seriously enough to make a museum exhibit about it; that's a bit more than hyperbole. Dozens of news paper articles, endless comments on the news about the hotspots, NASA's images of the ground 1300 degrees, but no, simple office fires wouldn't do that.

...

The fires were not hot enough to melt or even weaken that much steel, especially over such a short time, and if the "severe" structural damage wasn't enough to bring them down immediately, it wouldn't be enough to bring them down an hour later. It's a paradox, a conundrum.

Evidently your missiles weren't enough to initiate an immediate collapse either. What does that leave us with, Steve?

Yes. As stated before, the hollow tube of the fuselage was 17 feet in diameter.

The hole is twice that size.

So you'd expect a similar sized impact hole?

 

[Travis]

You are very willing to forgive people who began rumors that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

If I had evidence I would not be so forgiving.

The reason the molten steel lie is significant is because it isn't just an isolated indiscretion.

How is it an indiscretion?

When FEMA, NASA, the USGS, the FDNY and the NYPD as well as dozens of media outlets AND the ironically-named 9/11 Truth Movement ALL sing the same tune and that tune is a blatant lie, it takes a gigantic leap of faith to keep telling yourself it was all an accident.

And what was this lie regarding the molten steel?

 

[threadworm]

Later investigation indicated that a Jap suicide plane, probably a Tony Kawasaki Ki-61 carrying three 132 lb. bombs hit the ship on the port side at the water line in the vicinity of frame 80. The ship was holed in three places: A seven foot hole in the engine room at the water line caused by the engine and fuselage to which it is believed was attached a bomb which was the first explosion, a ten inch hole in the engine room about 2 feet above the water line caused by a bomb which was later discovered as a dud, and a four foot hole in Compartment A-304-EL a crew's berthing space, caused by a bomb which was the second explosion."

 

[Animal]

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

And the Google U student still has not grasp the simplest of physics concepts yet.

 

[Andy_Ross]

No.

Why not? an airliner is bigger than a Japanese fighter so if the Tower was built like a warship the aircraft would have got through.

So, if the aircraft hit a tower built from thinner steel and also not a continuous surface it would also have gone through.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

They claimed there were rivers of the stuff. Like a foundry. Like a volcano.

Didn't happen.

Like your imaginary missiles?

 

[yankee451]

Later investigation indicated that a Jap suicide plane, probably a Tony Kawasaki Ki-61 carrying three 132 lb. bombs hit the ship on the port side at the water line in the vicinity of frame 80. The ship was holed in three places: A seven foot hole in the engine room at the water line caused by the engine and fuselage to which it is believed was attached a bomb which was the first explosion, a ten inch hole in the engine room about 2 feet above the water line caused by a bomb which was later discovered as a dud, and a four foot hole in Compartment A-304-EL a crew's berthing space, caused by a bomb which was the second explosion."

Bombs focus their momentum and mass at a small point of impact, which is why the wings bounced off but the bombs penetrated. Even the dud.

 

[leftysergeant]

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

Did you know that you can blow a man's brains out or puncture his liver with a blank round?

 

[Animal]

Did you know that you can blow a man's brains out or puncture his liver with a blank round?

Friday October 12th, 1984
Jon-Erik Hexum died on the set of the CBS television series "COVER UP".

The show was being filmed at the Twentieth Century Fox studios lot in Century City, when he 'accidentally' shot himself. The character he was playing was a weapons expert whose cover was that of a fashion show photographer.

During a scene where he is lying in bed, in between takes, he was playing around with a .44 Magnum revolver that was on-set for use as a blank-firing weapon. Shortly after 5:15 p.m. he put the pistol (according to witnesses, it was loaded with three empty cartridges and two blanks) up to his right temple. As he pulled the trigger he smiled, and supposedly said, "Let's see if I got myself with this one." He was apparently unaware that at close range, a blank can cause great damage. The explosion drove a quarter-sized piece of his skull far into his brain. The paper wadding of the straight-walled blank cartridge went straight into his temple and forced a bone chip to lodge in his brain.

 

[beachnut]

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

Straw? You found a silly version of why, and now you are stuck with the straw?

It is physics, you don' do physics so the first silly explanation you find, you jump on it and fail. Like the melted concrete, you fall for the straw can't do it, making up your own version of physics.

http://janssenkwch.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html

You would not believe what tornadoes do, you will not understand what a plane can do. E=1/2mv² is not being used by 911 truth, and you. Why are your fantasies banned by most of 911 truth?

 

[000063]

Tell me you're not still comparing a warship to the Twin Towers.

Honestly.

You're going for the straw in the hurricane next, right?

Oh, look, a non-response that tries to hand-wave away every point someone made without elaboration.

Surprise, shock.

 

[Justin39640]

Oh, look, a non-response that tries to hand-wave away every point someone made without elaboration.

Surprise, shock.

No!
lol