[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

[ConspiRaider]

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1. Secure large rooster, insert into filled henhouse. Wait 12 minutes.

2. Inject lethal chicken pox into a hen who swooned over very manly rooster antics.

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6. Slice brick into bouillon-cube-sized squares, place on wax paper. Wait 12 minutes to cool. Enjoy.

 

[Lyte Trip]

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

The 9/11 Commission report most certainly does not cite 105 witnesses who "saw the plane hit the Pentagon."

 

[Lyte Trip]

When we called you on this last time, Lyte Trip, you admitted that you had not interviewed any of the hundreds of rescue workers who recovered the bodies and wreckage inside the Pentagon.

You promised to interview them and post their accounts here.

So, Lyte Trip, where are your interviews with them? What did they tell you?

I don't recall making such a statement.

Please quote me.

But we have interviewed first responders including a fire captain who was all throughout the building, has been on many plane crash sites throughout his career, and did not believe for a second that a plane hit the Pentagon.

We also had a long dialog with a current Pentagon officer who helped April Gallop and others escape out of the alleged left wing damage hole.

As a current officer he wasn't willing to go on record with an opinion about what happened but after viewing our documentary he sent us a handwritten note on patriotic stationery thanking us, encouraging us, and stating that our "hard work will pay off in the end".

 

[Lyte Trip]

Anyway....

chillzero made a specific request that this thread stay on topic.

Please stop trying to derail the discussion.

I will leave you now and hopefully when I return Gravy will have decided to back up his claims with evidence or some of you will chip and and give the chap a hand.

105 separate accounts each with their own dedicated post please.

 

[Alt+F4]

...but after viewing our documentary he sent us a handwritten note on patriotic stationery thanking us, encouraging us, and stating that our "hard work will pay off in the end".

Well it's been about five months that your steaming pile has been available for free viewing so how has it paid off for you? Where's the grand jury, the subpoenas, the special prosecutor, the new investigation?

Admit it Lyte, no one outside the "truther" community is buying one word of your crap. What I can't understand is why you continue to post on this forum, where you are debunked over and over again.

 

[uk_dave]

105 separate accounts each with their own dedicated post please.

Why?

OK tell you what, on behalf of mankind I will concede here and now that we can't be bothered to provide those accounts.

What now?

It seems our lives carry on as usual. Does yours?

 

[Pardalis]

Craig, do you need to interview the Shoah survivors in order to believe it happened?

The witnesses of the Pentagon strike are on record.

 

[Pardalis]

Admit it Lyte, no one outside the "truther" community is buying one word of your crap.

And most people in the truther community don't buy it as well.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Why?

OK tell you what, on behalf of mankind I will concede here and now that we can't be bothered to provide those accounts.

What now?

It seems our lives carry on as usual. Does yours?

Absolutely it will!

It will carry on with the confirmed knowledge that Gravy and his fellow jref colleagues refuse to be "bothered" with such things as backing up their claims with evidence.

Thanks for clarifying your position. Now that I know how you feel I'll wait to see if Gravy and the rest of the members here choose to follow suit.

 

[bje]

How long can Lyte trip avoid material witnesses?

I don't recall making such a statement.

No?

Please quote me.

There are hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel who were there soon after the incident and spent weeks recovering wreckage and bodies. They walked through, picked trough, dug through, all that wreckage. How is it possible, Lyte Trip, that none of these people could not be material witnesses? How could none of these people NOT be the most important members of your witness pool?

But we have interviewed first responders including a fire captain who was all throughout the building, has been on many plane crash sites throughout his career, and did not believe for a second that a plane hit the Pentagon.

We also had a long dialog with a current Pentagon officer who helped April Gallop and others escape out of the alleged left wing damage hole.

So, what wreckage did they see if they were able to confirm it was NOT aircraft wreckage? Obviously, they HAD to have seen wreckage of some sort if they are able to say it was not aircraft wreckage.


So, Lyte Trip, what wreckage DID they see and what did the other hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel see, material witnesses who were the ones recovering the wreckage?

As a current officer he wasn't willing to go on record with an opinion about what happened but after viewing our documentary he sent us a handwritten note on patriotic stationery thanking us, encouraging us, and stating that our "hard work will pay off in the end".

So out of hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel who are the most important material witnesses at the Pentagon you have interviewed only two, one who claims to have seen wreckage that is not from an aircraft, but won't tell you what wreckage he DID see, and one who won't say anything at all.


So Lyte Trip, when are you going to provide the written statements from the other hundreds of rescue and recovery personnel as to what wreckage they recovered from the Pentagon???

 

[uk_dave]

Lyte, you just don't get it.

YOU have to convince US, not the other way around.

If you could convince us of the 'truth' of your beliefs, our lives would change. But if you fail to convince us, your life will change.

If we do or don't change your beliefs it makes not one jot of difference to our lives.

Do you get it?

We represent the status quo; the generally accepted view of things. You represent a fringe belief.

It's up to you to convince others of your beliefs, not up to them to convince you that you're wrong.

So far, you're failing miserably.

And asking people to defend something which doesn't need defended just doesn't help your cause either.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Mitaken.

You mean mistaken?

The independent urefuted accounts from the citgo witnesses prove this.

You mean unrefuted?

Pedantic? Pedantic.

By the way, Lyte Trip, do you have Mike J. Wilson's permission to use those screen-caps in your OP?

http://www.mikejwilson.com/911/index.htm

 

[Alt+F4]

It will carry on with the confirmed knowledge that Gravy and his fellow jref colleagues refuse to be "bothered" with such things as backing up their claims with evidence.

Thanks for clarifying your position. Now that I know how you feel I'll wait to see if Gravy and the rest of the members here choose to follow suit.

The lies and distortions in your video have nothing to do with who posts what on this forum. You seem to think that you can achieve some sort of victory here so that someone might possibly order your stupid DVD. It won't work. If Gravy never posts here again that won't change the fact that your opinions regard 9/11 are garbage.

 

[uk_dave]

I suspect that Gravy has Lyte on ignore and doesn't even know this thread exists.

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Lyte,

Let's say two people sincerely believe that by painting their bottoms purple and chanting "I'mnotapheasantpluckerI'mapheasantpluckersmate" ten times they can make the moon turn orange.

Now, let's say those two people want to convince 500 million people of this.

If they succeed it would be quite an acheivement, right?

But let's say that the 500 million people don't buy this belief, because basically the two people haven't managed to make it happen without the copious use of psychotropic drugs.

Do you think those 500million people care one way or the other whether or not the purple bottomed ones will finally accept that they can't make the moon turn orange?

ETA: Oh and, where's the researchers edition?

 

[T.A.M.]

Lyte, you just don't get it.

YOU have to convince US, not the other way around.

If you could convince us of the 'truth' of your beliefs, our lives would change. But if you fail to convince us, your life will change.

If we do or don't change your beliefs it makes not one jot of difference to our lives.

Do you get it?

We represent the status quo; the generally accepted view of things. You represent a fringe belief.

It's up to you to convince others of your beliefs, not up to them to convince you that you're wrong.

So far, you're failing miserably.

And asking people to defend something which doesn't need defended just doesn't help your cause either.

He doesn't have to convince us, he just hopelessly tries. The people he has to convince are the authorities, a prosecuter, and a judge, which he will never do.

TAM

 

[T.A.M.]

I suspect that Gravy has Lyte on ignore and doesn't even know this thread exists.

Possibly, but I am guessing Gravy either (A) doesn't feel Lyte is worth a response and/or (B) Is tired of doing the work for the CTists, and hence refuses to look up and then produce the evidence Lyte wants.

TAM

 

[Jonnyclueless]

The issue here is that Lyte knows Gravey can't or won't put in the resources to travel and locate the witnesses and interview them. Of course this is because Gravey doesn't need to. It's not their testimony alone that means anything, it's the combination of that and the rest of the physical evidence. So Lyte is trying to exploit this fact.

It's the divide and conquer technique. They know that when all the evidence is added up it shows they are wrong. So if they can focus on one piece at a time they can poke holes in it. Just as their claims are always based on a single piece o evidence. In this case it's 3 people who think the plane flew on the north side. Then dismissing al other evidence.

Likewise they are dismissing all evidence and trying to focus on only the witnesses who claims the poles were hit an making conjecture that they may be mistaken and counting on Gravey not wanting to go interview and find them.

I just want to call Lyte's bluff and remind everyone what his hand really is no matter how much of a show he tries to put on. I also wanted to point out the hypocrisy in the thread as most of Lytes claims are not even based on any evidence or eyewitness testimony.

 

[Rahne Everson]

Why is it that Lyte Trip runs away for months at a time, only to come back and make absurd statements, demand that people do what he says, and then refuse to answer any questions at all about his silly theory?

This seems to me to be the kind of delusion that does not go unnoticed by the individual: Lyte Trip has got to know he's a fraud.

Nah, he doesn't run away, he just goes to MySpace and complains with Merc there.

 

[uk_dave]

It's the divide and conquer technique.

But it's not about Gravy. All he has done (though I don't demean it in any way) is collect together the readily available testimony and actually make it digestible to the masses. Mark shows a commitment to assisting the knowledge of others far exceeding what dept. Shill101 of the NWO pays him. Personally I think he gets some kind of sexual pleasure from it, but can't say more since Big Owls directive forbidding sexual pleasure after that unfortunate incident involving a certain debunker and the purple sheep.

But if you are suggesting that if Lyte can wrong foot Gravy and then we'll all fall into line with the 'truthers' then you're very much mistaken. Now, if qarnos was to become a 'truther' I might pay attention, if only because I always read that name as 'garnos'.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I can't believe you people are actually dignifying the nutter with responses.

I'd like to point out that my posts in this thread have been 100% dignity-free.

Having said that, I am zipping up all of Lyte Trip's posts and am forwarding them to the Department of Homeland Security for suspicion of disloyalty to PRESIDENT RICHARD CHENEY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA