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Nightline Debate: Does Satan Exist?

supercorgi said:
Kathy, sometimes I feel sorry for you because it seems that you can't think for yourself. But when you say things like this, I truly despise you. To just ascribe my suffering and my Dad's suffering as a spiritual battle is repugnant.

When I was a little girl, I used to pray to god to kill me in my sleep --he didn't respond. Why didn't a loving god take me pain away? Why didn't he take my suffering away? I attened church, I sang in the choir, I prayed for relatives that I didn't even know. I was just a little girl. I've struggled with this all my life. It wasn't until I got on the appropriate medication that I could think clearly.

Why didn't 't your loving god take my pain away (which modern medicine has relieved)? Why doesn't your god take your back pain away? Why doesn't he prevent earthquakes, , hurricanes that destroyed New Oleans, tidal waves which killed thousands of innocent people. Where is your god? Your god seems very inattentive. There is no god, this are no demons, there is no devil. Bad things happen, we can be compassionate by helping them to the best of our ability. People who say "I'll pray for you" are taking the easy way out. They don't do anything. What are you doing, besides coming here and bleathing your judgemental religion to us?

Go away, preach to someone else, because we find your version of Christianity repugnant. It's not loving, it's not accepting, and it not forgiving. Original sin is BS. No one should be held to blame for what our ancestors did. That is just BS. I pity you for thinking people are inherently evil, that the world is bad, and that you eagerly anticipate the end of the world and the suffering of so many people. Your religion and your view on mental illness is not just ignorant, it's repugnant. I'm not beset by demons, I'm not with struggle with Satan. My brain chemistry is messed up, and my upbringing reinforced it. I don't know it, but I guess that you're upbringing lead you to your acceptance of the unthinking type of religion.

I encourage you to join the real world and accept that world is billions of years old and amazingly wonderful. Look at life, look at animals, look at trees, they all beautifully adapted to their environment. It's amazing and it doesn't require god.
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SC, I understand all the why's I still ask plenty myself. But unless you can accept that we are born into a fallen world then you cannot ever get to a place of knowing. I do believe everyhting everyone suffers in this world is because of sin, and not necessarily your own because other people who sin agianst us can and does have an affect on others. As far as I can understand at this point it seems like God is just letting free will and sin run it's course? I believe also that God is hoping many will repent and be saved as this is said in scripture to be the perfect will of God that none shall persih.

Do you honestly think God is there just wanting everyone to suffer?
 
kurious_kathy said:
...unless you can accept that we are born into a fallen world then you cannot ever get to a place of knowing
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And HOW do you, kurious_kathy, accept that we are born into a fallen world?

You create an intricate fantasy world that so thoroughly obscures and distorts reality that you actually forget that the rest of us can't see, touch, taste, hear or smell your delusions...

kurious_kathy said:
Do you honestly think God is there just wanting everyone to suffer?
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No

Of course not

God is a myth, remember? You fashioned him in your own image from smoke and twisting, turning, infinitely looping mirrors
 
six7s said:
And HOW do you, kurious_kathy, accept that we are born into a fallen world?

You create an intricate fantasy world that so thoroughly obscures and distorts reality that you actually forget that the rest of us can't see, touch, taste, hear or smell your delusions...

No

Of course not

God is a myth, remember? You fashioned him in your own image from smoke and twisting, turning, infinitely looping mirrors
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I'd prefer to be seated in the non-smoking myth section please.
 
kurious_kathy said:
SC, I understand all the why's I still ask plenty myself. But unless you can accept that we are born into a fallen world then you cannot ever get to a place of knowing. I do believe everyhting everyone suffers in this world is because of sin, and not necessarily your own because other people who sin agianst us can and does have an affect on others. As far as I can understand at this point it seems like God is just letting free will and sin run it's course? I believe also that God is hoping many will repent and be saved as this is said in scripture to be the perfect will of God that none shall persih.

Do you honestly think God is there just wanting everyone to suffer?
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Your "god" doesn't exist and is just a figment of (dirty) humans imagination, made up in order to hide your inner wishes to see everybody cower in fear and loathing, just like you.
 
pgwenthold said:
If Satan exists, how would you distinguish him from God? I mean, I know if I were the ruler of hell and all that and was trying to get people sent to hell, the first thing I would do would be to convince everyone I was God so they would worship me.
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Actually, according to Revelations, Jesus Christ is the ruler of Hell, and oversees the eternal torture.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I do believe everyhting everyone suffers in this world is because of sin, and not necessarily your own because other people who sin agianst us can and does have an affect on others. As far as I can understand at this point it seems like God is just letting free will and sin run it's course? I believe also that God is hoping many will repent and be saved as this is said in scripture to be the perfect will of God that none shall persih.
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Childhood cancer is because of sin? Babies starving to death in famine-hit countries is because of sin? Pain and grief and loss and illness and death is because of sin? No. All those things are part of being human. Blaming them on a fairy tale and calling it sin will not ease one jot of someone's suffering. Learning about the world, using science to ease pain, cure illness and to feed the hungry, and using love and compassion (not the hate and fear which you demonstrate) to comfort the grieving, that's what makes a positive difference to the world.

Do you honestly think God is there just wanting everyone to suffer?
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No. But I think that you do. I think that you welcome other people's suffering, and I think that you believe that suffering is "good" as it will lead them into believing in the same god as you.

I feel desperately sorry for you. You are locked in an abusive relationship as surely as any battered spouse, but in your case, the abuser is your god, keeping you in fear and suffering and making you believe that he's doing it because he loves you.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Pity me for what? Knowing it's all the truth without a doubt in my mind?? Jesus is the only way to know God and most all the other stuff I use to believe he changed as now I have the turht of Gods word in me. If I believe Gods word then it really doesn't matter what the world thinks of me because I know him through his word.
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Okay, the obvious question is: How do you know this is the word of God? One would assume that might involve it being true, among other things. Leaving out the internal contradictions ofthe New Testament, historical inaccuracies found particularly in Acts and the often word-for-word quoting of miracle stories from the Septuagint; lets just deal with demons and Satan.

I am assuming that part of the truth you believe in is the description of spiritual warfare in Ephesians 6:10 - 16. Let us just consider verses 11 and 12 for a start:

Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So, do you believe that you are actually day-to-day locked in spiritual warfare with demons? Do you believe that the "world rulers of this present darkness" refers to actual national leaders of today, and, if so, which ones? Finally, if you do believe at least in the gist of the verses above, what is your evidence of spiritual warfare and demonic atttack? Hopefully, it's something better that the testemony of Nightline's brain-fried ex-hooker. (Actually, given her streaked, peroxided hair and rather sexy affect, I wonder how much "ex" she really is.)
 
Hi guys

Mr Satan is willing to provide a written and signed document stating that he exists. However he will not engage in any dialogues due to his very tight schedule

Ron T.
Hades & Hades CO
 
Niggle said:
No. YOU are WRONG!! Your sick version of faith nearly drove me to suicide. It was all I deserved as a worthless, sinful wretch, and a female one at that. Better that I remove myself from the world to atone for Eve's sin.

It was only after I turned my back on empty faith that I came to realize that I did, indeed, have something of value to add to this world. So I sought help in science and found medication and counseling that helped me accept myself the way I am and gave me the strength to improve what I could.

And now I am happy with life in general (my own is a little rough right now, but it's fixable). And I don't have to feel guilty about that any more. I've thrown off the suffocating yoke of your religion and am now free to do what I can to try to help others who are worse off than me. I don't HAVE to do anything. But I can. And easing another's suffering spreads more joy than all your empty bleating ever will.

So take your fear and cruelty and hatred somewhere else. Because that's all you're showing us, and we're not buying your lies. You lose.

Goodbye, and good riddance.
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Congratulations for you Niggle! I am so glad that you've been able to get help and see that the teachings of religions are often so harmful. My problems weren't due to religion (I was raised a Congregationalist in a pretty laid back church). But the health we can find by facing our problems realistically, getting help from other people, and using the tools that science has given us, can help tremendously.

I'm literally biting my lips to keep from responding to KK's drivel but I'm going to try my best to do as Ducky suggested. I'll respond to other people but not to her. She can go pound sand for all I'm concerned.
 
Satan a being that leads people astray.

Kurious_katy a being that leads people astray from reason.

Therefore Kurious_katy is Satan. ;)

Kurious_katy exists.
Therefore Satan exists. ;)

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Oh wait on second though, take that back....

Satan a being that leads people astray using reason.

Kurious_katy a being that leads people astray from reason.

Therefore Kurious_katy cannot be Satan.


Kurious_katy exists.
Since Kurious_katy is not Satan.
Therefore Satan does not exist.

Logic paid for by the logical reasoning of Fundy Christians.
 
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Third Eye Open said:
The devil is old news ever since the Vatican announced the discovery of the Super-Devil.
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kurious_kathy said:
SC, I understand all the why's I still ask plenty myself. But unless you can accept that we are born into a fallen world then you cannot ever get to a place of knowing. I do believe everyhting everyone suffers in this world is because of sin, and not necessarily your own because other people who sin agianst us can and does have an affect on others. As far as I can understand at this point it seems like God is just letting free will and sin run it's course? I believe also that God is hoping many will repent and be saved as this is said in scripture to be the perfect will of God that none shall persih.

Do you honestly think God is there just wanting everyone to suffer?
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Did you notice that? KK DOES ask herself questions.
 
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