[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

Jonnyclueless said:
That's it Lyte, keep putting on the show. keep it up so no one sees that your entire theory is based on conjecture that you cannot back up. Keep jumping from one foot to the other and maybe no one will see that you are even more wrong than the person you are attacking. You question whether his witnesses literally saw something when you don't even have witnesses to back up your claims.
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If you can call what we have done "conjecture" then you have simply demonstrated that you do not know what real research is.

This does not surprise me when the high priest of your cult is someone who puts out info as dodgy as what Gravy has published.
 
Pardalis said:
Mitaken.
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You mean mistaken?

Joel Sucherman:
-Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"..."another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit.




Kelly Knowles:
-...she saw a second plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* a hijacked jet plunged into the five-sided military fortress...some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "Thank God somebody else saw that. There was most definitely a second plane, " Knowles said. "It's so frustrating because nobody knows about the second plane, or if they do they're hiding it for some reason." (Kelly sounds like a great actress) Pentagon official said late Friday no other plane was flying with the jetliner. But he said it was possible a military plane was in the area at the time of the attack. (that would sure fool a lot of people who saw a jet fly away)



Keith Wheelhouse:
-He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon....As the hijacked jet started its descent, "it's like it stepped on its gas pedal, " Wheelhouse said. "As soon as he did that, the second plane banked off to the west." A possible explanation for the second plane could be a plane landing at nearby Ronald Reagan National Airport . The Pentagon is between the cemetery and the airport... (He) said it's possible the second plane was a military plane, but the military has not said it had a plane shadowing the hijacked jet."

Those sure are some detailed reports to be "mistaken" about!
:)
 
SO real research is using the weakest form of evidence to simply make up anything you want? So real research is questioning the detail of someone elses eyewitness testimony while making claims that are not backed up by any testimony what so ever?

Yeah, I get it now. The problem you are going to run into is that your idea of research has nothing to do with research done by the rest of the world. Perhaps this is why the rest of the world does not take your findings seriously. That is, the few who actually know of it's existence.


Real scientific method is not based solely on speculation and conjecture. Especially not when it's based on odds that no one in their right mind would take. Your who diabolical plan relies on a slim chance it could even be pulled off without someone knowing.

And again, calling Gravy's info dodging while touting pure imagination. And your whole gimmick is based on assuming that Gravy doesn't have the time or resources to go talk to the people. That's all you're doing is preying o that fact.

Back to your "real research"...
 
boloboffin said:
This is great -- he must have me on ignore. One more feather in my cap!

So here's my point. He has witnesses on his list of people who saw a flyover who actually saw two planes. They are not people who were handled with a story - they are the ones who "came up with the story." They saw two planes, and one of those planes hit the Pentagon. That plane did not fly over -- it hit.

Ye gods.
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I am being 100% clear but you are failing to get it.

Do you believe the 2nd plane witnesses or not?
 
Lyte Trip said:
You mean mistaken?

Joel Sucherman:
-Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"..."another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit.




Kelly Knowles:
-...she saw a second plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* a hijacked jet plunged into the five-sided military fortress...some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "Thank God somebody else saw that. There was most definitely a second plane, " Knowles said. "It's so frustrating because nobody knows about the second plane, or if they do they're hiding it for some reason." (Kelly sounds like a great actress) Pentagon official said late Friday no other plane was flying with the jetliner. But he said it was possible a military plane was in the area at the time of the attack. (that would sure fool a lot of people who saw a jet fly away)



Keith Wheelhouse:
-He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon....As the hijacked jet started its descent, "it's like it stepped on its gas pedal, " Wheelhouse said. "As soon as he did that, the second plane banked off to the west." A possible explanation for the second plane could be a plane landing at nearby Ronald Reagan National Airport . The Pentagon is between the cemetery and the airport... (He) said it's possible the second plane was a military plane, but the military has not said it had a plane shadowing the hijacked jet."

Those sure are some detailed reports to be "mistaken" about!
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So these guys are the planted stories or actual witnesses confused by the planted stories? If they're confused, who did the actual planting?
 
Everyone knows there was a 2nd plane. That was never in question.

And so now I guess we're claiming that 2 planes flew over the Pentagon.
 
Pardalis said:
I don't give a f*** about the second plane.
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I see.

So you are so unconcerned about the evidence that you are compelled enough to spout expletives about it late at night on a Friday.

Got it.
 
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Jonnyclueless said:
I think the Pentagon sliding under the plane is probably more likely than the magical fly-over.
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Sure, with tectonic plates, and I'm certain we can find a few witnesses who felt a rumbling...

Hey, I think we're onto somethin'!

To the Pentagon!
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Everyone knows there was a 2nd plane. That was never in question.

And so now I guess we're claiming that 2 planes flew over the Pentagon.
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Now that you have established that "everyone" knows about a plane that flew over the Pentagon we don't have to doubt this assertion any longer.

Thanks for your understanding and very insightful contribution to this discussion!

And I really mean that in all honesty without a shred of sarcasm.
 
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