[Moderated]Gravy's witness "summary" does not reflect reality.

[Lyte Trip]

Respectfully,
Myriad

Sarcasm is not "respectful".

I expect better from you Myriad.

The main problem with your logic is that you are assuming the mainstream published accounts are 100% complete and 100% accurate while at the same time dismissing the fact that they only represent a portion of the total witness pool.

Plus you accept them out of hand without a shred of evidence to confirm or deny their accounts or verify the accuracy with how they were reported.

This is not remotely scientific or objective.

You should be ashamed of yourself and your colleagues for pushing such dodgy claims.

 

[Pardalis]

This is not remotely scientific or objective.

You should be ashamed of yourself and your colleagues for pushing such dodgy claims.

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[ConspiRaider]

Recipe for five-alarm chili:

1. Set clock for 7 a.m. and hit the snooze button 5 times.

2. Get up.

3. Proceed to kitchen cabinet, secure one 15 oz. can of chili (with beans).

4. Open can, ensuring access to chili contents within.

5. Spoon aforementioned chili into mouth. Enjoy.

For a real treat, place opened can of chili on stove. Heat until piping hot. Chip off petrified chili beans from stove on following day. Enjoy.

 

[Lyte Trip]

You cannot possibly be insinuating that people called 911 to report a flyover, the tapes were confiscated and the people who reported a flyover then shrugged and said "oh well, who cares"? Because that would be a an unbelievably foolish thing to think, wouldn't it?

Yes it would and no I am not.

What would they have done after that Wildcat?

Follow your logic.

Some would have been perplexed but dismissed what they saw in those 2 seconds of chaos as an anomaly while others would have dug deeper or tried to report it again.

If they tried to report it again they would have been blown off as "kooks" or pointed to the 2nd plane cover story.

If they dug deeper they would have discovered the 2nd plane cover story and dismissed the claims on their own.

Just like Kelly Knowles allegedly did:

Kelly Knowles:
-...she saw a second plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* a hijacked jet plunged into the five-sided military fortress...some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "Thank God somebody else saw that. There was most definitely a second plane, " Knowles said. "It's so frustrating because nobody knows about the second plane, or if they do they're hiding it for some reason." Pentagon official said late Friday no other plane was flying with the jetliner. But he said it was possible a military plane was in the area at the time of the attack. (that would sure fool a lot of people who saw a jet fly away)

 

[WildCat]

By the way, how's the new bathroom holding up? No leaks? Are you already taking it for granted?

No leaks, and the toilet is nearly uncloggable! Had to replace the ballast in the fan light, they sent it to me free since it was under warranty. I had a problem with the magnetic latch in the vanity mirror, I called the manufacturer to see if they would send me a new latch and they insisted on sending me a new medicine cabinet! meanwhile, I went to Lowes and found a latch there out of its package, missing a part. But what was there was the part I needed, Lowes gave it to me for free and the mirror door works fine now. But in the meantime the new medicine cabinet came, I have no place for it so I'll probably sell it. So if anyone is looking for this medicine cabinet I'm taking bids!

 

[Mince]

How many of the witnesses that he refers to has he contacted to confirm their accounts and how many has he even bothered to analyze in detail or to plot their actual location/point of view?

How many of the witnesses that he refers to have you contacted to confirm (or deny) their accounts?

I will agree that there are way MORE than 105 that saw the plane but only a fraction of that even claim that they literally "saw" the impact and even less than that possibly could have.

A fraction? What, 1/1, 104/105, 50/105? Since you know, what is the exact fraction and how did you determine it?

 

[Lyte Trip]

So the question is.......


Is Kelly Knowles a genuine witness?

If so doesn't she prove that a plane DID in fact fly over the Pentagon?

If she proves this fact than WHY oh WHY wasn't it more widely reported and WHY did NONE of the genuine witnesses CIT has interviewed see this mysterious 2nd plane?

 

[WildCat]

Some would have been perplexed but dismissed what they saw in those 2 seconds of chaos as an anomaly while others would have dug deeper or tried to report it again.

Nonsense. They would think a giant honking plane flying inches over the roof of the Pentagon was an "anomaly"? And no one would mistake a turboprop C130 for a passenger jet. You're grasping at straws.

 

[Mince]

So how come he claims he didn't see the light poles get hit and how come not a single witness in the entire investigative body of evidence mentions the alleged smoke trail?

How come not a single witness in the entire investigative body of evidence (wtf is that anyway?) mentions a pull-up/fly-over?

 

[ConspiRaider]

No leaks, and the toilet is nearly uncloggable! Had to replace the ballast in the fan light, they sent it to me free since it was under warranty. I had a problem with the magnetic latch in the vanity mirror, I called the manufacturer to see if they would send me a new latch and they insisted on sending me a new medicine cabinet! meanwhile, I went to Lowes and found a latch there out of its package, missing a part. But what was there was the part I needed, Lowes gave it to me for free and the mirror door works fine now. But in the meantime the new medicine cabinet came, I have no place for it so I'll probably sell it. So if anyone is looking for this medicine cabinet I'm taking bids!

Very very cool, Cat. I'm sure you'll be able to move that medicine cabinet, that is a classy wall fixture. Someday when I get bigger and mayhap can buy my first house, I'm gonna get something that classy. Mahogany finish? Excellent, dude!

 

[LashL]

But in the meantime the new medicine cabinet came, I have no place for it so I'll probably sell it. So if anyone is looking for this medicine cabinet I'm taking bids!

Nice looking unit there, WildCat, but as you know, that whole mirror thing doesn't work for us as members of the NWO, so it's a bit superfluous. Nice cover, though. Very well done, indeed!

 

[Mince]

Awww, look at them. They give themselves cute and self-important titles like Citizen's Investigative Team. Of course, the title has no significance outside of Lyte Trip's mind. Look, just because you write crap on a blog does not make you a reporter or a writer. Likewise, just because you record four people on a video camera does not mean you're an investigative genius. Quite the contrary in your case.

 

[Lyte Trip]

How many of the witnesses that he refers to have you contacted to confirm (or deny) their accounts?




A fraction? What, 1/1, 104/105, 50/105? Since you know, what is the exact fraction and how did you determine it?

We have attempted to contact well over 50%.

We have been successful contacting about a third.

Not all have agreed to let us publish their accounts so all in all we will publicly present to the world about 10%.

Is that significant enough to be considered "research"?

Will you ask this same question of Gravy before accepting his blog like it's Eucharist?

 

[Mince]

Will you ask this same question of Gravy before accepting his blog like it's Eucharist?

Of course, where have I indicated otherwise?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Of course, where have I indicated otherwise?

Excellent!

Then cheers to you.

Please make this request publicly and directly so Gravy will personally make the choice whether or not to respond to his colleague.

 

[Lyte Trip]

I love using words like "cheers" and "dodgy" for the benefit of the UK posters in this forum.

Did I ever mention how Lloyd England's "bonnet" remained undamaged despite his claim that a over 30 foot long 200lb light pole clipped by a 757 speared his windshield?

 

[A W Smith]

Not all have agreed to let us publish their accounts so all in all we will publicly present to the world about 10%.

Is that significant enough to be considered "research"?

Wonder why they did not let you publish their accounts? Perhaps because of the way Lier's like you Craig treat witnesses like Lloyd England? The disrespect you show witnesses who don't fit your fantasy and would hurt your pet project DVD sales?

face it We are satisfied by the preponderance of physical evidence and testimony that no plane flew over the pentagon. It never happened. Even the vast majority of other CT fantasist's no longer put any faith in your lies. You call what you do research? you should be ashamed of yourself. Cherry picking foggy memories to support a CT theory is not research. is it fantasist propaganda. We know the difference. I believe Gravy has you on ignore by the way.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Wonder why they did not let you publish their accounts? Perhaps because of the way Lier's like you Craig treat witnesses like Lloyd England? The disrespect you show witnesses who don't fit your fantasy and would hurt your pet project DVD sales?

Perhaps you should learn how to spell the word "liar" before making such a spurious claim.

If you haven't realized it 9/11 is a very emotional and politically charged event.

If you think it's strange or notable that many contacted witnesses (plenty of which are current government employees) would prefer to not get involved with the debate (ESPECIALLY if they have questions about the official story) then you are simply not thinking logically.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

This thread has gotten far too silly. Very silly indeed.

now let's see something decent and military. Like precision drilling!

 

[Lyte Trip]

I believe Gravy has you on ignore by the way.

Of course he does!

Although I have NEVER directly addressed him or challenged him in the past.

He simply doesn't want to be held accountable for the lies he posts in his blogs so if he has me on "ignore" it's a deliberate attempt to avoid the imminent possibility of me directly calling out his pathetic misrepresentation of the facts.

Research and accountability are not a part of his vocabulary.

He much prefers to revel in the hero worship he gets from people like you.