One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Ashles]

Kumar all you theories are boring and stupid.

Your refusal to read and understand anything is boring and stupid.

Your pretense that the world requires a theory to explain how homeopathy works, (in spite of the fact that it doesn't actualy work in the first place) is... yes, you guessed it, boring and stupid.

I hope you enjoy your troll hobby of constantly inventing new random theories about homeopathy in your head

And talking about how it might work, if it did actually work,

And asking other people to explain to you basic scientic concepts that you could learn yourself in no time if you could be bothered to do any research at all.

Well you did say I could "be free" in my responses.

 

[Kumar]

Mojo,

It can also be possible/probable that granite is more polished than marble stii less slippery. Granite takes polish for long as harder than morble. Just try, rub your foot or hand on similarly polished granite & marble tiles. See it you feel any difference. Do you get more friction on granite than marble? Are you denying other adhesion types as indicated in link which I mentioned previously?

 

[Kumar]

Thank you kumar for clarifying that. So now you're suggesting that remains of the crude substance in the final remedy exist and that therefor it works. I.e. substances have an effect on humans (not necessarily a beneficial effect but AN effect). So we agree on that then...good.

The rest of the homeopathic community will whip your a$$ for such heresy but that's another issue.

Maybe you would like to explain how eating arsenic can cure "arsenicpoison-like" symptoms in humans then?

Irrelavent. I am trying to check the molecular presence. If these are present, but how this small quantity can effect, is a secondary issue. Anyway, I have posted something about test in 'can homeopathy be paranormal' topic.

 

[wahrheit]

Mojo,

It can also be possible/probable that granite is more polished than marble stii less slippery. Granite takes polish for long as harder than morble. Just try, rub your foot or hand on similarly polished granite & marble tiles. See it you feel any difference. Do you get more friction on granite than marble? Are you denying other adhesion types as indicated in link which I mentioned previously?

Sorry for the interuption, but this sounds more like a cleaning ladies discussion to me.

 

[Mojo]

Mojo,

It can also be possible/probable that granite is more polished than marble stii less slippery. Granite takes polish for long as harder than morble. Just try, rub your foot or hand on similarly polished granite & marble tiles. See it you feel any difference. Do you get more friction on granite than marble? Are you denying other adhesion types as indicated in link which I mentioned previously?

The most important factor as far as the amount of friction generated is concerned (for dry surfaces) is the degree of smoothness/polish. The effects of any other conceivable differences between marble and granite will be trivial, if not nonexistant.

Question: is the inside of glassware used for preparation of homeopathic remedies polished and shiny or is it rough?

 

[Mojo]

Sorry for the interuption, but this sounds more like a cleaning ladies discussion to me.

Sorry, I missed this post while I was outside cleaning the step.

 

[Darat]

The most important factor as far as the amount of friction generated is concerned (for dry surfaces) is the degree of smoothness/polish. The effects of any other conceivable differences between marble and granite will be trivial, if not nonexistant.

Question: is the inside of glassware used for preparation of homeopathic remedies polished and shiny or is it rough?

No the most important factor is what flavour the granite is.

 

[wahrheit]

Sorry, I missed this post while I was outside cleaning the step.

Hope you didn't get me wrong, I wasn't talking about you.

 

[Jocce]

Irrelavent. I am trying to check the molecular presence. If these are present, but how this small quantity can effect, is a secondary issue.

Yes, we already agreed on that sloppy practice can leave stuff in there. Just jump ahead now to the explanation of the claimed effect it has.

 

[Rolfe]

Yes, we already agreed on that sloppy practice can leave stuff in there. Just jump ahead now to the explanation of the claimed effect it has.

Well, if we assume that sloppy practice is the only way any effect might occur, how come all the brands of remedy are supposed to "work"?

I mean, look around. All these homoeopathic "pharmacies" going on about how rigorous their preparation procedures are, their ISO-whatever certificates showing they use only the purest ingredients and fresh clean glassware every time. How come nobody is saying, hey, I'm not getting any effect here, and I only get the effect with some cheapo gear using the single-vial method and no quality control?

Rolfe.

 

[Ashles]

Well, if we assume that sloppy practice is the only way any effect might occur, how come all the brands of remedy are supposed to "work"?

I mean, look around. All these homoeopathic "pharmacies" going on about how rigorous their preparation procedures are, their ISO-whatever certificates showing they use only the purest ingredients and fresh clean glassware every time. How come nobody is saying, hey, I'm not getting any effect here, and I only get the effect with some cheapo gear using the single-vial method and no quality control?

Rolfe.

Very interesting question Rolfe. There appear to be so many different types of homeopathy, so many ways of delivering the 'medicine' that literally the only thing they all appear to have in common is that they are called homeopathy.

And I speak as someone who used to actually mix them at a holistic healing centre in the back room with tap water.

If all the homeopathic remedies have absolutely nothing in common except the name then it seems fairly obvious that any effect observed is nothing to do with the procedure (yes, I know we know that already).

It's another interesting way of looking at the silliness of the claims.

 

[delphi_ote]

No the most important factor is what flavour the granite is.

Mmm... chocolate granite!

 

[Mojo]

Hope you didn't get me wrong, I wasn't talking about you.

No offence taken (or indeed meant), it was just my lame attempt at humour...

 

[wahrheit]

No offence taken (or indeed meant), it was just my lame attempt at humour...

Thanks for letting me know. I assure you, it was rather my underdeveloped understanding of British humour that made me doubt how you meant it.

 

[Kumar]

Yes, we already agreed on that sloppy practice can leave stuff in there. Just jump ahead now to the explanation of the claimed effect it has.

Thanks, molecular presence is confirmed by you & also by you on behalf of others. OK?? Rest you find in science, how these molecules can effect. If unable, just take help/clues from my postings. Best luck.

 

[Donks]

Thanks, molecular presence is confirmed by you & also by you on behalf of others. OK?? Rest you find in science, how these molecules can effect. If unable, just take help/clues from my postings. Best luck.

Let me get this straight. Your theory of homeopathy is now something like this:
-Using trituration, you try to stick as much of the active substance as possible to the sides of the container.
-You do potentizations and succussions, which let a little beat of the active substance dilute into the remedy.

So, homeopathy works not because of succussion, potentization, trituration, energies, waves, levels, miasms, or any of that crap. It works because there's active substance in whichever potency you end up with. In fact, you don't even need to potentisize or succusse. Just add some of the active substance to some carrier, and voila! It works just like regular medicine. Is this OK?

Of course, it doesn't matter that noone can actualy show that: a) there's actually any active substance in higher potencies; or b) there's actually any effect beyond placebo from taking them. But those are little insignificant details. Let us now look for weaknesses in science to show how these randomly chosen active substances can, in infinitesimal quantities, do nothing at all. Best luck.

Best Wishes.

 

[Kumar]

-Using trituration, you try to stick as much of the active substance as possible to the sides of the container.
-You do potentizations and succussions, which let a little beat of the active substance dilute into the remedy.

So, homeopathy works not because of succussion, potentization, trituration, energies, waves, levels, miasms, or any of that crap. It works because there's active substance in whichever potency you end up with. In fact, you don't even need to potentisize or succusse. Just add some of the active substance to some carrier, and voila! It works just like regular medicine. Is this OK?

No, succussion, potentization, trituration, energies, waves, levels, miasms, or any of that crap can be possible with/by molecular presence.

Of course, it doesn't matter that noone can actualy show that: a) there's actually any active substance in higher potencies; or b) there's actually any effect beyond placebo from taking them. But those are little insignificant details. Let us now look for weaknesses in science to show how these randomly chosen active substances can, in infinitesimal quantities, do nothing at all. Best luck.

Since, I shown you & you agreed about molecular presence, alsi effects are noted in mass.....by homeopathic comunity, it is now your work to tell us science of these effects by few potentized molecules, carries molecules or contaminations. Uptill now you was not accepting molecular presence, but now job may be easier to you. Probably but mostly I do understand its science & also indicated in my so many postings, but since you don't want to learn/know/understand & insult/ make joke of your teachers in these aspect, pls find it yourself & tell. I am now a student/observer for the same.

Best Wishes.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Dear Administrator: Dr. MAS is on one week leave. I am his BHMS (Graded Course) student. He asked me to follow the thread in his abscence and inform him about the out come. When I informed him that randi posters are blaming that YOU (dr. mas) has gone then he allowed me to enter and inform the posters that "I am on one week educational tour. I will reply when I will return back."



Hans said "Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

NOTHING is paranormal in homeopathy. It just does not work. That is as un-paranormal as the fact that a car without an engine won't run."

Dear Sir,

You first claim that homeopathy is paranormal and it does not work. Dr. MAS offered you to prove this statement and win one million rupees. He is on educational tour. Wait for him.

Sheikh
for Dr. MAS

 

[Ceinwyn]

Hans said "Let’s start again: What is paranormal in homeopathy?

NOTHING is paranormal in homeopathy. It just does not work. That is as un-paranormal as the fact that a car without an engine won't run."

Dear Sir,

You first claim that homeopathy is paranormal and it does not work. Dr. MAS offered you to prove this statement and win one million rupees. He is on educational tour. Wait for him.

Sheikh
for Dr. MAS

Are you retarded?

He said "NOTHING IN HOMEOPATHY IS PARANORMAL. IT DOES NOT WORK."


So I have to ask: even translated, can you understand that statement?

 

[Donks]

No, succussion, potentization, trituration, energies, waves, levels, miasms, or any of that crap can be possible with/by molecular presence.

No.

Since, I shown you & you agreed about molecular presence, alsi effects are noted in mass.....by homeopathic comunity, it is now your work to tell us science of these effects by few potentized molecules, carries molecules or contaminations. Uptill now you was not accepting molecular presence, but now job may be easier to you. Probably but mostly I do understand its science & also indicated in my so many postings, but since you don't want to learn/know/understand & insult/ make joke of your teachers in these aspect, pls find it yourself & tell. I am now a student/observer for the same.

Best Wishes.

[Yoda]
Hmmmmm. Shifting the burden of proof you are. Work it will not.
[/Yoda]
You have not shown moleculat presence. You don't seem to understand what it would take for you to show molecular presence. It would require you doing an actual lab experiment.
It is not "our" work to tell of the science of effects of your latest "theory."
Regarding molecular precense, the only thing that I accept is that there is a possibility that there's a molecule in high potency remedies, only because it is assumed that there were molecules to begin with, and there is a statistical chance that not all will be taken out. It is a huge leap on your part to think that a lonely molecule would have an effect, and you need to provide evidence for this. So far, you have not. Also, you would need to provide evidence for the rest of the remedies, those unlucky enough not to have any molecules in them (which would be the majority), as to them working.
I don't mock my teachers. I mock imbeciles who think they are my teachers, while they know absolutetly nothing at all.

In short, you are still going at this all wrong. You insist on looking for how homeopathy works, BUT YOU STILL HAVE NOT SHOWN THAT HOMEOPATHY WORKS. UNTIL YOU DO, THESE THREADS REMAIN MASTURBATORY FANTASIES, AND WE WILL KEEP ON DEMANDING EVIDENCE, POINTING OUT YOUR ERRORS, OR MOCKING YOU DEPENDING ON OUR MOOD.