One Million Rupees Offer to prove "Homeopathy is Paranormal"

[Skepiroth]

Does it have an explanation based in the laws of nature?.... No

Regardless of this lack of explanation, do people claim that it has the power to affect their lives?...Yes

Does it?...No

I think that pretty much proves that it is paranormal, now give me my $3000.

 

[Psiload]

I once heard Art Bell mention something about homeopathy on his Coast to Coast radio show.

I'll take my million rupees in small, unmarked bills thankyouverymuch.

 

[Kumar]

Adhesion

Adhesion: Adhesion is the molecular attraction exerted between bodies in contact.

Contents
1 Mechanisms of Adhesion

1.1 Mechanical Adhesion
1.2 Chemical Adhesion
1.3 Dispersive Adhesion
1.4 Electrostatic Adhesion
1.5 Diffusive Adhesion

2 What Makes an Adhesive Bond Strong?

Wetting:Wetting is important in getting two different materials to adhere (stick) to eachother. The amount of wetting depends on the materials involved. Wetting depends on the surface energy of the materials.


Surface energy
Surface energy quantifies the disruption of chemical bonds that occurs when a surface is created. In the physics of solids, surfaces must be intrinsically less energetically favourable than the bulk of a material;

You may check if any of these these are Relevant or not to sticking of remedies molecules to botthle glass & if lactose, alcohol, & water have some hetrophilic adhering properties?

 

[Jocce]

Re: Adhesion

You may check if any of these these are Relevant or not to sticking of remedies molecules to botthle glass & if lactose, alcohol, & water have some hetrophilic adhering properties?

I don't really understand the fixation with the idea of stuff sticking to the side of the bottle. If you mix, succuss and then transfer 1/100 of the fluid into a new bottle/tube/whatever where 99 parts of fresh solution is added, all that could happen is that even less of what you were trying to solve in the first place would be transfered.

You're confusing kumar...what a surprise huh. Please clarify what scheme you are looking at.

1:
A - Solute is dissolved in water
B - 1/100 of the fluid is removed and transfered to a NEW container
C- Add 99 parts of water to that new container.

or

2.
A - Solute is dissolved in water
B - 99 parts of the fluid is removed and thrown away
C - 99 parts of fresh water is added to the original container

So what is it? 1 or 2? Use always the same container or change container in each step?

 

[Darat]

Re: Re: Adhesion

I don't really understand the fixation with the idea of stuff sticking to the side of the bottle.

...snip...

I do - it will end up being about silica again. (Think of what glass is commonly made from.)

 

[Kumar]

Jocce,

2.
"A - Solute is dissolved in water
B - 99 parts of the fluid is removed and thrown away
C - 99 parts of fresh water is added to the original container"

This is called K method which is more practical & in common use. Dr.Hahn. mostly used lower potencies made in different bottles, but lower potencies may contain some molecules in solution & so glass molecules may not be needed. I am considering this K method.

 

[Kumar]

Re: Re: Re: Adhesion

I do - it will end up being about silica again. (Think of what glass is commonly made from.)

Why you asked about spondilitis, previously.? Sorry just asking for curiosity sake.

 

[anor277]

@Kumar,

Why not perform your dilutions in plastic bottles (of which there are a wide range in scientific catalogues, none of which contain SiO2) and see if you get the same effect from glass bottles?

 

[Kumar]

@Kumar,

Why not perform your dilutions in plastic bottles (of which there are a wide range in scientific catalogues, none of which contain SiO2) and see if you get the same effect from glass bottles?

We may have to look into, what is/was in practice. What problem in checking molecules on glass surface & in every potency? Is it not possible to test in science? Why nowhere porosity/adhering properties ogf glass is mentioned--I could,'t get on internet search? Can you give some link?

Why stone(not marble)/granite tiles are less slippery?

"Colloidal silica is used in latex emulsions to improve the adhesion and surface properties of wood coatings."

"Natural ultramicronized calcium carbonate and mixtures of fumed silica + natural ultramicronized calcium carbonate are proposed as a filler for solvent-based polyurethane (PU) adhesives."

What do all these indicate?

 

[Jocce]

Thank you kumar for clarifying that. So now you're suggesting that remains of the crude substance in the final remedy exist and that therefor it works. I.e. substances have an effect on humans (not necessarily a beneficial effect but AN effect). So we agree on that then...good.

The rest of the homeopathic community will whip your a$$ for such heresy but that's another issue.

Maybe you would like to explain how eating arsenic can cure "arsenicpoison-like" symptoms in humans then?

 

[Mojo]

Why nowhere porosity/adhering properties ogf glass is mentioned--I could,'t get on internet search?

It's all part of the conspiracy.

 

[Mojo]

Why stone(not marble)/granite tiles are less slippery?

Less slippery than what?

 

[DrDave]

Ooh - If only my thesis was online, I could provide a link to the section about molecules interacting with glass surfaces, and make myself look like an important scientist

Basically I was 'interested' in the effect of the surface on oxidation reactions (e.g. surface catalysed destruction of free radicals). To do this I needed to 'coat' a glass surface with a variety of chemicals, and let me tell you it was extremely difficult to get any measurable coating with most chemicals I tried.

For example - KCl, wouldn't adhere to the glass on most attempts, when I managed to get a coating, it took a very concentrated solution of KCl being sloshed around the glass vessel, while heating to ~373 K, and under vacuum to help remove the water. To clean off the surface afterwards? Just add water!

The best interaction we got was with TMM (Trimethoxy methane, or methyl orthoformate), which actually bonds with Si-OH groups at the surface. To attain this we had to heat to >500K, with a high pressure of TMM in the vessel. To remove the TMM groups from the glass surface afterwards? Wash with acid or water!

So, I would strongly suspect that your molecules are unlikely to stick to the surface under the conditions you describe. Why don't you try and measure them to see if anything is happening?

Dave

 

[Zep]

Poor old Kumar... He has no idea, really!

Here's the thing: If molecules of the previous potency of the remedy stick to the glass and DON'T get thrown out, so do the molecules of water/alcohol they are mixed in. So the dilution continues exactly as we described, no matter which potentising method you wish to use (Hanhemann or "K").

Next silly excuse, please.

 

[Kumar]

To do this I needed to 'coat' a glass surface with a variety of chemicals, and let me tell you it was extremely difficult to get any measurable coating with most chemicals I tried.

DrDave, Thanks for telling the practical experiance. I am just suspecting/trying. What can be the measurable & non measurable coating? Have you considered raw remedies molecules mixed with water/alcohol/lactose & then shaken hard in bottle so got painted/adhered there, may be due to somewhat hetrophilic properties(not sure, I just read somewhere about carbohydrate have this property, but lost the link)? Can't hard shaking be meant to stick/remove some molecules? What about triturations(grinding by using mortar & pestle or some other modern equipments)?

Pls do clear all this dirt, guide accordingly & practically.

 

[Kumar]

Less slippery than what?

Marble.

 

[Mojo]

Marble.

What makes you think granite tile are less slippery than marble (assuming both materials have the same finish, i.e. are both polished to the same degree)?

 

[Kumar]

What makes you think granite tile are less slippery than marble (assuming both materials have the same finish, i.e. are both polished to the same degree)?

Practical experiance.

 

[wahrheit]

Practical experiance.

Where? In the Vatican Museums?

 

[Mojo]

Practical experiance.

OK, Kumar, here's a bit of practical experience, with a conclusion that can be drawn from it.

A building where my partner worked a few years ago had a polished marble floor in an area open to the sky. This meant that when it rained the marble became extremely slippery (apparently the architect had forgotten that it rains in London ). After several people slipped and fell on the polished marble tiling, a machine was brought in to grind away the top of the tiles and refinish them with a rough finish. The result of this was that the marble was no longer slippery.

Conclusion: the slipperyness was caused by the polished, shiny finish on the tiles, not the fact that they were made of marble.

Question: is the inside of glassware used for preparation of homeopathic remedies polished and shiny or is it rough?