[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

[Foolmewunz]

And while we're doing requests, and Craig's plugging his video sales in the lobby, how about a little payola and a not-so-subtle plug for the ultimate winner of this month's Teh Stundie Award....

Originally Posted by Craig Ranke CIT
It's circular logic to suggest that strong evidence proving there was a serious deception that took place during this operation of deception is null and void because of the physical evidence which the evidence that contradicts it proves is the deception the first place.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Lyte, can I get a conformation from you?

You really believe napalm was used in the pentagon?

And now, for something completly similar.

Fame is but a fruit tree
So very unsound.
It can never flourish
‘til its stock is in the ground
So men of fame
Can never find a way
‘til time has flown
Far from their dying day

Forgotten while you’re here
Remembered for a while
A much updated ruin
From a much outdated style

Life is but a memory
Happened long ago
Theatre full of sadness
For a long forgotten show
Seems so easy
Just to let it go on by
‘til you stop and wonder
Why you never wondered why

Safe in the womb
Of an everlasting night
You find the darkness can
Give the brightest light
Safe in your place deep in the earth
That’s when they’ll know what you were truly worth
Forgotten while you’re here
Remembered for a while
A much updated ruin
From a much outdated style

Fame is but a fruit tree
So very unsound
It can never flourish
‘til it’s stock is in the ground
So men of fame
Can never find a way
‘til time has flown
Far from their dying day

Fruit tree, fruit tree
No-one knows you but the rain and the air
Don’t you worry
They’ll stand and stare when you’re gone

Fruit tree, fruit tree
Open your eyes to another year
They’ll all know
That you were here when you’re gone

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

actually, the list of the first responders is decently known - and they collected a good deal of the evidence.

But.. what do I know, I'm just part of the IVC.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

And now, for something completely the same; A man with three buttocks.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

So five eyewitnesses got the plane's flight path wrong in their recollections, but the other one hundred eyewitnesses did not. Zero witnesses saw a plane zoom low over the Pentagon immediately before or after the impact.

All the physical evidence supports a plane impact, and no plausible story is provided as to how this evidence could have been faked under the circumstances.

So far the most economical explanation is that there was one plane and it hit the Pentagon. What am I missing, LT? Where is the preponderance of evidence something sneaky went on?

 

[Obviousman]

I can't believe you people are actually dignifying the nutter with responses. He has never shown the slightest interest in actual truth, manipulates and distorts it until it fits his own version of events, and is obsessed with the validity of his own theory regardless of how many people have pointed out how it has no basis in reality.

Don't waste your time with him; talk to people who are at least capable of learning.

 

[T.A.M.]

over 3 months now Lyte....any word on the impending arrests of Bush, Cheney, etc...from your authorities you presented the evidence to?

Oh, and feel free to blast me here about my "poor" research skills, as we all know you are in cohorts with little robbie and his flying men from outerspace.

TAM

 

[chillzero]

Lyte Trip, you have several threads already discussing your 'fly-over' theory. This thread is not being merged, because you have opened with a request about evidence. You have since derailed the thread into the same debate as before.
The OP made a request, and a response to that should be waited for.
Do not discuss the pentacon film, or the fly-over theory any further on this thread - take to the existing discussions.
This thread is for discussion of Gravy's papers.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[jhunter1163]

Lyte:

Gravy's work is factual, accurate and thorough. It examines the so-called "unanswered questions" and gives logical, factual and sensible answers. Anyone reading his paper with an unbiased mind, or even with a slight-to-moderate CTist slant, would be compelled to conclude that the official version of the events of that day is essentially correct.

Now, is the official account correct in every detail? No. It's totally unrealistic to expect that it would be, given the confusion of the day, the amount of evidence to be collected, compiled and analyzed, and the number of eyewitnesses to be interviewed and their differing accounts of the tragedy. Any history of 9/11 is going to contain errors; such a chaotic event can't be wrapped up in a tidy little package. All we can do is to create an account that is verifiably correct in the broad outlines, and fill in the paint-by-numbers details of eyewitness accounts and forensic data as best we can. In doing this, we'll inevitably go outside the lines once or twice. Does that make the account wrong? No. A little untidiness is to be expected; in fact, complete tidiness would (at least to me) be much more suspicious that what we have.

If Gravy is our leader, he's earned the mantle by his untiring efforts to spread the facts regarding 9/11 and his unstinting dedication to fighting woo everywhere, and I salute him for it. I salute R. Mackey, MarkyX, Brainster, Ref, Beachnut, Anti-Sophist, Arkan, Dr. Greening, and all the others who are committed to the real truth and whose tireless efforts make the JREF the bane of Twoofers everywhere. Congratulations to you all. You are the very best of us.

And to Lyte, I wish you well; I hope you find the truth you so desperately seek. As a hint, it's not on the north side of the Citgo.

 

[WildCat]

You mean mistaken?Those sure are some

~snip~

detailed reports to be "mistaken" about!

So now the fact that planes were spotted next door to a major airport is proof of your flyover?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

After an extensive examination of the evidence, I'm now convinced that an elaborate "illusion" was staged at the Pentagon on 9/11. The terrorists used misdirection to make it appear as if the plane flew north of the Citgo station, performed a physically impossible maneuver, and then overflew the Pentagon concealed by a pyrotechnic bomb. When actually, it crashed into the Pentagon and exploded. The plan was to prevent anyone from noticing the crash until the fire had spread irrevocably throughout the whole building.

But the attempted illusion didn't work very well. Almost no one was fooled.

The question is how this clever plan could have almost completely failed to fool anyone? I mean, we know how they goofed -- hitting the light poles, being seen by all those witnesses crashing into the building, etc. -- but why? Such a failure contradicts the findings of a careful study of novels, movies and television shows, which clearly demonstrates that that people who can do magic tricks, always get away with stuff. Watch The Illusionist. Watch any episode of the Bill Bixby TV series The Magician. Watch any Cruise-free episode of Mission Impossible. Stage magic, when applied to unplanned uncontrolled real-world problems and situations, never fails.

So then, how could the terrorists have failed to fool so many people (certain present company excepted) into believing the plane flew north of the Citgo and then flew over the Pentagon? I think the answer lies in the possibility that Arabs can't do stage magic the same way white guys can't break dance. Something happened between the time of Aladdin (who was Chinese anyhow) and today; the Arabs lost their stage magic mojo. Have you ever seen "The Great Achmed" or "The Amazing Omar" saw a woman in half live on stage? Okay, maybe you have, but have you ever seen him put her back together again? (Remember, without that part, it might not be magic!)

Just to double-check my research, I did a search on "The Amazing Omar" and found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntX5HTehPfg. I rest my case.

Respectfully,
Myriad

I think you missed a smiley or two. I'll add an almost sufficient number for you.

 

[calebprime]

Yeah, that was yet another brilliant Myriad post.

Also, CR's recipe for five-alarm chilli.

Recipe for peanut butter sandwich:

1. Acquire this number of slices of bread: Not 1. One is right off. 3 is too many. Acquire 2 slices, and the number of slices is 2.

2. Slather with liberal doses of peanut butter. If a Republican, slather with conservative doses.

3. Slather, eat, repeat.

 

[T.A.M.]

I doubt Lyte will be back to answer in the near future. It is the weekend, so he is probably out doing more REAL research (camcorder + harrassing complete strangers), unlike you dweebs with your facts and eye witness accounts taken from REAL JOURNALISTS.

TAM

 

[mortimer]

I wonder if Penn & Teller know that a video of theirs is being used on the front page of Lyte Trip's little pentacon site. I wonder if someone here who knows how to contact them might let them know...

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I doubt Lyte will be back to answer in the near future. It is the weekend, so he is probably out doing more REAL research (camcorder + harrassing complete strangers), unlike you dweebs with your facts and eye witness accounts taken from REAL JOURNALISTS.

TAM

I thought I heard the sound of someone blowing bubbles into a container of water. blub blub blub blub. And people talking while holding their breath.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte Trip, you have several threads already discussing your 'fly-over' theory. This thread is not being merged, because you have opened with a request about evidence. You have since derailed the thread into the same debate as before.
The OP made a request, and a response to that should be waited for.
Do not discuss the pentacon film, or the fly-over theory any further on this thread - take to the existing discussions.
This thread is for discussion of Gravy's papers.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

For accuracy sake; I do not believe I have started a single thread specifically for the purpose of discussing the "fly-over" theory.

However I 100% appreciate and share your desire that this thread stays on topic and I thank you for not merging it.

Unfortunately if you read through the responses you will see that not a single member here has chosen to respond directly to the OP and I was merely responding to them.

If Gravy is unwilling to answer my questions or back up his blog with evidence I would hope that others who wish to respond in this thread would help him out by staying on topic.

My intention with this thread is SOLELY to challenge the accuracy of what I know to be factually incorrect claims that Gravy has published.

For those that have forgotten.....Gravy is 100% incorrect in his claim that there are 105 previously published witness accounts of people who "saw the plane hit the Pentagon."

He does not even attempt to back up this spurious claim with any evidence so I am publicly challenging him to do so here.

 

[Pardalis]

He does not even attempt to back up this spurious claim with any evidence so I am publicly challenging him to do so here.

Craig, you didn't tell me you were a comedian!

 

[Lyte Trip]

Craig, you didn't tell me you were a comedian!

Please show me the evidence.

 

[Pardalis]

Please show me the evidence.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

 

[bje]

Too bad Lyte Trip won't follow his own advice.

Sarcasm is not "respectful".

I expect better from you Myriad.

The main problem with your logic is that you are assuming the mainstream published accounts are 100% complete and 100% accurate while at the same time dismissing the fact that they only represent a portion of the total witness pool.

Plus you accept them out of hand without a shred of evidence to confirm or deny their accounts or verify the accuracy with how they were reported.

This is not remotely scientific or objective.

You should be ashamed of yourself and your colleagues for pushing such dodgy claims.

When we called you on this last time, Lyte Trip, you admitted that you had not interviewed any of the hundreds of rescue workers who recovered the bodies and wreckage inside the Pentagon.

You promised to interview them and post their accounts here.

So, Lyte Trip, where are your interviews with them? What did they tell you?