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The Deluge

David Henson said:
I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
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Ok heres a moral question. What did these giants do that was so bad? Gay sex? Murder? Orgies? Why drown the babies? Why drown the animals? This God of yours isn't very nice is he? In fact I personally would say this God of yours is truly horrible and his behaviour is worse than these bad old giants.

If things are so great in heaven why did the angels leave just to fornicate with human women? Couldn't this God not provide something in heaven as good or better than just plain ol sex? Why didn't this sweet ol God of yours not try to protect these same women? Gods supposed to love us isn't he?
 
David Henson said:
If you happen to see any let me know.

Psssttt! [whispers] You will have to transcend the boundaries of the skeptical arena.
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Why did you even ask this question? We present you with scientific evidence as to why the Noahs flood story is a fairy tale. You answer by using pseudoscience and blind faith. I think we're all wasting our time. You've asked us what we think of this story and we've told you. In the end you drop the bible on us despite our very logical scientific rebuttle.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Why did you even ask this question? We present you with scientific evidence as to why the Noahs flood story is a fairy tale. You answer by using pseudoscience and blind faith. I think we're all wasting our time. You've asked us what we think of this story and we've told you. In the end you drop the bible on us despite our very logical scientific rebuttle.
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Win.
 
Eeeeewww....

Stephen Jay Gould had a particularly funny passage in one of his books describing the headlong flight of all the critters from the Ark trying to get to their appropriate environmental niches before the humans found them again.... The Koala having a rather hard time of it.
 
Well many of them of course didn't since Noah and his family happily started to sacrifice many of the animals they had so-called saved. Obviously destroying 99.99999999% of all creatures on the land was not enough for God - he needed a few more.
 
Bikewer said:
Eeeeewww....

Stephen Jay Gould had a particularly funny passage in one of his books describing the headlong flight of all the critters from the Ark trying to get to their appropriate environmental niches before the humans found them again.... The Koala having a rather hard time of it.
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Yeah, can you imagine those poor little buggers, desperately looking for food, scrambling over the Khyber Pass with the Bengal tigers hot on their trail?

Speaking of which, was there a moratorium on predation until everything found its natural habitat? And did the eucalyptus trees grow at super speed so they had a habitat when the managed to island hop through Indonesia?

Edit: that got me thinking about all the flora. It surely must have died after 40 days of total submersion. Did Noah have a few barrells full of Glenn Beck seeds in the bottom of the arc?---

http://www.emergencyseedbank.com/beck-seed-bank.html

How did they manage to regrow all the vegitation?
 
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David Henson said:
The water came from a canopy of water vapor that surrounded the earth up until the flood. "For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water." - 2 Peter 3:5 (See Genesis 1:6-8)
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You are invoking magic. That much water vapor would block out the Sun and make plant growth before the flood impossible. Also, it would have precipitated the moment it was formed, not waited until god decided to cause flood. Physics makes this "canopy" impossible. If you claim it existed, you are claiming magic, and all your claims become meaningless.

I noticed you never answered how a wooden boat the size of Titanic did not fall apart and sink -- another physical impossibility. Nor how after waters receded how did carnivores did not wipe out all herbivores in short order. Etc.
 
Mark6 said:
You are invoking magic. That much water vapor would block out the Sun and make plant growth before the flood impossible. Also, it would have precipitated the moment it was formed, not waited until god decided to cause flood. Physics makes this "canopy" impossible. If you claim it existed, you are claiming magic, and all your claims become meaningless.

I noticed you never answered how a wooden boat the size of Titanic did not fall apart and sink -- another physical impossibility. Nor how after waters receded how did carnivores did not wipe out all herbivores in short order. Etc.
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It wasn't a boat - according to Genesis it was a rectangular wooden box, and yes magic was involved - the text says that ".... YHWH closed it for him". (The idea of it being a boat is a "modern" invention not at all supported by the Hebrew text.)
 
CurtC said:
If you're going to explain the sudden appearance and then the disappearance of huge quantities of water by simply saying "it was a miracle," then I don't see the evidence that a flood didn't happen as a big problem - it was magic, after all! The same magic that created and debigulated all that water then made a bunch of evidence that would indicate a flood never happened.
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I am used to arguing with AvalonXQ whose God can do mystical things like create water and make it disappear. However, the issue then becomes if God made a flood, then doesn't the lack of flood evidence in the history of tree rings, the history of the Antarctic ice sheet, the mitochondrial DNA, etc., etc. indicate that God is being deceptive. Most literalists find the thought of a deceptive God so antithetical to their beliefs that they then set out to discount or discredit the post flood evidence in some way. That why I believed that the questions I asked were more to the point.

I see I was wrong in adopting this approach with David Henson. Of course, I have now come to the conclusion that he is just playing or he is so closed minded that the thread is a waste of time.

I take it back, the thread does serve one purpose. It shows a major difference in the two sides (believers and unbelievers). No matter how much a poster on JREF disagrees with the scientific standpoint, his or her posts will never be deleted. Bringing up a scientific fact on the Rapture Ready Forum results in an immediate banning.
 
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Mark6 said:
You are invoking magic. That much water vapor would block out the Sun and make plant growth before the flood impossible. Also, it would have precipitated the moment it was formed, not waited until god decided to cause flood. Physics makes this "canopy" impossible. If you claim it existed, you are claiming magic, and all your claims become meaningless.

I noticed you never answered how a wooden boat the size of Titanic did not fall apart and sink -- another physical impossibility. Nor how after waters receded how did carnivores did not wipe out all herbivores in short order. Etc.
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maybe God had a tarp under the water vapor and pulled it aside when he wanted the water to fall???
 
I do personally believe that the first thing God did in creation was separate the duct tape from the darkness. But he soaked up the leftover deluge water into a turkey baster in honor of Christmas.
 
David Henson said:
The water came from a canopy of water vapor that surrounded the earth up until the flood. "For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water." - 2 Peter 3:5 (See Genesis 1:6-8)

Where did the water go? Nowhere, the earth is about 70% water. It is possible that the oceans were smaller and the mountains were lower. River channels reach far out under the ocean. There is ten times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Ice caps.
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Aaaand I think we're done here.
 
Slightly off-topic, but:

Any opinions on whether polar bears could survive on Antarctica?
I suppose it would be a risky experiment, but they do seem to be in trouble.
 
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