[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

[Jonnyclueless]

But it's not about Gravy. All he has done (though I don't demean it in any way) is collect together the readily available testimony and actually make it digestible to the masses. Mark shows a commitment to assisting the knowledge of others far exceeding what dept. Shill101 of the NWO pays him. Personally I think he gets some kind of sexual pleasure from it, but can't say more since Big Owls directive forbidding sexual pleasure after that unfortunate incident involving a certain debunker and the purple sheep.

But if you are suggesting that if Lyte can wrong foot Gravy and then we'll all fall into line with the 'truthers' then you're very much mistaken. Now, if qarnos was to become a 'truther' I might pay attention, if only because I always read that name as 'garnos'.

You seem to have misunderstood my post, but I am not sure where. Perhaps in the divide and conquer technique statement I was making about Lyte. Maybe I made it sound like I was referring to Gravy. But I coulda sworn I stated that Gravy looks at all the evidence. Who knows..

 

[bje]

I will leave you now...

That's the 4th or 5th time you've skipped out on us when asked for your evidence, Lyte Trip.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Yes...."trivial examination" is correct!

You owe me responses at LC so I wonder why you would be so quick to post such a lame response to me here.

Of these alleged "witnesses" only the "unnamed Navy Admiral" and Wanda Ramey are reported as specifically saying that they literally "saw" the light poles get clipped.

The anonymous guy doesn't count so that leaves one.

Wanda Ramey's account remains unconfirmed despite our efforts to reach this supposed Pentagon Police officer.

The fact that you cite Lee Evey as a witness is laughable and completely indicative of the lack of research any of you do.

He was the Pentagon renovation manager and not a witness to the event at all!

http://www.state.gov/cms_images/evey09021.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0110/pentagon.rebuilds/2.frame.jpg
http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/fortress3.jpg

DS Khavikin reports a "small commercial aircraft" and was located further back on Columbia Pike than Edward Paik!

She did not and could not physically see any light poles.

But never forget that Brooks, McGraw, Sucherman, and Walter ALL personally told us that they did NOT see the light poles get hit so you can cross them all off.

You people are not confirming these reports and therefore NOT doing any true research.

You are simply cutting and pasting lies.

Oops. And I missed Tom Hovis too didn't I?

I apologize.

He was 8 miles from the Pentagon. In his office. In his blog account he even says "according to eyewitnesses" and refers to his son who drove by after on 395.

Oddly, your Anti-Sophist posted Tom Hovis and Lee Evey as genuine witnesses too. You would have thought this would have been researched by now.

 

[Lyte Trip]

That's the 4th or 5th time you've skipped out on us when asked for your evidence, Lyte Trip.

The plane was on the North side of the gas station. We have proven that.

 

[uk_dave]

You seem to have misunderstood my post, but I am not sure where. Perhaps in the divide and conquer technique statement I was making about Lyte. Maybe I made it sound like I was referring to Gravy. But I coulda sworn I stated that Gravy looks at all the evidence. Who knows..

Hey Lyte has left, and you're here and... well... you know, the blood was up and ...

No offence intended.

Lyte, where's the researchers edition?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte, where's the researchers edition?

It's coming. And it's going to be good.

 

[MolBasser]

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[DGM]

The plane was on the North side of the gas station. We have proven that.

CNN is waiting for your irrefutable evidence. We have even offered to submit it on your behalf. Let's go humanity is waiting on YOU.

 

[Arus808]

guys, stop pandering to him. just ask for his evidence and dont comment on his comments. just take note of his evasion and reask the question. you're dealing with another christophera.


Lyte, please provide your evidence.


PHYSICAL evidence. we can argue all day what a witness testimony means, but since you're unwilling to contact them - despite your lies that you have stated that you have), we will throw them out at this point


so, from ehre on out, you must provide physical evidence of your claims .

1) please provide evidence that someone planted the light poles

2) please provide evidence the DNA samples taken and tested were faked

3) please provide evidence that there was a bomb/missile that actually exploded and damaged the pentagon

4) please provide evidence that there was indeed a fly-over


no witness statements. we are now goign to deal with the physical evidence that support your claims.


I also ask that everyone else in this thread just stick to the physical evidence, because we know that Lyte will ignore theire testimony (as he has done with his own 4 witnesses).

 

[Lyte Trip]

Arus, stay on topic. You heard the Moderator.

We are discussing Gravy's incomplete, incorrect seemingly deceptive and misleading witness list.

 

[Pardalis]

We are discussing Gravy's incomplete

Perhaps.

incorrect

Nope.

seeminginly deceptive

Nope.

and misleading witness list.

Nope.

 

[William Rea]

...snip...You heard the Moderator...snip...

ROFLOL. I don't have that dog laughing graphic so beloved of JREFers but if I did I couldn't think of a better time to use it.

Sorry Lyte, I'm not laughing at you, just the naivity of that statement in context.

 

[uk_dave]

It's coming. And it's going to be good.

ROTFLMFAO

Oh..Lyte, you should have ignored my question.
After so long? So many promises? The 'hot' hollywood babe voiceover....
too funny
But thanks for the laugh.

 

[bje]

The plane was on the North side of the gas station. We have proven that.

You need to address this, Lyte Trip:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2788795&postcount=150

 

[bje]

Lyte Trip, we remember when you refused to answer this question from Gravy in April:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2495565&postcount=56

It's still on the table. Now is a good time to answer it.

 

[pomeroo]

Huh?

I am perfectly lucid and 100% confident about all details that we claim.

No, actually you're a complete fraud. Your bogus "evidence' has made you a laughingstock everywhere except the tiny blogs that cater to credulous morons.

My girl wasn't in the mood to go out tonight so I got in the mood to deal with you guys in between a radio interview I had scheduled.

No doubt Gravy will cower from the challenges to his integrity and honesty in this thread and order you all to ignore it so it gets buried allowing him to slither away without explaining himself.

You certainly cower and flee from the challenge of presenting your "proof" to real reporters.

It's too bad you guys are so subservient to his every wish at the peril of all logic and truth.

Very funny--a conspiracy liar talking about logic and truth. Did you forget that you hate logic and truth?

This place is like a cult and Gravy is the high priest.

Now, now--just because we've correctly identified you as a fool and a charlatan, there's no reason to get testy.

Persuade a real reporter that you've got something and our attitude will change. That's a promise!

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte Trip, we remember when you refused to answer this question from Gravy in April:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2495565&postcount=56

It's still on the table. Now is a good time to answer it.

I will address everything except his "witness list" which he has to explain for here.

Gravy is using an appeal to emotion tactic, rather than sound investigative reasoning.

Hal Bidlack does not shed any new light on the matter and was fooled. I have explained that.

So what did Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams say when you informed him that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? Oh, that's right, you're not man enough to speak to him.

Please by all means provide us with his contact information and we will gladly speak with him. Mark Williams is a pretty common name. A lot like "Mark Roberts". It would be like finding a needle in a haystack. But we have spoke with people on the inside who have claim to have seen passengers or hearing of stories of a stewardess in a jump seat still. All stories, unconfirmed urban legend as far as we're concerned. As some could be mistaken by people in office seats.

We have already considered the possibilty that they could have and unfortunately more than likely would have rolled in a couple of rows of passenger seats with cadavers in them in there waiting to be destroyed in the ensuing explosion.

This easily could have been accomplished during the "renovation" that was going on, that left areas unoccupied.

Was Mark Williams on the outside when the plane flew by? Is he a witness to what the plane did? Does he directly place the plane on the south side of the Citgo?

What does that have to do with happened on the outside of the Pentagon?

Lyte Trip, what did Air Force

Chief Master Sergeant John Monaccio say when you informed him that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? Oh, that's right, you're not man enough to speak to him.

John Monaccio was fooled as well. We would love to see the video footage he is speaking of. Keep in mind this account is from Geoff Metcalf's site. Geoff Metcalf being a former green beret who hosts the photos of the cab & pole that help establish the official flight path.

Was John Monaccio on the outside when the plane flew by? Is he a witness to what the plane did? Does he directly place the plane on the south side of the Citgo?

What does that have to do with happened on the outside of the Pentagon?

Lyte Trip, what did Mickey Bell, Sean Boger, Omar Campo, Michael DiPaula, Frank Probst, and Jack Singleton say when you spoke to them? All of them saw flight 77 approach and came within feet of being struck as it roared across the Pentagon lawn.

-Mickey Bell, didn't see anything. He dove out of the way. He won't speak about it. In fact, his account is given by his boss, second hand. Or otherwise known as HEARSAY. Does he state that the plane came on the South sid eof the Citgo, have you spoke with him and confirmed it?

-Sean Boger was in the Heliport tower. He said the plane headed straight for him. THAT WOULD BE THE NORTH SIDE FLIGHT PATH. He dropped to ground/ducked. He deduced the plane hit the building. Does he state that the plane came on the South sid eof the Citgo, have you spoke with him and confirmed it?

-We tried finding annd contacting Omar Campo, no luck. He described the plane as white and blue on the bottom. A United States plane. He deduced the impact. Does he state that the plane came on the South sid eof the Citgo, have you spoke with him and confirmed it?

-Michael DiPaula is Pentagon "Renovation" "worker". He describes ONLY hearing what he thought was a "missile". A "renovation" operative responsible for planting explosives or staging the "impact zone" would also be helpful in spreading disinfo about a missile. Would he not? Does he state that the plane came on the South sid eof the Citgo, have you spoke with him and confirmed it?

-We have spoke with Frank Probst (gasp). He maintains his absurd account and even vaguely asserts the official flight path. There is no way he dove out of the way 6 ft from the engine and saw the right engine go through the fence and generator trailer. Do you have proof he was there on the sidewalk?

-tsk tsk. Again with the incomplete research. Jack Singleton is NOT a witness. He is Mickey Bell's boss, the owner of Singleton Electric. He was not there, only relays Mickey Bell's story second hand.

What did Frank Probst say when you informed him that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? Oh, that's right, you're not man enough to speak to him.

Oh that's right. You're wrong. We're man enough to talk to Lagasse and Brooks. Are you man enough to tell them they are wrong? Are you man enough to get them retract their statements?

What did firefighter Alan Wallace say when you informed him that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon? Oh, that's right, you're not man enough to speak to him.

Oh we would love to speak with Al Wallace. In fact we plan on it. We have spoke with other firefighters, have you heard about that? Have you spoke with him? Are you man enough to ask him about this?

"So many people think Mark and I watched the plane hit the building. We did NOT.

We only saw it approach for an instant. I would estimate not longer than half a second. Others didn’t understand why we didn’t hear it sooner. We did not hear it until right after we saw it. I estimate that the plane hit the building only 1½-2 seconds after we saw it. What I am saying is, immediately after we saw it, we heard the noise; the engines, I’m sure. I described that as a terrible noise – loud, scary, and horrible. At the time we saw the plane I said, “LET’S GO!” and Mark and I ran away from the area. I turned and ran to my right, going north. (I do not remember which way Mark went, since I did not see him until I crawled out from under the Ford Van.)"

These people lived through a nightmarish reality, yet you're the one who's hiding under the covers. While you're under there, maybe you can spend some time thinking about all the people who have terrifying nightmares because they lived these events.

Real people, in the real world, Lyte. If they can carry on as adults, so can you. Please stop this madness and regain your dignity.

Appeal to emotion.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

D...Do you have a job Lyte?

 

[pomeroo]

I will address everything except his "witness list" which he has to explain for here.

Gravy is using an appeal to emotion tactic, rather than sound investigative reasoning.

Mark relies on real evidence. You are a fraud who fabricates nonsense and ignores inconvenient evidence.

Hal Bidlack does not shed any new light on the matter and was fooled. I have explained that.

"Fooled"? How was he fooled

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?

Bidlack smelled the stench of charred flesh. He SAW the bodies

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!

Appeal to emotion.

Yes, you

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liars arouse intense emotions.

Redacted insults. Pomeroo, immediately cease these personal attacks or stronger administrative action may be taken.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

 

[Lyte Trip]

Pompouseroo,

I will continue to ignore you and report you as long as you keep attacking me and carrying on with these emotional outbursts. Get a hold of yourself and debate the information rationally.

Lyte Trip, use all forum member's handles properly. Further misspellings of this type will be considered an intentional effort on your part to invoke an uncivil reaction from the people you are debating, and will be treated as an uncivil act on your part.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer