Moderated The NYPD and Molten Concrete

[LSSBB]

Goodnes gracious, did I forget to cross a T?

The fact that you choose to debate whether the steel is broken or sliced tells me you're reluctant to explain how a jet wing could do either when it was no longer connected to the rest of the jet.

And what about these colmns, sliced or broken? Can any of you geniuses tell me why the columns on the right would be cut so different than the columns on the left?

Right side; nice clean cuts:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sliced-steel.jpg[/qimg]

Left side; bent columns and jagged edges:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Damaged-SFRM.png[/qimg]

Looks broken to me. Hey, what did it? Sure looks like a plane hit them.

 

[LSSBB]

Translation:

"I'll clutch at any straw to avoid the topic at hand"

Clutching at straws implies desperation. I'm not desperate, it's obvious to most of the world a plane went in there. They already convicted one of the conspirators and killed a few more. What hurry am I in?

You'd better hurry. They got KSM on trial. Better get your proofy stuff over there quick. If rolleyes you're right, they're gonna execute an innocent man!

Say, how did that hole get in the building? All the eyewitnesses say it was a plane. Radar confirms it.

How much K.E. does it take to break a perimeter column?

 

[LSSBB]

From what university did you graduate, and when?

You're obviously not a structural engineer, nor an architect.

The red arrows indicate the edge of the cladding. The columns are bent.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/animated-arrow-burst1.gif[/qimg]

Hmm...

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[Animal]

Hmm...

Just to add a little tidbit.........
First degree was from a rather prestigious technical institute in the south.
Second degree was from a Jesuit University up north with a highly respected architecture program.

 

[yankee451]

Hmm...

Interesting then that an architect doesn't know about equal and opposite reactions, nor does he know the difference between aluminum cladding and a steel column. For the life of me I can't figure out why I am unimpressed with credentials. Just can't put my finger on it.

 

[yankee451]

Just to add a little tidbit.........
First degree was from a rather prestigious technical institute in the south.
Second degree was from a Jesuit University up north with a highly respected architecture program.

Oh, well that settles it. I guess a jet wing CAN slice steel without being damaged in the process. Go figure.

 

[yankee451]

Looks broken to me. Hey, what did it? Sure looks like a plane hit them.

How would you know? Seen many planes fly through steel buildings before?

 

[yankee451]

Clutching at straws implies desperation. I'm not desperate, it's obvious to most of the world a plane went in there. They already convicted one of the conspirators and killed a few more. What hurry am I in?

Annnd now you're speaking for the rest of the world! I guess delusions of grandeur accompany all those credentials. Tell me what most of the world is thinking now.

How much K.E. does it take to break a perimeter column?

More than a wimpy jet wing can muster, that's why MIT, Purdue, NIST, and R. Mackey didn't even bother modeling it.

 

[abaddon]

From what university did you graduate, and when?

You're obviously not a structural engineer, nor an architect.

The red arrows indicate the edge of the cladding. The columns are bent.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/animated-arrow-burst1.gif[/qimg]

From what university did you graduate, and when?

You're obviously not a structural engineer, nor an architect.

According to YOU, such things are unnecessary.

 

[LSSBB]

Interesting then that an architect doesn't know about equal and opposite reactions, nor does he know the difference between aluminum cladding and a steel column. For the life of me I can't figure out why I am unimpressed with credentials. Just can't put my finger on it.

He's an Architect, not a physicist. I'm not impressed with the school of hard knocks, if it doesn't teach you the difference.

 

[Animal]

Oh, well that settles it. I guess a jet wing CAN slice steel without being damaged in the process. Go figure.

Troofer tactic #9 - Put words in other peoples mouths <YAWN>

 

[Animal]

For the life of me I can't figure out why I am unimpressed with credentials. Just can't put my finger on it.

Because your head is clouded by a lot of brown woo.

 

[LSSBB]

Annnd now you're speaking for the rest of the world! I guess delusions of grandeur accompany all those credentials. Tell me what most of the world is thinking now.




More than a wimpy jet wing can muster, that's why MIT, Purdue, NIST, and R. Mackey didn't even bother modeling it.

But they DID model it. NIST even gave the formula to compute how much energy it takes to break the column. They even did the math too.

Let's say you do an FEA on the collision. That should show you what you need to know. Maybe you could make one to compete with the models already created. Show it to the KSM defence team.

Oh wait, you wanted to run a wing into a building section. How's that fund raising coming? Make sure you point your targets to this conversation, so they can read how successful your argument is. Good luck!

 

[Animal]

But they DID model it. NIST even gave the formula to compute how much energy it takes to break the column. They even did the math too.

Let's say you do an FEA on the collision. That should show you what you need to know. Maybe you could make one to compete with the models already created. Show it to the KSM defence team.

Oh wait, you wanted to run a wing into a building section. How's that fund raising coming? Make sure you point your targets to this conversation, so they can read how successful your argument is. Good luck!

The simple box column would be easy to figure bending forces for. (though I would have to pull out the design books for a refresher )

Others have already modeled the forces from the aircraft.

 

[Redwood]

But they DID model it. NIST even gave the formula to compute how much energy it takes to break the column. They even did the math too.

Let's say you do an FEA on the collision. That should show you what you need to know. Maybe you could make one to compete with the models already created. Show it to the KSM defence team.

Oh wait, you wanted to run a wing into a building section. How's that fund raising coming? Make sure you point your targets to this conversation, so they can read how successful your argument is. Good luck!

What makes you think Yankers knows what FEA is? He's from the School of Hard Knocks!

 

[LSSBB]

What makes you think Yankers knows what FEA is? He's from the School of Hard Knocks!

Google is his friend.

Not sure how Googling became hard knocks, but that's a whole 'nother discussion.

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by beachnut
There were 220 acres of office materials to burn in the debris pile. The heat energy of the office material would be equal to more heat energy than the heat of 15,000 TONS of thermite; is that enough heat for your fantasy claims on 911. Not counting the cars and stuff in the basement. Cars burn hot, but you don't do education stuff.

Where is the evidence of this burning office debris? I didn't see anything other than a cloud of dust. Why do you assume all 220 floors were fully occupied? Have you checked? I have and they weren't, so no, there were absolutely not 220acres of office materials. Some floors looked like this:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/office2.jpg[/qimg]

Nope, nothing flammable in that picture! This seems to be from before office computers were common. That mainly metal IBM Selectric was probably replaced by a computer. Lots of nice plastic to burn in computers and monitors. BTW, plastic burns with much more energy than does paper.

But some like this:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IBeams.jpg[/qimg]

And only if we take at face value what the authorities say - the same fellas who are telling us the ground was super-duper hot for a long time. But alas, even their "fully occupied towers" is a sham:

33 Firms Said To Be Operating in the South Tower of the World Trade Center Were Unknown to Dun & Bradstreet
http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/201...-in-south.html

Hey Steve, are you quoting yourself there? I notice that the first two firms on the list are Verizon and Union Bank of California. Are you claiming they don't exist? Amongst the others are Oppenheimer Funds, AT&T, Fuji Bank.... Are they fictional? Are they part of the Vast Conspiracy?

Still, there is this interesting post about why the fires could not get so hot.

Depending on the supply of oxygen, jet fuel burns by one of three chemical reactions:

(1) CnH2n+2 + (3n+1)/2 O2 => n CO2 + (n + 1) H2O

(2) CnH2n+2 + (2n+1)/2 O2 => n CO + (n + 1) H2O

(3) CnH2n+2 + (n+1)/2 O2 => n C + (n + 1) H2O

So again, can you tell me where you get your wild figures for the heat? NYPD, FDNY, or FEMA by any chance? Can we compare their models to the link above? Where do you get your figures?

Steve, based on the gaping holes in the building, I'm pretty sure the jet fuel and office materials had a pretty good supply of oxygen. Or were the holes maybe letting the oxygen escape? And isn't this supposed to be about the landfill-type fires in the rubble? Try to focus, Steve!

 

[Animal]

I challenge you to fine one eye witness who saw a jet enter a steel skyscraper.

Find.......lmao, I have talked to him.......another troofer woo failure.

What we're witnessing is the power of propaganda in action. People will become belligerent in defending their own indoctrination.

troofer projection at its finest.

But I digress.

So are we all agreed the fires weren't hot? If not, show me how it was possible.

No, only troofer deep in their own woo think fires are cool.
Another Google U. failure.

 

[yankee451]

What makes you think Yankers knows what FEA is? He's from the School of Hard Knocks!

Oh, see? There's that respect again.

Yeah, only you geniuses know what a finite element analysis is. You don't have to be an engineer to know how to hire one.

 

[yankee451]

From what university did you graduate, and when?

You're obviously not a structural engineer, nor an architect.

According to YOU, such things are unnecessary.

I'm neither but at least I could tell where the aluminum cladding ended and where the bent columns began. Seems his swinging creds were doing his thinking for him.