How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[yankee451]

Hello, Yankee. Welcome to my ignore list. Enjoy your stay.

Oh, did I write "yadda yadda"? I meant to write, "I am in awe of your credentials."

 

[SUSpilot]

Oh, did I write "yadda yadda"? I meant to write, "I am in awe of your credentials."

As well you should be.

 

[yankee451]

As well you should be.

Get over yourselves.

 

[JohnG]

Yadda, yadda.

What did the school of hard knocks teach you about the "Dunning-Kruger effect"?

 

[Mudcat]

What did the school of hard knocks teach you about the "Dunning-Kruger effect"?

Nothing, but I think those 'hard knocks' taught them plenty about Dementia pugilistica.

 

[beachnut]

FAA and News Crews added to the list of Bad Guys in the JASSM Fantasy

Yadda, yadda.

Wow, you do watch TEEVEE. And you use the same thing you learned from Seinfeld to solve 911. good job - fantasy


Ironically...
You can't answer any questions on your fantasy?
Where did these missiles come from? How far away? Did the US Air Force fire them? Who gave the order? Did the FAA/NORAD know both planes were fake? How would the FAA/NORAD gain from the cover up? Were the missiles made to look like aircraft? Wouldn't people notice missiles hitting the towers? The news crews in helicopters recognize the difference between missiles and aircraft. Why weren't missiles fired at WTC 7?

FAA and NORAD were busy with multiple wargames.

News crews in helicopters? How many of their videos have you seen? The media were the ones who broadcast a jet doing the impossible, the military are the ones who launched the missiles, and the police are the ones who planted the evidence. Why would you rely on any information from anyone in a position of authority?

Add another thousand FAA controllers to your list of liars. Wow. Add all the news crews on 911. Wow. lol

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2004/pdf/af/2004JASSM.pdf
3 out 5 failures, in 2003 and 2004, missile not in the inventory, still in test. No missiles were missing - you have to prove missiles not in the inventory were missing, in a system with less than 53 percent capability to work... They did not work right. You have to prove how they were launched; you will not. lol

You blame who?

Israel/USA, what's the difference.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061300039&postcount=42

No fantasy complete without blaming Israel.

What do you do to prevent being brainwashed?

Step one: turn off the TV. Keep it off.

Step two: stop voting. They're laughing at you; stop giving them your blessing.
Step three: make as little taxable income as possible. They need your labor to pay for their crimes. Stop participating.
Step four: talk about it. Write about it; inform your neighbors who haven't figured out Step one yet.

Don't make money? I wish I was paying LOTS of Taxes on TONS of money; please let me break Step three? Please...

 

[fess]

If you can show documentation that the missiles weren't in existence at the time, please sing out, until then I've only heard complaints.

If I were to be targetting the missiles I would have chosen a different location further away from the trees, but I don't know their mindset so I don't know why the crater was placed there, only that it appears to have been caused by two JASSM missiles striking in crossfire at trajectories of about ten degrees from horizontal. If I am incorrect on my guess, the engineering model will sort it out but until that time I have yet to see anyone offer any serious rebuttal. The trees would either be an issue for the missiles or they wouldn't be.

I have speculated they misfired one and set the trees on fire. I didn't state it as fact, I was simply demonstrating how an airburst detonation could account for the scorched trees. Perhaps it was deliberately detonated in the trees to make it look more like a jet crash, explaining why the crater was placed so close to the trees. All I know is the crater fits the bill for missiles in crossfire and until I prove or disprove that with an engineering model, speculating on their decision making process is premature.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Topped-Trees.png[/qimg]

No one that I know of has claimed the missiles were not in existence in 2001, but several have told you that they were not in service at that time. They were still in the test phase of their development program. So please stop with your senseless accusations.

Just who the **** are “they”? And how did “they” pull this operation off? How did 3 F-16’s fly all the way to Shanksville without ever being tracked by radar? How is it that not one individual witnessed the firing of these missiles. Speaking of which, how did “they” obtain three of these missiles that weren’t even in the inventory outside of the test facilities.

How did this impossible missile shot that you speak of take place? A 10 deg. AOA is well outside of the operational parameters for this type of missile. This is something you already know because you Googled this to answer one of my questions.

The whole premise behind this thread is based on nothing but speculations and assumptions made by you and you alone. You have shown no credible proof to back up these speculations and assumptions. Unless of course, you expect us to take your photos of meteoric strikes as evidence.

But please don’t let facts get in your way.

 

[fess]

I have speculated they misfired one and set the trees on fire. I didn't state it as fact, I was simply demonstrating how an airburst detonation could account for the scorched trees. Perhaps it was deliberately detonated in the trees to make it look more like a jet crash, explaining why the crater was placed so close to the trees. All I know is the crater fits the bill for missiles in crossfire and until I prove or disprove that with an engineering model, speculating on their decision making process is premature.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Topped-Trees.png[/qimg]

There you go again with your “crossfire” missile strike. This is a maneuver that I have never seen in any tactical operations manual. Maybe you can point out where I missed this information.

 

[LSSBB]

No one that I know of has claimed the missiles were not in existence in 2001, but several have told you that they were not in service at that time. They were still in the test phase of their development program. So please stop with your senseless accusations.

Just who the **** are “they”? And how did “they” pull this operation off? How did 3 F-16’s fly all the way to Shanksville without ever being tracked by radar? How is it that not one individual witnessed the firing of these missiles. Speaking of which, how did “they” obtain three of these missiles that weren’t even in the inventory outside of the test facilities.

How did this impossible missile shot that you speak of take place? A 10 deg. AOA is well outside of the operational parameters for this type of missile. This is something you already know because you Googled this to answer one of my questions.

The whole premise behind this thread is based on nothing but speculations and assumptions made by you and you alone. You have shown no credible proof to back up these speculations and assumptions. Unless of course, you expect us to take your photos of meteoric strikes as evidence.

But please don’t let facts get in your way.

Here is the wonderful platform he believes "they" were betting "they" would be able to crash with absolute precision into the ground in 2001.

 

[yankee451]

There you go again with your “crossfire” missile strike. This is a maneuver that I have never seen in any tactical operations manual. Maybe you can point out where I missed this information.

If I am mistaken, now's your chance to make your case. Are you sticking with "it can't be true because it's not in the manual?"

 

[fess]

If I am mistaken, now's your chance to make your case. Are you sticking with "it can't be true because it's not in the manual?"

Well, I’m not the only military pilot on this forum, so I’ll let you ask the others if they ever flew this maneuver, much less ever seen it in a Tactical Manual.

 

[332nd]

If I am mistaken, now's your chance to make your case. Are you sticking with "it can't be true because it's not in the manual?"

Well we know that the missile can't make a 90 degree turn so it didn't come down the road. At what angle would your missile have to dive if it came over the trees?

 

[yankee451]

Here is the wonderful platform he believes "they" were betting "they" would be able to crash with absolute precision into the ground in 2001.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=824&pictureid=7391[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=824&pictureid=7392[/qimg]

If they had a covert program, do you suppose they'd publish the figures of those tests? If it was to be used for something like this, would the figures they released to the public be considered accurate? The missiles were in existence, they fit the eye witness account of a small white plane "no wider than my van", they carry explosives that can account for the size of the center crater, and even their fuselage and wing debris would look like jet parts to an untrained eye.

The only thing missing is to calculate the impact to verify the 12x60 inch dense metal penetrating warheads can account for the gashes, and at what trajectory. The next piece is to make a model predicting the behavior of a 757 on impact. I'm surprised you haven't already done that.

Since I am not an engineer, I need to hire-out for such things, but nothing's stopping you guys from doing the same in support of your positions right now, is there?

 

[yankee451]

Well, I’m not the only military pilot on this forum, so I’ll let you ask the others if they ever flew this maneuver, much less ever seen it in a Tactical Manual.

If it's not in the manual does that mean it can't be done?

 

[yankee451]

Well we know that the missile can't make a 90 degree turn so it didn't come down the road. At what angle would your missile have to dive if it came over the trees?

I don't know, I'll leave that to the engineer.

 

[LSSBB]

Well we know that the missile can't make a 90 degree turn so it didn't come down the road. At what angle would your missile have to dive if it came over the trees?

To quote Seinfeld, "That's one magic lugie"

 

[LSSBB]

If they had a covert program, do you suppose they'd publish the figures of those tests? If it was to be used for something like this, would the figures they released to the public be considered accurate? The missiles were in existence, they fit the eye witness account of a small white plane "no wider than my van", they carry explosives that can account for the size of the center crater, and even their fuselage and wing debris would look like jet parts to an untrained eye.

The only thing missing is to calculate the impact to verify the 12x60 inch dense metal penetrating warheads can account for the gashes, and at what trajectory. The next piece is to make a model predicting the behavior of a 757 on impact. I'm surprised you haven't already done that.

Since I am not an engineer, I need to hire-out for such things, but nothing's stopping you guys from doing the same in support of your positions right now, is there?

You got any proof the AF keeps a perfect set of missiles and only shows the GAO the bad ones?

 

[yankee451]

To quote Seinfeld, "That's one magic lugie"

That's nothing.

You should hear the one about the 757 that disappeared into the ground all the way over here, but damaged trees all the way over there.

That's a magic lung-oyster.

 

[yankee451]

You got any proof the AF keeps a perfect set of missiles and only shows the GAO the bad ones?

I have proof the missiles existed and according to the existing records, even early testing proved they were pretty damn good and DO have the capabilities of creating the gash in Shanksville.

 

[AdMan]

I have proof the missiles existed and according to the existing records, even early testing proved they were pretty damn good and DO have the capabilities of creating the gash in Shanksville.

You have no proof that missiles could have created the gash.